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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:01 GMT
#1542
ironically, as i type the above, sicklucker actually looks ok
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:09 GMT
#1548
On March 20 2015 06:03 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 06:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:54 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:50 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:45 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:42 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:39 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 20 2015 05:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Eden chill out bro no need to be extremely mad already this early o.o

Yes there is, no matter what game I join there's always stupid fucking idiots that scumread me for no reason and ignore my awesome reads


"awesome reads"

None of which you seem willing to give. Because I can't imagine you would classify the very loose shitty reads you gave early on as awesome.

You're still on SickLucker. The reasons you gave early were trash, so I'd like to hear you reiterate your case. Or even better give out some other reads With decent reasoning to back them up.

why reiterate anything when you obviously haven't read in the first place?

if you read my filter my reads are right fucking there in a convenient list for everyone


I have read your filter. The reasoning on sick lucker is poor. There aren't any other great scum reads. A lot of strong town reads thrown out though.

Plus, there's been a ton of pages since you've given out any new reads. Has nobody else stuck out in your eyes, so much so that you're going to tunnel that really really bad SL read from the start? Do you really see no scum?

Can you really offer nothing? Are you going to just throw a tantrum and whine and cry until this passes?

ya keep antagonizing me when i'm already obviously super-pissed, that's going to make me give answers


You don't seem like you're going to offer any new information, no matter how much I press you for it. I'll ask again, feel free to ignore it if you can't come up with an answer:

Has nobody else stuck out in your eyes, so much so that you're going to tunnel that really really bad SL read from the start? Do you really see no scum?

i'll offer it up when i have it and when i feel like giving it to you

i'm not sure what part of I HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET hasn't gotten through yet, but I HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET, so the answer is no, I don't have other reads yet.

artanis made a good point about ls delurking, and i had an issue with the way ls mentioned slam in his intro before. but it's not good enough to do anything with yet i think
the in-fighting between artie, toad and ve doesn't interest me one bit and i haven't read it since i've been in-thread. i get vague mafia vibes from artanis (despite his point) but again it's not enough to do with.

there's STILL literally nothing wrong with my read on sl. i stand by it and if you think it's bad then you're bad. simple as that

i think i stand by my townreads without further reading. definitely stand by my rso read. probs stand by my ff read, although his big case on ls was a little weird to me cuz i'm not used to him making big cases. unless superbia or damdred dropped off the planet since last night they're still ok in my book.

i might have updates whenever i get around to rereading but quite frankly i'm hella pissed off at the game of mafia rn, like "debated posting my role pm" level pissed off, so you're gonna have to quit whining about my not catching up and deal with it for now, cuz i'm not in the mood to catch up right now


Actually I've found your responses and reaction to pressure to be most revealing, and quite frankly a bit childish. Keep in mind this is a game, and threatening to reveal your role PM is bad sportsmanship and pathetic.

not this game, the other one
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:10 GMT
#1550
good to know that all you can do when i actually have something to say is police my behavior instead of saying anything of substance though
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:13 GMT
#1554
so yeah exo clearly just asking things to ask them. i will begrudgingly not try to get him lynched for it.

i looked at holyflare's filter for 5s and if he's mafia idk what to do. he had the same bad vibe i did about artanis posting just to be present. i could see ray being mafia but it is entirely oot reasoning and bad and i am trying my best not to engage in it
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:15 GMT
#1556
so hf can move from heebie-jeebies to town.

sl i feel better about.

i should prolly just lynch artanis for my bad vibes about him

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Artanis[Xp]


artanis what have you done this game that shows me you're really trying to solve things instead of just making surface-level observations about things that are happening while you're in the thread? i feel like your filter has a lot of the latter and not much of the former
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:15 GMT
#1557
On March 20 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
Free townread for rayn for making sense and pointing out im telling the truth when all people want is to point out my"lies"

this is not a good reason to townread ray imo
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:20 GMT
#1560
On March 20 2015 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote:
so hf can move from heebie-jeebies to town.

sl i feel better about.

i should prolly just lynch artanis for my bad vibes about him

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Artanis[Xp]


artanis what have you done this game that shows me you're really trying to solve things instead of just making surface-level observations about things that are happening while you're in the thread? i feel like your filter has a lot of the latter and not much of the former

Why are you expecting something of me that I never do as town? I make good observations. I don't "solve things". I rarely find mafia and am rarely certain on suspects.

okay, what are some good observations you've made this game, and what have you done with them?

i can think of a couple of the former, but to the latter there's never an answer
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:20 GMT
#1562
On March 20 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay since no one is really asking me questions atm I finding it odd that sicklucker is giving a free townread to rayn when you shouldn't give free townreads do you guys finding that odd?

no

it's not the best thing sicklucker could be doing but it's not odd for him
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:21 GMT
#1564
On March 20 2015 06:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yes I personally think LS's play this game deviates from his normal town play

starting to agree
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:25 GMT
#1571
nah i'll pass artanis

i'm gonna go do something else for a while and then hit the reset button on this game (except on my rsoultin read)
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:25 GMT
#1572
On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
People should leave Eden alone so much town so wow

Not all of us have perfect information, bro

ok and my fecalfeast townread. that one survives the reset
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 21:28 GMT
#1577
On March 20 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 20 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
People should leave Eden alone so much town so wow

Not all of us have perfect information, bro


Nope it's the anger over small things that make him town.

no.

last post before break.

do not enable this. i am not happy that i get mad like this. do not reward this ever. friends don't let friends rage
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 23:12 GMT
#1666
In hitting the reset button I've decided not to keep a single read I made all game. Instead I'm reading from the start and just making note of things that matter to me.

Like this:
On March 19 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
:/

so i have a confession to make

>>

<<

i was enjoying the song on the first page -bebops-

and have never watched this movie

-gaspmurmurgaspshemustbescumomgmurmur-

rsoultin is town.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2015 23:40 GMT
#1683
I'm through p21. Only exception is that I read ahead in Toad's filter to process some of the Toad/Palmar argument.

Town: rsoultin, Alakaslam, Toadesstern, Damdred
Null: All others who've posted

rsoultin is town.

Alakaslam sounded pretty earnest in his argument with Holyflare. "He's a little too serious too early" doesn't really resonate with me especially when Slam repeatedly insists he intends to break that tell for him this game. In particular his posts on p18-19 about "finding difficult scum" and "fallacy clean" caught my attention.

Toadesstern fell into the trap I fell into with Hammertime, which is to take Palmar seriously early in the game. His reaction is exactly like mine was a couple of times in that game. And he immediately questioned Artanis pretty pointedly on something when he saw it, really looked like he was reading and trying.

Damdred said everything I was thinking when I was rereading things. Reads Slam as town in particular and highlights the specific posts I had in my notes. Town.

Artie seemed a little more townish than the rest for his question to Slam about scumreading HF for using correct meta. It's not something he can't do as mafia though.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:03 GMT
#1695
On March 20 2015 08:46 Breshke wrote:
Eden I need your opinion on the slam/HF argument thing. It felt like everyone was kind of staying away from it at the time like not interfering. There was people in the thread talking about other things but no one really got super involved with HF and slam. Whereas when someone calls out SL a bunch of people jump onto it.

This lead me to the conclusion that Slam and HF are both town and mafia was going to just let that fight continue. But it could also just be a thing where early on peple don't want to interfere in stuff so they can get reads on people.

I'm on pg 44 and catching up fast i slept for like 12 hours so feel elss shit should be around more today

I kinda go the other way, a lot of people agreed with HF pretty fast about Slam being too serious. I don't know just from that whether Holyflare is town but I do think Alakaslam's behavior during it was pretty townie.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:18 GMT
#1708
On March 20 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
On March 20 2015 08:47 Trfel wrote:
Eden and Breshke, let's talk about stuff that happened 40 pages ago together! XD


I actually have a question for you.

So you were talking with toad about his palmar scum read and you were basically along the lines of you don't really see it as palmar being scummy.

I'd actually agree with toad that it is. So palmar reads toad as scum for reasons and cbf's explaining them so jsut spams kill toad. Toad gets lynched and is town. I know that you trefel are very self conscious when you are wrong even if your case is really good and you try to change things so you don't make the same mistakes.

Why then do you think that palmar isn't doing that and seemingly ignores past mistakes. Obviously you arn't the same person but would you not think that it would cross palmars mind that oh I read toad as scum for doing this and he was town. Toad is doing these things again maybe this isn't a reason to call him scum.
I don't think that the argument between Palmar and Toadesstern says much about Palmar's alignment, but I do think it suggests that Toadesstern is town. As for it not making Palmar scum, Palmar's played really lazily for many games lately (Linux, Down Under 2, etc). Palmar also really likes to use tonereads. I can understand Palmar seeing Toadesstern's opening, and remembering it being different from the heavily formatted, fancy, and pristine opening that he used in Hammertime Mafia, and saying that Toadesstern is scum for it. I wouldn't actually expect Palmar to check Toadesstern's other games here (which clearly show that Toadesstern's opening post isn't alignment indicative). And if Palmar only knows Toadesstern's play in Hammertime Mafia and this game, his scumread of Toadesstern wasn't that horrible of a play (I would still disagree, but not that horrible).

I guess the difference is probably that I have different expectations for Palmar than you and Toadesstern do.

A+

Have a townread
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:38 GMT
#1715
On March 20 2015 09:27 Breshke wrote:
Also eden were you aware that the miller role was yondu?

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 13:13 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 19 2015 13:08 rsoultin wrote:
On March 19 2015 13:05 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 19 2015 13:03 rsoultin wrote:
On March 19 2015 13:01 Eden1892 wrote:
good lord i'm at 5pg filter already

i'm not talking for the rest of the night

+ Show Spoiler +
except in spoilers to rsoultin
+ Show Spoiler +
this will probably still blow up my filter...
+ Show Spoiler +
oh well


+ Show Spoiler +
lol you realize we're going to make reading our filters a bitch to the rest of the players this way, right? xP that said, I'm comfortable giving you a day 1 town pass at this point congrats

+ Show Spoiler +
my filters are always a bitch to the rest of the players
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! mafia is super fucked now that we 100% on the same page
what movie did you go see?


+ Show Spoiler +
Was watching Guardians so references don't go over my head lol xP they prolly still will i think i've already forgotten half the movie o.0

+ Show Spoiler +
ohhh, duh. lol. ya it seems pretty silly but i haven't actually watched it. i just wikipedia'd some references so i could make a funny miller fakeclaim. could be a fun movie to watch tho i guess
soooo i kinda think slam is town now. thoughts?


I don't understand why you say you wikipedia'd references when you most likely just read it from the OP

I had to look up the Ravagers reference
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:48 GMT
#1719
I'm thru p30 now but I started remembering some of my reads from before the reset so I'm doubtful this is going to mean much else. Once you start remembering the reads you had confirmation bias makes it hard to get a clear view.

+ Show Spoiler [Note Dump] +

rsoultin town

Two early arguments that I really don't care to read but I'm dragging myself through anyway:
- Holyflare/Alakaslam
- Palmar/Toadesstern

HF/Slam I quickly got bored of. I tended to agree with HF that it was weird that Slam reacted as defensively as he did and was skeptical of HF's obvious joke, but I'm not sure it really means anything. As I read further though, Slam seems pretty earnest with his "finding difficult scum" and "fallacy clean" posts on p18-19. Slam might lean town for that.

Toad/Palmar didn't really seem like it went anywhere. Toad seemed pretty townie/trying early, I got where he was coming from with Palmar (although I think he came to pretty much the exactly wrong conclusion; I did the same thing with Palmar in Hammertime lol) and he immediately started questioning Artanis pretty pointedly about something. Toad is probably town. Palmar idk yet.

Damdred pointed out the "finding difficult scum" post almost immediately so that's good news. Damdred can be a little townie for that. (LOL I even found my own previous post noting he should be town for that. Guess he's in town pile.)

Artanis asked a good question to Slam about why Slam scumreads HF for using accurate meta.

===P21 BREAK===

sicklucker might be mafia but it's not for what I initially said. I am agreeing now that the "slip"/"lie" thing isn't very strong. But sicklucker seems like a bit of an ass early, calling rsoultin annoying more than once and saying things like "I dont acualy know what your shitty read is." The thing is that sicklucker doesn't say rude things like that until he gets confident in his picture of the game state. You'll notice it in Imperial if you bother to read there (I don't blame you if you don't). When he's town he started off not being very confident in things and questioning people, gradually starting to get comfortable with his picture of the game as he got more information. THAT's when you started seeing the cockiness come out. C.f. when he's mafia he's usually cocky almost all the time. I feel like it's fake cockiness when he's mafia because he tries to mirror his town behavior.

Also shoutout to myself for calling it out immediately even though I didn't realize why I was calling it out at the time. #wow #tier1instinct #putthatboiontharank

Lol I missed ray voting Slam with no explanation. Legit thought it was someone else who was already posting. ray why did you vote Slam?

ExO_... ExO_ is town. Ugh. Moving on.


I'm also gonna add the reads I remember to the list.

Current reads:
rsoultin
Damdred, ExO_

Toadesstern, Alakaslam, Trfel, Superbia, Fecalfeast

Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, Palmar
raynpelikoneet, Vivax, LightningStrike, Onegu, Breshke, VisceraEyes
sicklucker

Guide:
Green, bold, underlined - confirmed town.
Green, bold - confident town. Would not lynch today.
Green - Had reasons to think they might be town more than null. Not confident in it yet. Still would likely not lynch today.
Bold - Have been saying things but I have them null. If they're still here when I catch up they're probably mafia, just judging by the list of people in there.
Normal - Haven't said things I can remember in the parts I've reread. Will keep an eye out for them as I continue.
Red - Had reasons to think they might be mafia more than null. Not confident in it. Wouldn't mind lynching today.
Red, bold - confident mafia. Trying to lynch today.
Red, bold, underlined - confirmed mafia.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:49 GMT
#1720
herp I forgot Bill Murray. Add that boy to the green list
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 00:51 GMT
#1723
Filter dove Breshke. His read on sicklucker is pretty cool and I might be able to buy it, but his activity level is low and he hasn't been digging otherwise. He probably goes in the red pile for now.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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