EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 34
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:29 Superbia wrote: Artanis. uh why lol | ||
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Eden1892
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i think imma fail your challenge trfel but im still tryin | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:43 Toadesstern wrote: So I'm basicly still where I was a couple hours ago. Ritoky is certainly an option for today simply based on rayn even if he does look better than rayn, but that's not really that much of an accomplishment. There's straight up no reason to not lynch Alakaslam. Superbia I'm very wary but Eden apparently likes him for some reason... so maybe not today. Slam it is? lol what I don't like Superbia at all, I just decided he might respond better to me posing my questions in a slightly less aggressive manner so I toned it down | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:44 Damdred wrote: Also btw I don't think scum oneg goes crazy on rso for saving him instead of hf. I think scum oneg would ride and die with that cred instead of calling RS out Good observation And hey Superbia? Why aren't you doing anything about raytoky? You literally just got through saying you had a "soft different check" on them based on that analysis but then you tell me you want to lynch Artanis and you're not seeming like you're doing anything about raytoky. I feel like if you had actually believed in that check you would be digging into it, why aren't you? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:45 Trfel wrote: Ok Eden. I'll try one more time. Read it again and imagine you're mafia. like me specifically mafia or as a generic mafioso reading | ||
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Eden1892
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but once you started posting for real idt it would be worth to try to push you too hard and i'd probably just glide with the emerging townreads on you and move to something else i also don't think i would be reading that carefully even if i tried hard lol i'm not really getting to what you're looking for, am i | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote: Eden. Here's one more question, don't answer me, but last try. What does rsoultin say her best quality (as scum) is? I don't think I've ever talked about this with her  I feel really dumb for missing the boat this bad. What's on your mind Trfel? | ||
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Eden1892
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But even if that's right I'm still not sure where I'm supposed to be going here. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:57 Onegu wrote: I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here? ... | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote: All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: So he whiffed on LS. Okay... On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Explain with quotes please, I'll go look for them on my own and we can compare notes. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. Yeah, typically when someone cc's vig in a game where the flavor implies that power roles are unique, your read tends to change in a hurry. [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:We are left with this list: [QUOTE]On March 21 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Votes as I see them: Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet Eden1892 (1): ExO Not Voting (1): Trfel Only having 1.7 scumread is problematic. Was hoping this'd help more.[/QUOTE] With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: [QUOTE]On March 21 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Superbia might possibly be right. Host WIFOM time. I know HtS likes her vigis because she hates lurkers. It's therefore very likely there's at least 1 vigi in the setup. Since the playercount wasn't fixed until the end, I find it plausible that the end balance was made by adding an additional vigi. I'm not sure if I find that more plausible than that Vivax simply tried to fakeclaim and failed though. Toad definitely town for the CC, I just don't ever see mafia making that play when it isn't necessary.[/QUOTE] But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum.[/quote] Like here in the quote you're talking about, literally everything you're talking about is explained. He considers Toad almost certainly town because he doesn't think mafia ever makes that play. He says that it's possible there could be 2 vigs but he considers it less likely than Vivax fakeclaiming and whiffing. What is there to be explained? [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet.[/QUOTE] How was he setting himself up to look good if he called a presumed vig 100% mafia and voted him the whole way? BTW what's ritoky's alignment in your opinion right now? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote: All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: So he whiffed on LS. Okay... On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Explain with quotes please, I'll go look for them on my own and we can compare notes. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. Yeah, typically when someone cc's vig in a game where the flavor implies that power roles are unique, your read tends to change in a hurry. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:We are left with this list: With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum. Like here in the quote you're talking about, literally everything you're talking about is explained. He considers Toad almost certainly town because he doesn't think mafia ever makes that play. He says that it's possible there could be 2 vigs but he considers it less likely than Vivax fakeclaiming and whiffing. What is there to be explained? On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet. How was he setting himself up to look good if he called a presumed vig 100% mafia and voted him the whole way? BTW what's ritoky's alignment in your opinion right now? | ||
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Eden1892
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So why do you believe all that? Your entire basis for your ritoky AND Onegu reads is the idea that mafia rb'd and shot Vivax. What is the basis for that idea? | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:23 Superbia wrote: Eden, would you agree that your read on me d1 based on the damdred/rayn thing has affected your read of me throughout the entire game? No, considering I had you in my town pile between then and my more recent scumreading. What are you trying to say here? | ||
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Eden1892
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Artanis, why did you change your mind on Vivax? | ||
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Eden1892
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Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... | ||
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Eden1892
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But I gotta admit that Superbia might be getting somewhere with this Artanis thing. Gonna need to see how Arty responds. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 25 2015 13:32 Trfel wrote: Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT... What do you think about the game's power role balance? 2 vigilantes 1 jailkeeper 1 cop Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game? Thanks! With scum rb and framer? I'd buy it | ||
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Eden1892
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Let's see. People I never lynch: Eden Trfel Toad Vivax sicklucker The rest: Onegu Damdred Artanis Fecalfeast Breshke Superbia ritoky Alakaslam 10 to 3, no more extra KP, should be 3 MLs and 3 mafia. I just need 2 people to escape that list and I can POE the game. Cool! I'd evacuate Damdred, Onegu and Breshke. I think I can make pretty good town cases on all of them. That leaves five kills and as long as we hit mafia at any point before running out of MLs, we have the opportunity to reconsider the two-vigs theory if we haven't won by the time we lynch the rest of the list. And that's a pretty conservative list to me. The never kills are me, the two vigs for whom there is strong evidence to suggest both are true, and the two people who straight up killed scum with the orb. Damdred and Breshke are my top evacuations because both of them are putting forth pretty insightful analysis that's far more reminiscent of their town games. I'm not saying it's out of bounds of their scum games per se but they'd both have to have stepped up significantly. Onegu I just don't think is mafia fakeclaiming mason - Vivax made the point that it really makes no sense for mafia to shoot Holyflare if they want to pimp the Onegu-is-mason theory, since they know Holyflare is making up the mason thing and thus shooting him and flipping him spoils the whole thing. That already leaves me with five people, and of them it's hard for me to believe that Superbia and Artanis are on a team. If we assume Artanis is mafia, then Superbia's case is hella good. Do we really think the mafia sacs the one player that infiltrated the town circle to prop up a guy who was afk while town started trying to solve the game? Didn't think so. So there's at least 2 mafia outside of this duo. Of the rest, I can see townie cases for Fecalfeast and for ritoky. I think ritoky is more likely to flip scum but I figure I can sort that out later. These guys don't have to be opposite-aligned, but unless both of them are mafia... Slam is mafia. So honestly my question for today is "Am I in a world where Fecalfeast and ritoky are both mafia?" If not then we 100% lynch Slam. If so then we 100% lynch them. Meanwhile I will leave Superbia and Artanis to their duel. | ||
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