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I'm omw home from work. Computer time. I'll be in thread in about an hour or so.
JJB didn't claim vigi. The lol reactions are disheartening.
Prpl claimed vt.
Trfel, Tube, RSo, Bresh have all been here. The only person left to CC me is Bourne.
Inb4 Bourne CCs me as scum.
This also means at least 2 or all 3 scum have seen my claim and not CCd. Why would scum wait until the very last person entered thread to CC? And with Bourne, no less, a player constantly under suspicion.
I'm the vigi and they're scared of CCing me because of the risk. They'd rather kill me tonight, if we make it that far.
K I'm out
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FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS
##Unvote
Until I see who and when a CC comes in for you, I can't in good conscience vote you. Even though you claiming defeats the point of having a vet now.
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On April 16 2015 12:23 Trfel wrote:
Furthermore, if we have a real veteran, they should counterclaim Breshke.
I would say more, but this is a newbie game. Thus it's not appropriate.
However, perhaps next newbie game, we should make sure that everyone gets coaches?
I've played 3-4'games here, I think. This is 4th or 5th. I hold n illusions, I am definitely still a newb.
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On April 16 2015 12:11 jarjarbinks wrote:
ok so vigi killed stutters... lol
no im not vigi have you read my filter? lol
i'm super behind, church things after work lol
Strange reaction. Did you bread crumb something in your filter? If you did, and you're Vet, now's the time.
If not, I'm not really sure how your filter is supposed to tell us you're NOT Vig.
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Trfel, you've been flip floppy a lot today. You offered no lynch, then back tracked. Your eon reaction seemed a little fake. You let off some anger then rescinded it.
Now you're back to no lynch. Could this be because you know who the blues are now?
What is your current read on me? My recent actions. My vig claim. I need you to stop posting flip flops and find scum/start poe.
HTS defended you when I called you out on your vote to hammer Dwarf mislynch over prpl. This could explain HTS nk. If she's dead, she never revisits Trfel. If Breshke is in fact vet, then that's 3 town on Prpl. Stutters, hts, breshke. The other is jjb, who I'm not convinced is town but this is partially due to bias from our last game together.
RSo, I'd actually like to see your current thoughts on JJB.
This, coupled with the fact that Trfel hammered Dwarf, shows me Prpl is scum. Whether it was Breshke panicking and setting up to bus Prl, or Trfel hammering to save scummate Prpl, the conclusion is still that Prpl is scum in this world.
I think I'm voting Prpl, provided Bresh isn't cc'd.
Note: I'm on the subway typing this post. No phone service. The last post when I started was Breshke's unvote post. Anything after that, I haven't seen or read yet so I apologize if the timing of this post seems awkward.
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I see Bresh mentioned the vote thing, too.
I think Bourne and Prpl could be scum together. Considering how hard he was pushing Prpl, it's interesting that he'd lead the Dwarf mislynch over his top scumread. I think he explained this somewhere but I'll have to reread him to remember his excuse. They both scum each other but I haven't seen either forcefully push their reads or make other reads, either.
Bourne is the only one who can CC me, as everyone has already claimed or posted after my claim.
Only Bourne, jjb and "VT" prpl can counter claim Bresh. Unless JJB claims, I think Bresh could be right here. Prpl claimed vt and Bourne can't cc both of us. I know I'm vig and I'm positive I'd believe a bresh vet claim over a bourne claim, especially since Breshke had that early set up talk I was suspicious of. It makes sense the way he explained it.
I also can't remember what Prpls stance was on d1. I'll get to that when I get home. Sorry, guys, replacing at eod means my memory on d1 is fuzzy at best.
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On April 16 2015 13:09 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 13:03 The Shining wrote:
Trfel, you've been flip floppy a lot today. You offered no lynch, then back tracked. Your eon reaction seemed a little fake. You let off some anger then rescinded it.
Now you're back to no lynch. Could this be because you know who the blues are now?
What is your current read on me? My recent actions. My vig claim. I need you to stop posting flip flops and find scum/start poe.
HTS defended you when I called you out on your vote to hammer Dwarf mislynch over prpl. This could explain HTS nk. If she's dead, she never revisits Trfel. If Breshke is in fact vet, then that's 3 town on Prpl. Stutters, hts, breshke. The other is jjb, who I'm not convinced is town but this is partially due to bias from our last game together.
RSo, I'd actually like to see your current thoughts on JJB.
This, coupled with the fact that Trfel hammered Dwarf, shows me Prpl is scum. Whether it was Breshke panicking and setting up to bus Prl, or Trfel hammering to save scummate Prpl, the conclusion is still that Prpl is scum in this world.
I think I'm voting Prpl, provided Bresh isn't cc'd.
Note: I'm on the subway typing this post. No phone service. The last post when I started was Breshke's unvote post. Anything after that, I haven't seen or read yet so I apologize if the timing of this post seems awkward. Did you notice the other person who immediately noticed that Half the Sky was vigi shot?
Do you mean the fact that Trfels reaction that I called fake had already assumed Stutters was vigi shot?
And was that you trying to get me to slip? I shot Stutters, not HTS.
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On April 16 2015 13:41 rsoultin wrote:
geez truffle -_-
isn't it just easier to say only a vig with a peanut for a brain would vig hts?
I almost did tbh. My first ever game here she was GF and it scarred me Lmao. But she was too town for me to think she was doing it again.
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I still think lynching Prpl gives us our best shot at nailing scum and salvaging this game.. He's got a vote on one of, if not the, largest filters in the game and has been mia since. Plus I feel guilty about killing Stutters. Maybe he was actually onto something here. I didn't get any sort of good feeling over Prp's refusal to really interact with me n2 either.
If majority goes no lynch, we go no lynch. But if we're lynching, I'm pushing Prpl.
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I think I can buy Trfels defense of his eon reaction, at least for now. Bresh also assumed Stutters was my shot, as did RSo, and I knew it was my shot. It's wifom at best to argue Trf couldn't know which was NKd. But this doesn't mean I think Trfel is town. The flip flopping doesn't feel right, even though I towned him before.
Hence why I'd push Prpl. Votes don't lie. Every scenario I come up with leads to Prpl scum. Him flipping scum also gives us the most information.
Especially since he's apparently one of Trfels strongest town reads.
Or we no lynch, I die tonight(1 less Prpl lynch supporter) & town has one less confirmed town to go with. This could be Trfels scum motivation for a no lynch, if he is scum. We gain no new info but one less confirmed town.
I'm not completely sold on Bresh either but without a cc, I have to believe for now.
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On April 16 2015 14:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote:
I still think lynching Prpl gives us our best shot at nailing scum and salvaging this game.. He's got a vote on one of, if not the, largest filters in the game and has been mia since. Plus I feel guilty about killing Stutters. Maybe he was actually onto something here. I didn't get any sort of good feeling over Prp's refusal to really interact with me n2 either.
If majority goes no lynch, we go no lynch. But if we're lynching, I'm pushing Prpl. -_- he's been falling off steadily, it's true, but really i don't see how if scum wants to divide the votes they go with me, unless breshke is town and they were banking on bresh following suit which i'm just going to assume bresh is town for now for obv reasons
That's a viable scenario, given the vet claim.
Also thanks for that jjb list post. I remember being confused about it but I forgot about it.
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On April 16 2015 14:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote:
I still think lynching Prpl gives us our best shot at nailing scum and salvaging this game.. He's got a vote on one of, if not the, largest filters in the game and has been mia since. Plus I feel guilty about killing Stutters. Maybe he was actually onto something here. I didn't get any sort of good feeling over Prp's refusal to really interact with me n2 either.
If majority goes no lynch, we go no lynch. But if we're lynching, I'm pushing Prpl. -_- he's been falling off steadily, it's true, but really i don't see how if scum wants to divide the votes they go with me, unless breshke is town and they were banking on bresh following suit which i'm just going to assume bresh is town for now for obv reasons
Also there's 8 of us. 3 scum. Breshke was scumming you pretty hard before, and had us on a scum team together.
You don't think if Breshke would've been willing to vote you abd leave
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Ebwop: stupid fucking phone. Last question should be:
You don't think if Breshke voted you with Prpl, the other 2 scum wouldn't join in and make sure you got to 4 first? Then it becomes a vote race. A shitty one, as the counter wagon would've likely been me.
Looks like an attempt for scum to win.
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On April 16 2015 14:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 14:06 The Shining wrote:
I think I can buy Trfels defense of his eon reaction, at least for now. Bresh also assumed Stutters was my shot, as did RSo, and I knew it was my shot. It's wifom at best to argue Trf couldn't know which was NKd. But this doesn't mean I think Trfel is town. The flip flopping doesn't feel right, even though I towned him before.
Hence why I'd push Prpl. Votes don't lie. Every scenario I come up with leads to Prpl scum. Him flipping scum also gives us the most information.
Especially since he's apparently one of Trfels strongest town reads.
Or we no lynch, I die tonight(1 less Prpl lynch supporter) & town has one less confirmed town to go with. This could be Trfels scum motivation for a no lynch, if he is scum. We gain no new info but one less confirmed town.
I'm not completely sold on Bresh either but without a cc, I have to believe for now. Why don't votes lie? Votes don't suggest anything. I don't see a reason to be sure that we've ever seriously had scum up for lynch. Sure, prplhz narrowly avoided being lynched, and town died instead. But how does that say anything, other than some of us were wrong? And I already said that if prplhz continues to play in this fashion, I can't continue to townread him. I need to take a detailed look at his meta. I'm not going to make any careful reads until the later part of the day. I have a paper to write, I'm busy. I'll keep up with the thread and share thoughts, but I won't seriously push anything until I'm confident (which I can't do without an extremely detailed analysis).
Call it confidence. Think back to my last game with you. Or read any one of my town games. If there's one thing I've ever done right in mafia, it's vote analysis. And I pride myself on it.
It's how I caught JJB and forced him to NK me that game.
It's how I called out Celestial and Scott in my first game, even though we lost.
Are you seriously telling me of all people that votes are not a key tool to scum hunting?
And that's my point, Trfel. It doesn't say anything until he flips scum. When he does, it puts your hammer on Dwarf in a different light. And it sheds light on all his interactions with the players that are still alive.
Remember that Stutters already cased Prpl, too. And HTS was vocally against Prpl. There are plenty of reasons to scum Prpl, not just vote analysis.
I guess I'll see you next time. Really looking forward to your re analysis on Prpl.
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JJB, So basically that's just a list post of promises you're expected to fill and you're here saying you barely started?
I don't think I can objectively read JJB right now. Maybe after I smoke and unwind from work. I'm starting to see similarities in that last scum game to this one.
RSo, do you think last time he scummed(the team was him and Silver, 9 player game) you were NKd N1 because you could effectively meta both of them? With a vet on the scum team this time around(See: Prpl), and seeing your slow play D1, I think it's still possible the vets would kill HF and HTS for being universally townread before you, even if JJB was pulling for your NK. JJB himself said this isn't MVP RSo.
I'm not effectively scumming JJB yet but I had to field this question. Although it still doesn't make too much sense to me for JJB to AFK EoD while voting a scummate.
And Prpl is willing to lynch into JJB, apparently.
Also yay, Prpl made an appearance. So if Bourne CCs anyone other than Breshke, he is lying. Even if he does CC Bresh, I'd still be inclined to think he's lying.
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On April 16 2015 15:05 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 14:58 The Shining wrote:
JJB, So basically that's just a list post of promises you're expected to fill and you're here saying you barely started?
I don't think I can objectively read JJB right now. Maybe after I smoke and unwind from work. I'm starting to see similarities in that last scum game to this one.
RSo, do you think last time he scummed(the team was him and Silver, 9 player game) you were NKd N1 because you could effectively meta both of them? With a vet on the scum team this time around(See: Prpl), and seeing your slow play D1, I think it's still possible the vets would kill HF and HTS for being universally townread before you, even if JJB was pulling for your NK. JJB himself said this isn't MVP RSo.
I'm not effectively scumming JJB yet but I had to field this question. Although it still doesn't make too much sense to me for JJB to AFK EoD while voting a scummate.
And Prpl is willing to lynch into JJB, apparently.
Also yay, Prpl made an appearance. So if Bourne CCs anyone other than Breshke, he is lying. Even if he does CC Bresh, I'd still be inclined to think he's lying. yes that's what I said look at the list again and see what's left Shining, do you have access to our scum QT? I talked to her about it. All those decisions weren't about her.
I don't. I don't think I ever asked to see it. I kind of disappeared from TL for a bit after seeing the ending to that game. XD
Nah, I'm not a fan of lists when it comes to you. You're an enigma to me and your lists, percentages, most of what you do seem to only get me lost. XD Half of why I keep signing up for games you're in is it's a constant learning process for me.
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Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?
RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.
So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.
In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.
Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.
Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote.
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Btw, I have no reason to think RSo is scum. I know my alignment and I know I'm vig. I even hinted at it and RSo picked up on it when basically no one else did. Would scum really save me(she voted me before she moved to Dwarf) after softing blue 9 mins before EoD?
She could've kept her mouth shut and watch town lynch blue. RSo is not scum.
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EBWOP: Unless she was maybe trying to pocket me but look at my play up to D2 EoD. There's really no reason to keep me around, as I had no influence, was a possible lynch and didn't even really start picking up my game until my claim today.
It would be a huge risk to keep me alive after softing blue if she's scum. If I'm vig, I shoot and there's no way of knowing if I hit scum or not. If I'm vet, lynching me is much better than wasting a shot on me at night.
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EBWOP EBWOP: There's no reason to keep me around to pocket me and defend her, as I had no influence, was a possible lynch and didn't even really start picking up my game until my claim today, which she had no way of knowing would happen.
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