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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 26 2015 13:59 GMT
#6941
Alright I gotta go grind for like 8 hours should give me an hour to read and vote when I get back
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:00 GMT
#6942
On March 26 2015 22:58 Damdred wrote:
I had a bit to drink last night was great hehe...

Anyway trying to remember the point I had, I believe bh balanced his game around the fact the vig had to survive a night and another day to be able to shoot. I'm not sure but 25 person game had two extra pr than we do so I actually still like what we have

also super you tried to bus me while I was hitting you with a fleet of busses


Dude I bus hard as scum, I'm not trying to argue that. It's the fact that he's pussyfooting around meta-reading me that's annoying me.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:00 GMT
#6943
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched.

Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:01 GMT
#6944
On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.


Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:02 GMT
#6945
On March 26 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.


Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy.

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:03 GMT
#6946
On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched.

Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.


The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:04 GMT
#6947
On March 26 2015 23:03 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched.

Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.


The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta.

Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#6948
I don't even know what you'll find, I'm just presuming it'll be the case since I rolled town.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#6949
On March 26 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.


Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy.

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true.


It was already true. My delivery is irrelevant.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#6950
On March 26 2015 23:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.


Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy.

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true.


It was already true. My delivery is irrelevant.

Strange how my role pm was very specific in that it was town then.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#6951
On March 26 2015 23:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:03 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched.

Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.


The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta.

Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense.


Link me to these four games.
Minimal effort.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 26 2015 14:06 GMT
#6952
Do you scumread me for my flip on vivax superbia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:06 GMT
#6953
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:07 GMT
#6954
On March 26 2015 23:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:03 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.


The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta.

Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense.


Link me to these four games.

I was using your logic with this being the fourth game. All my games are linked in my profile.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:07 GMT
#6955
On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic


This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:08 GMT
#6956
On March 26 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic


This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it.

It's really not. You're claiming because I'm aware of it it means it still makes me mafia when if it's true that I do it as town (and I'm quite sure it is) it can only be null at worst.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:09 GMT
#6957
On March 26 2015 23:06 Damdred wrote:
Do you scumread me for my flip on vivax superbia


Just checked your filter rq and you were already on board with Vivax being possible vig before EoD1. Completely different.
Minimal effort.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 26 2015 14:09 GMT
#6958
meh, so I'll change my vote from Onegu to either superbia, slam or FF.

FF and superbia seem to be the only viable options right now?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 14:10 GMT
#6959
On March 26 2015 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic


This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it.

It's really not. You're claiming because I'm aware of it it means it still makes me mafia when if it's true that I do it as town (and I'm quite sure it is) it can only be null at worst.


No, I'm saying that because your argument is "I normally do that as town" or "I normally do y instead of x as mafia" the argument is by definition WIFOM.
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 26 2015 14:13 GMT
#6960
Theres still onegu. Like for all we know his master plan was to have rayn claim mason with him but he raged instead. Im not sure I can bring him to lylo
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