EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+)
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On March 10 2015 07:31 ritoky wrote: we got married only a couple weeks ago, I have like 1 more month of non-procreation sex left in my life is my estimate. Probably 2 weeks is closer to it. Besides birthday sex or valentines sex obviously | ||
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And we have found out that many people are potential town! As such this is a time for celebration | ||
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But I have two light town reads...No wait three! | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:57 ritoky wrote: what do you think about palmar's engagement forever #sickstrats? Its ok, longe engagements end up like marriage when they wise up though | ||
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oneg jat and rit are null slam and rayn are scummy to me | ||
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Anyway i'm not exactly sure what you would want from me in a list post that I intentionally made devoid of any reason besides a list of people. I wanted people Marv especially since he asked me about it to confront me about it and to see the responses that I could get and analyze in thread. If i'm not mistaken rayn was the first person to hit it up in that regard and eden second and then Marv said I was lackluster. That's interesting to me but will save that for later when I have a bit more information to go with. (Especially with marv seemingly not paying much attention to it after he asked me directly about it Naughty marv). In that regard Eden you made a post I can't quote now in your early filter that I really liked and made it seem like you were thinking about RS alignment and I could clearly see you paying attention and trying so I thought that you looked pretty towny. I also have Ritoky as null but my gut is telling me that he should be up into the town section but I just want him to do more things. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:08 marvellosity wrote: I shouldn't have to squeeze blood out of a stone, Damdred. If you're posting like shit to get a reaction, you're doing it wrong. Shhh, I town read you baby don't worry. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:11 marvellosity wrote: it's not your read on me I'm worried about darling. If your worried about me just shit posting all day every day have no fears, i'm done because actual things are going on in the thread <3. Though I still might end up sheeping today | ||
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On February 24 2015 02:57 LightningStrike wrote: So Slam did you check prplhz because of my case on him or you thought he was a good check? Like explain to me this point Rayn because you are just seem so crazy right here? | ||
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I'm just not seeing what you are rayn treat me like i'm an idiot | ||
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@Prh, I remember metal mafia and I agree with you that JAT could very very well be mafia here but i'm not sure that its because of how he town reads people necessarily. In games like imperial and a few other of his town games he gave out a few town reads earlier and granted it was pretty easy to townread some of the people in this game he is missing some of his key characteristics as town and some of the smart posts that he normally makes or at least observations in the thread. Though in that regard perhaps the town reads are telling as he isn't really saying smart things about them or what he likes just a bland this is who he likes. @Marv, Do you think that this weird push on LS solidifys Rayn as mafia or more as town rayn keying in on something that's important to him but not necessarily true or make ls mafia? | ||
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JAT is pretty uninteresting though so far in this cycle, which is meh I don't think I can really remember any of his points. | ||
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LS made his case on prh day three I believe, slam revealed his check on oneg day 4? it went shoot damdred, palmar shenanigans lynched, rs shot, Oneg red checked. On palmar lynch day LS made his case, plenty of time to re-evaluate | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu was not in the game at all. Yes i know he called all of his "probably town" reads scum aswell. Who cares? They are less scum than "scumreads". Or aren't they? Ok my bad I meant prp. You aren't understanding what i'm saying that list you brought up the POE Meta reasons aren't his scum reads. | ||
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On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: My entire thought process for now: Confirmed Town: Blazinghand, Superbia, Half the Sky. Non confirmed Town: ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz. POE META: Fecalfeast, Palmar, rsoultin, Damdred. Reason for each one of them: Fecalfeast looks like he did in Slytherin Mafia although he looked worse than that game when I first read him but his read on me is bad  Palmar: Palmar being Palmar I heard he doesn’t try when he’s Mafia and he been trying this game since the weekend when he normally cba on the weekend. Rsoultin: I know her pretty well and the last time she was Mafia she was reading very weird that entire game but this game she just been calling town and been standing her ground like she normally does <3 Damdred: Despite coming in late he looking like himself being very decisive which he was every time I played with him but I never played with him when he was Mafia though but he doensn’t really look like his scum game in Imperial which is a semi recent game that got a Mafia victory. Now there is Mafia in my eyes in ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz so this could be very well the entire anti town for me which 4 Mafia and 1 SK is 5 players and I got 5 and Robik might have been a wrong meta read which I taking into account for this and the fact he been tunneling the shit out of me and Slam is mostly unreadable for me this game and the last I couldn’t read him he was Mafia in Slytherin so I think he might be Mafia this game on meta for me. Ritoky although he looked better than his last mafia games I seen him play (Carol which I played and Imperial I shadowed) but he seem to still have some of his mafia traits in him but not as much as that time and give there been time since these two games happened he could of worked on his Mafia play. Prplhz he might be a vet as far I’m concerned and if he is one he looks really bad like Gobble bad meaning he could be mafia with very poor play and he doesn’t look very townie this game. VA he being absolutely useless this game and even more useless than in NYE Party mafia which I played with him so I think he could mafia on that alone. Like if you are going to try to incrimidate someone by saying after I flipped he thinks damdred is town quote the whole fucking post | ||
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which isn't the case if you read the post | ||
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Seriously rayn? | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:03 Damdred wrote: Or rather after rayn flips he thinks i'm scum which isn't the case if you read the post Here rayn goes again, I corrected myself right after that post.... lol | ||
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when I (rayn) flipped ls thought famdred was mafia because of this post x that I quoted. If you read the next post and the subsequent post after that ls explains how this isn't the case, your push on him males no sense | ||
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You could be scum you were really forgettable early now you are just latching onto anything its really weird | ||
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You just want to shit fight rayn | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I HAVE NEVER PUSHED LS IN THIS GAME WHAT THE FUCKING GAME ARE YOU IDIOTS READING? I am beyond words right now Rs what do you make on all this | ||
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Eden why didn't you answer my question to you | ||
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Rsoultin and Eden and ritoky give me reads | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:12 marvellosity wrote: I wasn't calling you bad. Your correction was bad. Your right on that I was trying to correct before people posted about it meh. Oh well thats what I get Also why is it so important that I make a case to rayn? I cant convince him he's scum? Especially when he wants it | ||
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I actually like ritoky for being town for two posts the rest of his posts are a bit meh, but he has two really good posts in my mind. Rsoultin is interesting to me something id nagging at the corner of my soul and I need to filter dive him at this point. I think Koshi is town in this case. Seems really good chance he is, even though I disagree with several of his conclusions it seems like he is trying to solve the game. Tonight tommorow I'm going to read everyone's filters and see what interests me the most. | ||
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Like a total lack of real commitment in that post when I talked to RS ealier he said he has a scum read on rayn. Ls asked him a question and we get this post that has no real conclusion but the end reads as if rsoultin knows rayn is town and isn't being read that way. Idk maybe I'm just reading it badly but no real conclusion bit wishy washy point really bugs mr | ||
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Its true you voted for Rayn early in the game, after marv, myself and prplhz. However you voted him for semantics and in almost every post you are talking with him in its almost like you are begging him to do something so you can town read him. And then you really aren't trying to figure out his alignment necessarily in how you are interacting you ask question then do something else then never revisit it barely. Then you played the middle man between me and Rayn and said nothing in it was alignment indicative necessarily basically, and then you gave LS this wishy washy answer. I mean you just don't have a lot of reads almost all of your scum hunting is joking and you sheep basically onto Marvs wagon for somewhat bad reasoning.. This just feels really off to me | ||
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On March 11 2015 20:49 rsoultin wrote: damdy...you're kinda putting me off with your ninja posting there a reason why you're hyper-focused on me this game? legit question If hyper focused on you means I've made 5 posts directly towards you that could be constituted as a falling town read towards scum read then sure | ||
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He still never answers my question either meh | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:31 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure whether eden is capable of that long post he made as mafia i mean it wasn't the most impressive piece of work ever, but it wasn't bad either Heres the problem I have with that post Marv. He spends most of the post only talking about town reads, their is a ritoky scum read in which he goes back on to maybe ritoky is town for another one of his pickle posts? And he says hes voting for JAT earlier he says its pressure but gives no further explanation in the big post why JAT is scum to him, but gives all these reasons why x is town. Its just weird to me his filter is kind of devoid of scum hunting while at the same time gives 100% town reads . Drops the vote on me effortlessly because of one question I asked and still avoided the question I asked him. Like hes just to sure about Rsoultin, for example when I asked him if I was right or wrong about Rsoultin being super wishy washy etc., and he says i'm not wrong but hes still 100% town. Rsoultin is a good mafia I think, and I don't think I could give rsoultin a 100% town read at that point. And his weird Rayn is town thing when there was no real reason to think rayn had been thinking about the thread? it all is just really weird | ||
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@Marv I don't mind doing the leg work but I won't be on a comp for a couple hours meh but I think I found something | ||
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Anyway I'm pretty sure Eden is scum here. Just is a weird game. Also lol RS it does look like you claimed mafia I think that was about Eden though? | ||
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You lack conviction, you drop things fast. You are 100% sure on JAT being mafia at points but drop it to now go after me who nobody is pushing. Either way you are ignoring the thread to try to make other people look bad On March 11 2015 22:40 Damdred wrote: Heres the problem I have with that post Marv. He spends most of the post only talking about town reads, their is a ritoky scum read in which he goes back on to maybe ritoky is town for another one of his pickle posts? And he says hes voting for JAT earlier he says its pressure but gives no further explanation in the big post why JAT is scum to him, but gives all these reasons why x is town. Its just weird to me his filter is kind of devoid of scum hunting while at the same time gives 100% town reads . Drops the vote on me effortlessly because of one question I asked and still avoided the question I asked him. Like hes just to sure about Rsoultin, for example when I asked him if I was right or wrong about Rsoultin being super wishy washy etc., and he says i'm not wrong but hes still 100% town. Rsoultin is a good mafia I think, and I don't think I could give rsoultin a 100% town read at that point. And his weird Rayn is town thing when there was no real reason to think rayn had been thinking about the thread? it all is just really weird | ||
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Anyway I've never said I scum read you for not jumping around like a crazy rabbit or something, that's untrue and I wasn't even in thread when that was being discussed. A post can look towny and look scummy in a different light, just like it looks good having good town reads but when you don't scum hunt? And your only scum reads fall away so fast? Yeaaa not really a towny mindset to me. Honestly I can decide if someone is scum or not by reading filter after 48 hours if things don't add up I say its weird and it is. | ||
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Had an emergency at work just got home on page 77 | ||
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##Vote JAT | ||
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Obviously theres a bus somewhere, prph I still think looks towny meh. @Rayn, i'm not sure honestly we both got off on something that didn't matter to the game. I think I got an interesting few reads right after you left and because of it though so our fight had a bit of meaning to it. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: well i was talking about what happened BEFORE the LS thing. I even pointed it out clearly. Why are you answering me with "AFTER thoughts"? Oh I had some reads before it mostly weak town reads for that early in the game. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: What was i supposed to do at that time then? Did you gather great reads at that point in the game (when i was around)? I'll try to answer this again. Before the LS thing the thread was extremely jokey and lax and you were in my estimation the first serious contender. So in retrospect you did the right thing in trying to push someone I still disagree with how you pushed LS at that juncture and with what you did however. At that point in the game I had several reads in the game but no none of them were great reads at the game besides that I was decently solid that marv was town and I had other people I the town pile. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you had "mostly weak town reads" but you were confident calling me scum so much you voted for me. Why? Damdred why? Because it was like 15 hours into the vote, Palmar has yelled at me/told me multiple times one of the weakest points in my game play is that I do not use my voting power enough to really figure out peoples alignments. You weren't playing your normal game marv made good points, I sheeped you came in with the LS stuff and I disagreed very heavily and went from there. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:24 marvellosity wrote: like open jat's filter, and view all, and just ctrl-f Damd ignore the quotes and just look at what jat says about him This is very true and a good point I even mentioned it near eod, JAT keeps calling me scum but will never vote for me. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote: ...if you thought rayn was scum, damdred why were you scumeading me for being one of the two people really actually pushing that wagon? garbage filter aside, I wasn't exactly passive about it Your filter was garbage. One of the main interactions in the thread you decided wasn't worthwhile to mention so to throw it out, you were the middle man trying to broker peace. And every time LS asked you for a hard read you gave this luke warm answer that had no hard conclussions even though you said you scum read him earlier. Which made little sense. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote: I hate shitfights. Clearly that's a scumtell xP Every time, damdy? Its probably less the middle one and more the weak filter and the weird wishy washness that made me question you. Especially when compared to your other adventures in mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie justanothertownie the mafia goon has been lynched! i'm going to colored in the confirmed to me and some thoughts. Here is my initial list of people I think are pretty confirmed at this point. Rayn, Koshi, LS are the initial pushers of JAT I feel just going from memory. LS went out of his way to dig up a meta read and really push that JAT was scum, Rayn is obvious blue and Koshi was one of the main pushers. Prph is interesting because he was (as eden pointed out) the first person to ping jat out when multiple people were starting to town read him. I think that this is really good and it doesn't confirm him like it does the top three but it makes him highly town to go along with his early activity. justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity,rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie So we then come to the post that Prph points out where JAT gave out three very early town reads on RS, Eden and Palmar. Rs I think is probable town for the post that Rayn quoted here especially. Looks really good and the second half of Rsoultins filter looks really good in my eyes. (not your first you dirty girl you) I also think Palmar is probably town in this case, and hes my lover so yes I believe JAT he is town here Eden is a bit harder but just going along that JAT let it slip out that these three are town it would look like this. I am the most suspicious of Eden because of previous things I've said though but i'm leaving that out for now justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity,rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie This leaves me in a world where the final two mafia are between Onegu, Ritoky and Marvellosity. (If I believe JAT calling them town). This leaves me in a difficult situation as I had a townread on Ritoky and on Marvellosity. I haven't known what to do with Onegu though so its possible hes the next mafia. and JAT was trying to push Ritoky into scum I think without voting him as well which is kind of weird. I would love to take eden out and say JAT lied about one person but I think scum Eden probably would of bus'd the fuck out of JAT in this situation to when there was little hope to get him off the hook. | ||
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And Eden pushing off JAT trying to get them on me/Ritoky was weird giving the flip especially with how Eden scummed him earlier in the day cycle. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote: JAT and eden teamed up to try to wagon and vote me, they aborted when it failed cuz i am confirmed town Yu missed my follow up post though I still think you are town my friend | ||
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I like the flow and the thought process behind it showed a clear thought progression and intent. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:06 rsoultin wrote: it kinda felt like damdy poe'd himself a little there lol I am one of the last question marks in the game honestly, if a vig shot me I wouldn't really fault them. I am one of the mislynches mafia can realistically get after that lynch its sad but true bad d1 play from damdred. | ||
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ITS CLEAR HIS THOUGHT PROGRESS AND THAT HE IS CLEARELY THINKING ABOUT THE GAME AND IMPLICATIONS THAT IT BRINGS TO THE THREAD. i'm not yelling just caps so that my answer is seen. | ||
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The only reason people think i'm poe myself is because the people who are left I had a town read on d1, or other people have a light or hard townread on in some cases. | ||
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No its not confirmed like Rayn is for instance | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote: so if i go back to my original early reads like i wish i had in horn rayn goes up some spots koshi goes up spots still left with the ritoky/onegu problem damdy is kinda near the bottom by default, don't know if i like that or not hmm. not helped me very much tbh. So your scum list has to be Onegu, Ritoky and Damdred. What do you think of the reasoning Ritoky is using here to show that he is town? | ||
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Marv look at ritoky and me and onegu and give thoughts please | ||
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Eden had some things I said earlier and his push off of jat onto ritoky still makes me lift my eyebrows a bit meh | ||
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Meta wise I don't think that rayn would go that hard against jat when he did when there were other opportunities in the thread, as far as I know rayn isn't a typical busser and never does it d1... | ||
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Ik thinking one mafia inbeteren Eden and rsoultin at this point though | ||
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He is coloring something red I'm giving him in hindsight reflection rather than the heat of the moment. Hence the in retorpsect now that more information is in the thread? Tgis is amazingly stupid honestly but it is what it is I'm not sure why you forget a read on me though.... | ||
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Marv is town let him do things Rs and Eden are really weird pressure them. Oneg been catching up most the day no content lynch if he lurks more. | ||
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Just setup wise I think I have an idea but would rather not say at this point in too Rayn is back | ||
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LS is my town hero | ||
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You are ignoring Palmar saying he wasn't actually blue I believe? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:42 Eden1892 wrote: and damdred why the fuck are you even accusing me of not reading when i clearly am and at worst just missed something while openly claiming confusion what the fuck is even your point Now don't be bm just because I point out your mistake | ||
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Also kinda hoping LS is vet and we can lynch Rayn today | ||
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I was in the fray for a lot of the things, and Kochi said meh on Eden and I expressed myself a whole lot more than thread sentiment exactly. | ||
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There's a couple of things that bothering me right now. JAT busses as scum of he has to, to get cred. In void he did this hardcore to SL and to Hts to a lesser extent. So I need to look if he has any early pushes or late pushes. I know both myself and rit jat halfway pushed idk about others. Eden bothers me to. The push off of JAT onto anyone not jat wanting to give him an extra day. Its really weid to me still. rayn being alive but yea | ||
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Honestly you decided to push with your scum read onto rit. I just don't get it | ||
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Still doesn't excuse the fact that Eden chose to push with his scun read onto two different players and you aren't explaining why | ||
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Literally when someone acts like robik II just ignore them and this is what we've come to. Total bias at least I have some regard of self awareness when I've played meh, I've been slightly above meh. Good job Eden good job | ||
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Like literally everything I took to a neutral party to see if what I was saying makes sense wasn't horrible. You need to get over yourself Eden. You want to see terrible points just look at the case you built on me. | ||
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Damdred doesn't pressure you or rsoultin hrmmmm. Both of you had strange interactions between yourselves, I pinged out rsoultin day before town read rsoultin and obviously if your interactions are weird and I think one mafia has to be between you it has to be YOU! I've also tried to figure out why you did things, but you decided to go full robik at this point instead of having an actual discussion I asked about the JAT thing and you decided to go full rage mode or full retard idk which. hard to do anything with oneg when he's literally hundred pages behind at points never in thread with me? That's really a non point honestly Like this whole case is bullshit and you should feel bad cause I'm never getting lynched | ||
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I've never done. vca as scum never ever ever ever ever ever Lynch all ljars ##vote eden Lyn,h all liars and lynch people that play like robik | ||
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gsbsjdkspdmdnakdoaojfhdkakdl Lynch Eden | ||
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##Vote Damdred 100% this game has pissed me off to no extent. Its great isn't it you get read scum because you call out people on stuff for your own benefit, like horns all over again. i'll make some sort of end reads post before I leave because i'm not going to be as big a dick to the game as my friend Marv was to me when I asked him for fucking reads even though he asked me for updated reads on my top scum earlier not like people should ever work together to figure things out. So good job | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also think that one dude who pushed me to claim is mafia too. Damdred? There is a reason claiming anything is fucking bullshit unless i am a cop with a red check which i am not. I didn't push you to claim? I said I thought I knew what happened and then marv said my suspicion I told everyone to stop talking about it until you got here? @Marv not sure where I defended JAT exactly I said that I think JAT could be scum but its for a different reason that I saw comparing filters meh. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:56 marvellosity wrote: Scum does not need to do anything because JAT (townie) is leading the votes. Stop being ridiculous When JAT said this wasn't he leading the vote like 5-2 or something large at that point and he was trying to rally voters onto someone else? | ||
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I think your point 2 is pretty meh, jats stated I think in void post game if he thinks he can get the town cred h will bus with abandon. I think that sorta invalidates the rest of that read | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia. 1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2. I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. #3 I think is pretty false since hes just kinda tunneled on me since I brought up some things I noticed to you d1. #2 I think is incorrect since he was pushing Ritoky or me near eod? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:17 Damdred wrote: #3 I think is pretty false since hes just kinda tunneled on me since I brought up some things I noticed to you d1. #2 I think is incorrect since he was pushing Ritoky or me near eod? Granted I admit i'm really biased this game | ||
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Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this. But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh. I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before you do that how can you go against Koshi in this game if you are mafia? I never said anything about going against Koshi? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:41 Eden1892 wrote: Look you keep saying stuff like this to other people but you STILL have yet to ask me about it directly. And you keep dismissing my case as non-points but you won't show me why. Like if it's that obvious then why is it that hard to show me? I get being annoyed at being accused, trust me, but I don't get how you at once say "it's a bunch of non-points" and then don't show how. Put yourself in my shoes, can you honestly say you would be ok with this response? Because everything you describe and claim I do as mafia I literally do as town. Fast town reads with little paranoia? Did that in slythern and in student games, so what I didn't do it to you in x game I did it in Y game it happens both ways. Sometimes I fast read marv and hf as town sometimes I don't. I can't remember the rest, I've never made vca as scum which you claimed. I go from town to scum on people pretty quickly like I did on artanis or prob in the last student game. Seriously though everything you list for me beign scum I've done as town | ||
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Marv makes good points Check Rayns filter Agree with points Think Rayn isn't his normal self, Votes Rayn LS argument Good vote still up till claim | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also are you standing besides the point you did not want me to claim? I know that I said we needed to wait on you before we made any more setup spec. I don't remember saying that rayn has to hard claim or anything | ||
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Tahts why I said stop talking about it and don't give rayn any ideas if hes mafia. Obviously if you were vig and shot rs or if you were vet and we had a vig hit rs it was important or if we had a vig and you were medic. Those are instances that are important. Now its just kind of unimportant to me not even sure what you are doing. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: but is it reality? I hope to wake up in a few minutes honestly because this conversation makes me question everything I know | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have sauna in like 5 min. make damdred and eden answer please. aready answered | ||
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Haven't filtered anyone though lately ill do that tommoeow and do mew poe | ||
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Its interesting how rayns acting especially since to him game is solved | ||
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I think we need to lynch Rayn today, the lynch reminds me a lot of carol mafia when it was between kel and hf and mafia tram decided it would be better to keep hf with some cred than kel who was going down in flames at that point. Scum hates losing members early game needlessly. Its just a fact, jat could of potentially saves himself or the mafia tram could of saved him easily by just voting Rayn. The blow back if rayn is town in that situation is minimal to a degree because he had been kind of lackluster for most of the day and Marv spearheaded the lynch. However no move was made even before jats claim and the cc, I need to look closer but I think that jat was leading by a wide margin and claimed and the only viable wagon was rayn at that point that we could switch to. So rayn hard claims... Then doesn't die and reduses to claim super weird kill during the night. Why leave confirmed rayn alive as medic? He descends hard claim because koshi is cc his only out. More than likely rayn with the way mafia jat folded rayn is possible role locker godfather. I really think he's the lynch, plus the way he quit the game at this point even though he's in his mind solved it and a lot of the game agrees with his list. doesn't look or feel town o think he's scum we should lynch him. Thoughts? | ||
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Like from my pie which I'll go more in depth soon I'm least sure of oneg, rayn, prph and palmar in that order. Even palmar and you prph are town at this point I think. | ||
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Here I town read Eden, closer examination I find scummy things. I can't even remember half of your point son me. Early town paranoia, I sometimes read Marv/HF town super early in games by tone or other things Later in the game I go well maybe HF is scum because hes more worried about beign right then finding scum. Me not being as paranoid towards a certain person is not alignment indicative. Either way I don't have a ton of time while i'm working on a bigger post to tear your case on me a part i'll do it afterwards. | ||
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Rayn has interacted with me when I've asked him things etc., Oneg hasn't been in the thread and has been insanely behind all game interactions would be bad as he has no knowledge of events almost. Like its just a bad point. | ||
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Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. I actually think that this is the most telling vote count in the game or at least the events that lead to it. The push on JAT directly comes after this vote count (by Rayn) Eden1892 (2): ritoky, lightningstrike justanothertownie (1): Koshi raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity damdred (1): raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. Eden at this point has the greatest push (besides a stagnant rayn lynch that was still leading) to get lynched at this point. Myself, LS, Ritoky and a few others were putting direct pressure on Eden to do things or get lynched. Rayn right after this vote count walks in and basically tells everyone to shut up we aren't lynching Eden we are lynching JAT. Though earlier I said that its a possibility that Rayn is mafia for X reasons, as I go back and read around these lynches this push just seems way to genuine and why would you push off of Eden (unless you go super tin foil) and onto team mate JAT here? Logically and objectively it doesn't make sense for mafia Rayn to come into the thread at this point to get the cred, it would be more benficial for JAT to bus Rayn or to bus team mate #3 than to come in so strong and directly steer the lynch off of Eden and onto JAT directly. Unless we have all three mafia up for the lynch here, which is highly unlikely there is no reason for mafia Rayn not to hammer town Eden who is going batshit in the thread at points. Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Some of Rayns play looks meh to me but overall and this push that directly resulted in a mafia lynch I think he has to be town. Also its really possible scum thought he was VET and didn't want to shoot him and medic dodged anyway or Rsoultin had good reads. I also think Eden has to be town in this situation, (on a offnote JAT hard townread him twice I believe and talked to him like he was confirmed town) he also isn't keeping his options open really and is chasing whatever he feels like. Filter size is bigger than I thought it would be also. Like 99% sure that Eden has to be town here, rereading the day the pressure on JAT looks a lot better than I remembered it and might of been a bit to accommodating to the thread pressure which I thought was less then it actually was. Early game still looked pretty good to me especially trying to figure out Rsoultin early. EoD still looks a bit wonky to me and is tunneled d2 but I still think its a good shot at being town. Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Prplhz is interesting, Marv made an excellent point in his synopsis of why he is probably town. Also his pinging JAT out about his townreads I think is still really good. When hes been in the thread hes pushed his own ideas forward and yes it looks bad that he wasn't on JAT at eod Also he went through imperial which was a slog of a game to figure out if JAT town reads people early or not, I don't know if I see a scum Prplhz doing this. And there are several posts in his filter I really like (such as the jat posts trying to make sense of the night kill digging through Rsoultins filter after he was dead to figure out his reads). I'm pretty confident that he is town. Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu That leaves me with two suspects inside of Palmar, Marvellosity, Onegu and Ritoky. There are several reasons meta wise or game wise for me to town read each of these people which makes this into a super hard game. Firstly Palmar has been really trolly this game, and while this isn't exactly alignment indicative the few times that I've seen Palmar as scum he hasn't really been trolly or not making sense in the game he is generally more serious and more apt to lead or try to lead the town into a lynch/mislynch that would directly benefit himself or the scum team. I can neither see him as scum be this trolly, shoot Rsoultin over Marv/Rayn/Koshi at this point in time. He does have negatives against him, hes not really attempting to solve the game past a point, but there were a couple of posts where I saw a town Palmar trying to figure out Marvs alignment during the early parts of the day phase and he was ok with Marv and Prp. Which made me pretty happy at that point with him as well. Also as pointed out with Eden, JAT town read Palmar twice once for a bad reason and once for no explanation at all. I'm sort of happy with putting Palmar as town in this scenario at this point. Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Which leaves me with Marvellosity, Ritoky and Onegu Marvellosity is really likely to be town in this scenario. While his night was pretty bad to me I think it actually fits his town game, he really reacts badly as town to being called scum as seen in horns and totally acts different than when he is scum In that regard. I remember when 've been on a team with him if hes called scum especially by someone like Palmar he usually dies a little and doesn't really come back from it. In imperial marv had to be poked and proded by most of the scum team to do things after he was called scum and disappeared for many hours inbetween as he just wasn't motivated to do things. Here he decided just to stay in the thread and fight it out. Which was really towny for Marv. His read on Prp is really good in my mind really well reasoned and thought out. His reasoning d1 on Rayn and that indecision on who to vote for looked pretty towny to me as well, plus that filter size going into d2 and into d2 while its not impossible for scum marv to do I think... it is improbable that Marv could go at a greater pace than Imperial in a game a 1/3 of the size at this point. After writing all of this out I am a bit concerned in the back of my mind that Marv is playing the game of the century for him in tin foil land, but I logically can't see this happening. hes going to more than likely be alive for most if not all of the game just because of the amount of confirmed people we have in Koshi+LS and Rayn obviously. This does not make him scum necessarily do not panic if Marv is alive d4 with LS dying and Rayn/Koshi or someone in that order dying. Eden1892 (2): ritoky, Lightningstrike justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu This leaves me in a world where Onegu and ritoky are the mafia in this game. And this doesn't really sit that well with me in this game and i'm not sure why. Generally I would be enthused that I have basically solved the game from my perspective but this is just hard for me to swallow. Logically and looking at the game and reasoning it makes the most sense. Also both of them make sense with a Rsoultin shot. We might not be giving enough credit to Rsoultins reads at this point in time, + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever His Palmar reasoning is actually really good and halfway makes me doubt myself on my town read. Ritoky hasn't really done enough of pushing a scum read and is a good enough scum player to try to change up how he plays scum especially with his other scum game ending at any moment that this game is going on. And even though he says I have a soul read on him I still want to say hes townish, some of his trollish posts had some insight into it. But he sort of led the counterpush votes onto Eden leading before Rayn came in and laid the smack down on JAT. Also there wasn't much of a bus opportunity onto Ritoky, the amount of steam and pressure that JAT+Eden could cook up at that point was pretty small in comparison to anything that was going on. Literally its a wifom vote by JAT at best. Just reading the push on Ritoky on JAT doesn't even feel like a real push because everyone is so set on a JAT lynch at that point before his claim. IDK about oneg he just seems so out of it. If i'm wrong about anyone its probably Rit and Palmar. 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On March 15 2015 03:12 prplhz wrote: seriously damdred are you hungarian or something? What do you mean exactly O_o | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:09 marvellosity wrote: I don't know. I think everything you wrote looked pretty ok tbh. I am most happy with this ritoky lynch because this continuing Onegu read is very silly. ritoky has pushed no-one in 2 days! ritoky is right - as mafia he tunnels for terrible reasons but as town he is opinionated and actually wants to kill people. not 2-3 sentences over 2 cycles saying "well maybe these 2 are mafia". This is the most likely reason that ritoky is mafia here. | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:18 Eden1892 wrote: i can't wait to feel completely retarded if ritoky flips town The more eden posts the more posts like this give me an odd feeling... | ||
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justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. Heres what the vote looked like right after Rayn drops his case as I mentioned before. Two confirmed town on Eden, Why doesn't scum save JAT here? or at least push Eden over the edge? We knew I was leaning scum pretty heavily on eden at the time that would be three votes on Eden. Palmar just moved prior to this vote count onto Marv so that's 4 people? Assuming palmar is scum in this scenario could be 6 votes on Eden sealing JATs survival for another day? What am I missing here? Could the mafia team just be super inactive like JAT was saying? Or Maybe the whole point of the RS kill was to give credence to the three town reads so that we would think he told the truth about all three? Im kind of confused and doubting myself. I really need to see and look through why people voted for JAT and the reasons behind it. I still think Rayn, Marv are pretty much 99.9% town. LS and Koshi are blue. Prp put a lot of work into the game especialy reading imperial like he did. I'm going to do some filter diving right here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Eden1892 (2): ritoky, lightningstrike justanothertownie (1): Koshi raynpelikoneet (4): prplhz, damdred, rsoultin, marvellosity damdred (1): raynpelikoneet, Eden1892 marvellosity (1): Palmar Not Voting (2): justanothertownie, onegu Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. Eden at this point has the greatest push (besides a stagnant rayn lynch that was still leading) to get lynched at this point. Myself, LS, Ritoky and a few others were putting direct pressure on Eden to do things or get lynched. Rayn right after this vote count walks in and basically tells everyone to shut up we aren't lynching Eden we are lynching JAT. Though earlier I said that its a possibility that Rayn is mafia for X reasons, as I go back and read around these lynches this push just seems way to genuine and why would you push off of Eden (unless you go super tin foil) and onto team mate JAT here? Logically and objectively it doesn't make sense for mafia Rayn to come into the thread at this point to get the cred, it would be more benficial for JAT to bus Rayn or to bus team mate #3 than to come in so strong and directly steer the lynch off of Eden and onto JAT directly. Unless we have all three mafia up for the lynch here, which is highly unlikely there is no reason for mafia Rayn not to hammer town Eden who is going batshit in the thread at points. And meta reason would be Rayn doesn't really bus much d1 either. So theirs that to. | ||
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I remember in student mafia wave was no where near top of the lynch list and you yelled your head off until you got what you wanted. Why so submissive and willing to take a back seat at this point only to say i'll get palmar tomorrow! | ||
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[ On March 15 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote: ^^^^ i am serious about palmarv team though. or at least one part of it: ##VOTE: Palmar this guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see Hammertime Mafia for a recent example). i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today. maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo On March 15 2015 03:39 Eden1892 wrote: i feel best about palmar though :| why the two who are more likely to be lynchbait first? On March 15 2015 04:17 Eden1892 wrote: ugh fine whatever ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: ritoky it really sucks when no one wants to play with you On March 15 2015 04:18 Eden1892 wrote: i can't wait to feel completely retarded if ritoky flips town Could you explain how you got from believing ritoky is really really town more than likely to. Maybe to lynchbait to oh fuck it i'll lynch ritoky today and lynch Palmar tomorrow. It seems really really made up to switch wagons like that. | ||
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On March 15 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: I dnu why damdred question koshi. if koshi is mafia we're fucked anyway. tbh at this stage i can be wrong on several people with 2 mafia left. so i follow you guys on to palmar. .... | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain this more specifically? Koshi was dogged about you claiming and not believing your claim, however he instantly believed jat and voted you when jat claimed medic the day before. | ||
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I'm the cop I checked rsoultin n1 sadly. | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:13 Eden1892 wrote: Lol come on man help me out at least. I been workin with you I debated between ritoky and rsoultin because of yours and her reactions. Plus I read rsoultin for complete shit | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay then elaborate on this please. Why were they weird? And what did it mean for you? Hard town read both ways. Hard defending pocketing etc., Yeah it just made me think one was Scum and I pinged rs out earlier and things Kochi said made sense | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does "weird interaction between two people" result in one being scum and the other one town? Both could be Scum both could be town. I'm not sure what you mean | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn't read Eden mafia on N1 start either.... You can't be serious | ||
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............ ... .. . IDK what to say yea ok. | ||
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Get to go home in 15 hours hopefully. Lynch rayn | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:01 scott31337 wrote:  | ||
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Besides you being right it just didn't add up as town rayn. Marv had some good points d1 to. Eden played decently though, even if he got lynched | ||
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Then three days later I go into another game when shes resting at home safe and alive and I have time to actually do things and the mind situation to be able to do anything for fun. Thank you | ||
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DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD | ||
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Subbed out for legit reasons didn't know I was getting subbed out till hf said so. Obviously Damdred always goes super trolly on everything in the thread right? I mean couldn't be his mind just went haywire for a bit? Anyway, I know you are salty about losing rayn but don't be BM. | ||
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Rsoultin can tell you when we talked I predicted you would roll town honestly. But you are just so infuriating I can't even congratulate you on amazing scum play here | ||
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That's probably the part of my game i'm trying to work on the most but yea | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:33 justanothertownie wrote: That wasn't directed at you specifically. Hapa also brought something like that up. Goes to show how little people actually know about my townplay. I was absolutely honest when I said nobody had brought up any good reasons for me to be mafia besides maybe Eden who had a decentish one. Koshi was just spouting the worst kind of bullshit left and right and rayns reason was just based on something that didn't even happen. Actually I thought I saw some real differences when I looked at your filter here and in imperial. I still don't think its necessarily what Prph saw, and i'd have to do some real comparison on other filters but there is a difference even if its slight. Either way yea, the tunnel on you mid d1 was painful to read honestly. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:39 justanothertownie wrote: No shit it looks different than Imperial. If this game was an anomaly for Palmar then Imperial was an anomaly for me. It is absolutely NOT the towngame to look at if you want to check my meta. Who knows what you are talking about - maybe it is even legit - but don't ever call me scum because I don't play like I did in that abomination of a game. OH no i'm not calling you scum because of that, imperial is the worst game in the world to compare anything to. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Then why does everyone always compare my play to this game? . . . I think because prph brought imperial up in this game first. I think imperial is the worst game to judge anyones meta on gah. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: well my 5th longest filter is mafia I think at 19 pages. So meh. I really, really do try harder as mafia. I'd agree with this. Palmar is really enjoyable to be on a mafia team with. If only ritoky hadn't shot me... | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:50 justanothertownie wrote: Of course it is harder and I am not saying people should manage to make themselves completely unreadable but look at Edens filter this game. Then look at any of his scumgames. Yeah.... Same about Koshi. That guy is basically an innocent child as town. I try not to be so try hard as town. It just comes easier and I like solving the game blah. Take out the emo thing which I am going to take out and I could have a good mafia confusing game | ||
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Like nothing game wise came up at all | ||
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I just don't see how its relevant to the game though. | ||
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Like when the SK shot me in titanic it sucked because it ruined the scume game plan but it happened. Like here in mylo we had green checked Marv and prph... We had palmar being the spammiest ever and you who was always right on mafia. The game could of honestly went either way I think probably killing koshi and not prph or Marv really ended it. I dont think koshi would of checked you. But yea you played well lost a close one. Gg | ||
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