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On March 26 2015 13:12 Damdred wrote:
Putting this here so I don't forget, both vigilantees in fanfic weren't able to shoot night one. So that's something to think about also...
Toad shot?
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On March 26 2015 13:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do you think the hosting in imperial was so good? Slam, FF, Liancourt(mvp) hosting a 500 page game.
Those are the 3 people I would least trust to water my plants on tl mafia lulz
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On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.
I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.
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On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them.
Good rebuttal.
On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games?
Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE.
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On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.
Good argumentation.
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On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE.
Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels.
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On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. Good argumentation.
I have already given my argumentation.
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On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels.
Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can.
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. Good argumentation. I have already given my argumentation.
And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.
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On March 26 2015 22:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:19 Alakaslam wrote:On March 26 2015 10:17 Breshke wrote:On March 26 2015 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:On March 26 2015 10:12 Breshke wrote:On March 26 2015 09:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is Vivax claim assumed to be true? Why is a blue heavy setup assumed? This is what i was reffering to. As Rso did not jail exo we can not 100% confirm that there was a role blocker. Which if she had we very most likely could have. From someone who hasn't ead much of the game slam i think it would be useful fo you to decide weather or not the scum team has a RB. It is obviously very likely that they do. Idc if this is all wifom but what was the RB doing N1 if he was not role-blocking vivax. Also damdred i said the LS thing before the BM lynch. I honestly can not remember why i didn't come back to it during N1 it might have been because rso convinced me otherwise or because talk was mainly domianted about the vig claims and what not. This would have been the only time for me to bring it up again because trefel came out early with a tracker claim. Also if you are going to use the fact that palmar basically ignored me this game as a part of a reason to scumread me what is your read on FF because can the same not be said about him. I think I have been mainly passed over by a lot of people this game not for a fault in them but because ive been uninteresting and have done nothing. This was apart of the original reason i townread you damdred because you were the first person to bring me up for legitimate reasons and not just pass me over. Vivax could BE the rb. Come on, srs Okay. So do you think he RB'd toad? or just randomly used the RB to hunt for other PR's? Holy fuck how stupid do you think I am? Toad shot went through. He wasn't blocked. Wow. Anyone could have been rb if rb isn't notified, but since it is Vivax would have to be scum with scum withholding rb. Although anyone else rb last night, EH? Rstoulin might have been rbed last night because mafia took out both are roles and didnt try to medic dodge. Infact she had to have been .
what he was saying:
"what if Vivax didn't get roleblocked n1 because Toad shot VE.
Meanwhile they used their real RB (Vivax) on someone else and Vivax just fakeclaimed the whole thing and they actually roleblocked someone entirely different n1, a blueread they had"
Possible in theory, but highly unlikely with Vivax activity
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can.
I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit.
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I love how the two people im most afraid of losing too again are fighting at least I cant lose to both of you
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On March 26 2015 22:54 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can. I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit.
Pretty sure Ritoky was your main scum candidate all game long until you rolled over and died.
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Like mafia usualy uses rbs on who they kill incase there a vet. (except if they know who a role is) If vivax is fake they should rb you tho toad
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Im 100% positive I called you and ritoky out for bussing each other day1 in imperial
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You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.
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On March 26 2015 22:40 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:34 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 21:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 20:58 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2015 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like Eden's list. I kinda wanna lynch Superbia first and hope he's scum just to force Vivax to shut up, though he'd probably find some theory in which it's a bus. Lol I find it hilarious how much I annoy you. Why don't you help me lynching Slam? Asking to use the orb on him can be said for any other guy who's in the crossfire and won't get lynched today, which is why Damdred's argument was weird. I'm starting to suspect you're suspecting me just to annoy me at this point. I'm okay with a Slamfish lynch too but I think I can actually make a good case on Superbia. I went through the first bit of his filter on the toilet and it looks pretty scummy. So, Artanis, the rest of the time where you've been scumreading me was without having checked out my filter? I haven't been scumreading you besides on PoE. So what have you been doing this game? How are you so active yet you have not been analyzing the alignment of people deemed scummy?
There are people who just trust their PoE more than their scumreads. I'm another one of those guys.
I've not actually done that much scumhunting besides my case on Palmar/Artanis/Vivax d1 and mini-cases on a couple guys here and there because I'm a lot more confident in my ability to figure out town and go on from there. Artanis already said it's the same for him.
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. Good argumentation. I have already given my argumentation. And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.
I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.
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I had a bit to drink last night was great hehe...
Anyway trying to remember the point I had, I believe bh balanced his game around the fact the vig had to survive a night and another day to be able to shoot. I'm not sure but 25 person game had two extra pr than we do so I actually still like what we have
also super you tried to bus me while I was hitting you with a fleet of busses
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