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On March 21 2015 10:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:44 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? ... 1. He pointed out why. 2. He scumreads Toad. 3. He scumreads Toad. Some for you: Do you think HF is fakeclaiming being masoned with ONegu? Where have you been around deadline? Are your only possible scummers these three guys cause BM got lynched and over the course of the game you never found anyone else to suspect? I don't think HF is fakeclaiming being Masoned with Onegu because HF normally doesn't fake claim a role as Town. I was at the airport picking up with my Dad at deadline and was taking him out to eat dinner. Those 3 were the biggest ones I thought of after checking out EoD stuff. There could others I just need to check voting patterns on that.
On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game).
On March 21 2015 10:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:
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dude ls most people don't claim VT that's not a normal thing >< not the way you and onegu do anyway At least I only claim it under pressure unlike Onegu :O
On March 21 2015 12:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
people keep saying onegu and hf but i'm not 100% where that comes from? Onegu said Holyflare was his Partner.
This just reads to believable and to sincere to me.
Art what do you think? I know LS is scum hre and I need to go check his other games but this just seems like he believes the claim 100%. I'm not sure if mafia LS reacts in this way to mafia Oneg claiming mason?
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Also while its not 100% reliable obviously, Oneg HATES bussing d1. From previous games I've played with him the thought of mafia bussing slam d1 for instance he could not comprehend because he doesn't think mafia would want to lose a team mate d1.
I'm not so sure that scum!oneg would jump on the LS wagon and hope it doesn't take off, before the vig claims LS or Rayn were the top candidates really. (before I pushed vivax that is)
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@FF can you take me through the process of pushing LS and why you just disappeared and stopped all pressure on him especially during the night phase?
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Also FF this is what I consider to be your best town game I've seen you play, titanic was also a close second to this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Fecalfeast&view=all
You are also very well balanced in both taking a measured view of the thread and always tried to be around for deadline and helped get votes moving or shenanigans.
Firstly why were you missing around EoD n1? Secondly why are you so overtly aggressive this game in comparison to your town game, in slytern and partially in titanic even when you scum read people you weren't super aggressive about it you pressured but it was very balanced.
Here its just total pressure with no balance, if you read slytern the tone just seems so different to me.
Need someone else to read it as well as I might be confirm biasing myself currently
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On April 02 2015 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:From LS filter: DamdredShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 20 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
People should leave Eden alone so much town so wow Not all of us have perfect information, bro Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not about Damdred. LS mentions damdred more than a few times. Most times it is with a defensive tone. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote:
Damdred might actually be mafia. Okay why you think Damdred is Mafia? Just curious that's all. Also I moving FF now to Town even though he got alignment wrong this game again so it not surprising for to have him case me :O This post, ignoring the part where he totally TMI's my alignment, is weird to me. He asks palmar his scumbuddy about why he's scumreading damdred but he asks it in thread. Makes me lean a little on the side of damdred being scum as I read this as "Why are you going after a teammate?" but I could be wrong. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Was watching History of Trunks Abridged by Teamfourstar + Show Spoiler +Best Abridged movie ever! and there wasn't much posted. Artanis what's your case on Damdred being Mafia? Damdred what of Artanis calling you Mafia? Asking artanis about damdred and basically telling damdred to defend himself Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:02 Damdred wrote:
You guys don't know how to read LS, if hes scum here it not because of those posts.
I'm here for the next hour roughly going to start filter diving and doing some things if anyone has any questions ask me before I get to it. What your thoughts on Artanis and VE's argument right now? Damdred says ls isn't scum, or at least says we had bad reasons to call him scum, which is a point against. LS then asks damdred about artanis and VE. LS acts like damdred is an ally all game and it makes me think damdred is scum. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax LS sheeps damdred's wall of text onto vivax with a reason that is proven false later on. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 23:17 sicklucker wrote:On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax Im prettty sure vivax was town in carol. like pretty pretty sure Shit I forgot how the colors were in that game my bad. Ya he was town there. This also makes me think Vivax is town for the same reason I think ritoky is likely town now. also + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? LS basically makes it clear that the wagons d1 were all town (toad/vivax/BM) Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 00:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Rsoultin what is your thoughts on Damdred's case? Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:Damdred please don't be depressed bro  Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi Holyflare any thoughts on Damdred's case on Vivax?
RitokyShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. I think this makes ritky town. LS wouldn't bus, I will sigbet anyone who thinks LS would call his mafia partner scum here.
oneguShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Also lol Onegu at least didn't RNG yourself or I would be pissed given our history together lol.......... EBWOP: By pissed I mean I know your town because of your Mason claim with Holyflare being your partner but you shouldn't RNG your sheep though incase you know you RNG yourself  This post sounds like LS genuinely believed that onegu and HF were masons. HF died and there was apparently a kp missing afterward. This makes me think I'm wrong on onegu. Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game). This post makes me think that the scum QT was discussing the blue claims and balance as though all the claimers are town. Although this still doesn't excuse onegu fully as it would be a really dope mafia play to make onegu seem town.
Conclusion
Damdred
ritoky
vivax
onegu
BONUS FecalFeastShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol.... LS spends A LOT of posts reiterating the idea that I was wrong about his alignment. Then when asked why he townreads me even though I'm calling him mafia: Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:08 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol.... Why don't you think ff wouldn't do it as mafia? Because FF never cased someone when he was Mafia as far I know O_o That is a bullshit answer since my only real scum game is a newbie game and my second game ever. He's got a tmi read on me and when it's challenged he gives a bullshit answer. That's all I'm saying.
Also explain how you got from this to where you are now
Also I noticed you said you were going to read my filter and report but I really don't see anything in depth?
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Short break then hopefully more people are here to talk
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Rayn threw away his bussing meta with XXX, and bussed the hell out of LS. It is not that far out that he could potentially bus you when nobody was going to vote you.
Palmar you do have a point on. I still need to check his push out etc.,
Also everyone bus'd the hell out of LS, and Rayn/Palmar at points so this team has been really bussy.
Glad to see your a bit defensive when I haven't even really focused on you or trfel this night
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and palmar did bus rayn some this gam as well so that points kind of moot just from a general over view and was pushing on LS before he fell back on that.
And left you alone before your CC and palmar got back on you then hammered bm *shrug*
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I'm not making any chaos at all I've talked about FF and Oneg exclusively, with an offhand comment followed by a laugh and back to talking about Oneg and FF.
Your right we won't lynch into Artanis/Sicklurker ever. There are to many blues in this game with the orb even being a neutral factor.
I can just go back to afking I really don't care, I am putting in work trying to make sure we win and you are shitting all over me for no reason.
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Oh yea then tell me this magical reason for shitting on me here when I have been putting in work talking about FF and Oneg so much.
Go ahead, explain it why you are a colossal dick
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I dont' want to lynch into you art sl trfel today at all. If theres two mafia in that group we are going to lose no matter what, if SL shot Palmar or exo shot palmar and didn't claim it we are screwed and i'm ok with that. If its you and trfel we are screwed and I don't believe it either way.
But I find it highly unlikely currently that the final two lynches are both mafia in FF and Oneg. I highly suspect that FF is scum in this case over Oneg and its my duty to continue to press things even if people feel its been covered enough. As such just indulge me if you are town.
Explain to me Toad why you are alive and why Trfel is alive. I find it harder that trfel is alive though just fyi.
Also take me through yoru thoughts toad about hwo you were voting on Ritoky with me nearing EoD when we were lynching Breshke I believe and you came back made everyone move and then nothing came of it.
I know I've talked balance a lot and I keep going back and forth because I really do feel like town has effectively to many self confirming roles at this point in the game.
Two vigilantes aren't possible, two somewhat nerf'd vigilantes are possible. I kept going back and forth inside myself thinking about this, and I kept looking at Fanfiction which had two vigilantes but they were nerf'd. They had to wait till night two before they could shoot which meant they couldn't claim and they had to live through 2 days, it was offset with they didn't lose there shot when RB.
Here we have two Vigilantes who are also somewhat nerf'd, they can shoot n1 but they totally lose there shot if they are rb. And I think that's th nerf that makes it possible. They have to remain hidden and make the shot count.
I think I mostly don't trust we have a JK and a Vet in the same game when town has the potential to have another RB/Tracker/KP/Cop in the orb. It just seems way to town favored.
I mean if both Vigilantees are real and hit scum and the scum team gets RB by RS or target saved and hit the vet or orb does something weird scum team is completely dead
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I don't understand why i'm mafia exactly?
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On April 05 2015 01:12 Trfel wrote:Here's a prediction of what will happen. Toadesstern will die tonight. We lynch Fecalfeast tomorrow, he flips mafia. Then, Artanis dies. That leaves at 4 player MYLO, with: Trfel sicklucker Onegu Damdred
The scum is probably Damdred. But, Damdred and Onegu are both scumreading me. If town doesn't vote together, they lose. So this is actually a fairly realistic way that town could lose this game, by mislynching me at 4p MYLO. This is why I am not going to be night killed, and why I wasn't killed last night. It's a good plan for mafia. Alternatively, of course, they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu. This way, mafia has two potential mislynch options instead of just one (which is what it should be, as sicklucker, Toadesstern, Artanis, and I are all town).
Look at my play outside of my veteran claim, even outside of my orb usage (though both suggest that I am town). Here is why I am still town. - My play this game is beyond my capabilities as mafia (I know, you can't really verify this, but I'm a miserable liar and am terrible at mafia
- Through the first several days, I was consistent and productive, and worked with others to solve the game
- Raynpelikoneet attacked me for a long period of time
- I was always suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and never was comfortable with his tracker claim, which I wouldn't do as mafia
I'm not mafia here. And I refuse to be mislynched. If town chooses to lynch me on the basis of "too many blues" instead of paying attention to all of the other reasons that make me town, then I don't know what to say.
Your post infers btw, that both oneg and myself are town
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LIke you just said i'm scum, but at the same time you call me and oneg mislynch...
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On March 25 2015 13:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not sure yet that he's a better lynch than other people in my pile.
Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT... What do you think about the game's power role balance? 2 vigilantes 1 jailkeeper 1 cop Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game? Thanks!
Trfel what is the point of this question at that point in the game? If you are blue like you claim you have already said that you believe the two vigilante claims I believe, RS is obvious JK and Exo is the cop.
So why even ask this if you are blue here?
On March 25 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, can I get answers to these questions? Links to previous posts are fine. But I'd like fairly concise explanations.
Why is Alakaslam scum?
Why is Onegu town?
Why is ritoky town? (given how he crushed town as scum in Down Under 2)
On March 27 2015 00:53 Trfel wrote:
I need to head out now. I'll check in when I can, but I might not be back until a couple of hours before the deadline. I'm sorry about that. But my reads aren't the best, and I'm not terribly familiar with this game, so it's probably better that I'm not the person leading town anyway.
Want to lynch:
Onegu
ritoky
Could lynch:
Fecalfeast
Superbia
Artanis (meh)
Alakaslam
Breshke (though I haven't read his filter at all)
On March 27 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I would rather lynch Onegu or ritoky. But it doesn't appear that I have that option.
Might as well make it look like town is united so that scum is scared.
On March 27 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:This could work for me, at least. Ritoky has looked really towny, though I wouldn't expect otherwise, regardless of his alignment. But last time this happened to me (scummy player into towny replacement) I didn't pay attention to the replacement's play, and I paid for it.
You have a lot of weird things in your filter after Ritoky replaces in I've grabbed a few out just to ask what your thought process is and i'll elaborate a bit what I noticed in your filter.
1) Every time you mention lynching ritoky you always pair him with another name and as time progresses you always seem to favor the other person above Ritoky and getting them lynched. You also show a amount of respect and fear for rits scum game but you barely interact with him here and you call him towny but then put him back in the scum list with someone else but always vote someone else evn when the push to lynch rit is quite real I feel.
2) You keep going back and forth on Oneg like you know hes one of the last possible mislynches in place. You at one point say hes scum for these reasons then say nope nvm don't hold water and then you have him as town and then as sure scum again. Whats going on with your read on Oneg, and now you have him as town and a possible mislynch, I don't understand nor do I see your train of thought.
I honestly think your scum, because of how you treat Ritoky and the frantic way your reads are changing without explanation really.
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ITS FECAL FEAST AND TRFEL.
GAME OVER
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I could see that toad, but I am heavily town reading Art, SL and i'm town reading Oneg. So to me it either has to be you, Trfel with FF. And i'm inclined to go with the person whos reads and interactions look worse to me
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On April 05 2015 01:56 Toadesstern wrote:
anyways I read it as "they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu [whatever happens to be town out of those two while the other one is mafia]" + asserting that you're more likely to be mafia
But at the same time if trfel is so sure that i'm scum as the very next post suggests and the start of the post suggests you normally wouldn't say. mislynch Damdred/Onegu you would say or they go for a mislynch in Onegu.
I know its semantics, but the phrasing is really strange to me
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I hope you respond to everything I posted I really think you are wrong on trfel art and his filter actually looks really bad especially with the thought that ritoky is mafia and he never realy pushes him just mentions him and pushes oneg then backs off etc.,
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I wish sl and oneg would talk though meh
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