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On February 20 2015 18:33 Eden1892 wrote: ugh who else then (I am not a valid answer) Yes. I think you are very scummy tbh. | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:26 Eden1892 wrote: not really seeing any contradictions tbh the first post was inconclusive about you b/c you hadn't done a lot (which is typically your scum behavior), but you brought up the snickers thing which I thought was good. snickers proceeded to not really try or do anything for several hours and your read made a lot more sense in light of that, so I came around to snickers mafia and you town. recently snickers has tried more so I've felt better about him, but your observation was still pretty good, so I think you're probably town, and I have better lynches like sicklucker and liancourt, so I'm not lynching you today and I'm not doubting my LS read, you're getting me wrong. I was joking about only modkilling someone who broke rules if they're mafia. could have been LS or SL or geript or anybody and I'd have said the same why don't you want to lynch sicklucker? if he's paying attention but clearly not active in the thread or side chats then he's probably mafia. sicklucker is much more active than this as town 1) It is not about contradictions. It is about the strenght of a read. I don't like how you start with calling me possible scum, and then type 5 different reasons why I am probably town. Especially after last game we played in which I was scum and you couldn't find 1 reason why I was town the entire game. 2) Again. It is about the strenght of your LS read. I would expect town!Eden to jokingly beg the mods to not modkill LS because he is obvious town. But you added the possibility that LS is scum instead. Because I feel like you should have LS as strong town. | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:34 Eden1892 wrote: bruh i mean who else will you lynch with me i'm not lynching me with you I am more interested why you think Snickers is mafia. Because so far I just read you are scumreading Snickers through reasoning I gave. Which again is not what I expect from Town!Eden. | ||
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This pushes your mafia agenda because 1) When I read your post it looks like you pick my side. 2) Oats is not fully convinced I am town. 3) Snickers looks actually pretty town to me since I recapped stuff this morning so you got that misslynch going. | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:44 Eden1892 wrote: ok, i get it's about strength of a read. i still don't see where the issue is. i was uncertain on you in the post you highlighted where i said you were maybe mafia, b/c you hadn't done a lot, but you had done one thing i thought was good (snickers bit). the snickers thing felt more validated over time so i got okay with you being town. your comparison to horn of africa isn't valid because the scenarios are different; you might not agree with this assessment, but i felt you literally did nothing townie in HoA, so of course i found no reason to townread you. you were afk most of the time and didn't do anything to solve the game when you were around. pretty easy read. when i made that post, you were still sorta in afk/not-doing-much land, but you posted the snickers thing, which was townie. so i was uncertain, and then as the game progressed, the snickers thing turned out to be pretty valuable AND you did more (digging into kurumi, chatting with ls and the town circle on the side), so i thought you were town your second point is pretty plainly overreaching to me. i really don't know how to reply to it because i feel like it's self-evident that i wasn't actually doubting my read on ls. all i can do is insist i wasn't I might be overreaching on that. But it is just another thing that just didn't go like I would expect. It can happen a couple times, but it seems like this game you never bleed town Eden. Anyway, your defense is noted down. I am expecting you to do things though. If you believe that rayn/geript/Koshi and possible VE are a strong towncircle that works on skype/TS/irc you should not be too afraid to be shot. So please, show me something spectacular. | ||
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Original Message From Eden1892: here's where i am on kurumi, feel free to leave your thoughts i have him down basically as a townie who got a good idea, got too excited to spring the idea, botched the execution and scrambled to find any result from it to salvage it. i think he fucked up by springing his qt's thing too soon and made the qt's not able to show a meaningful result (by springing it after only 1 extra view). once that happened, i think he might have gotten too entrenched in defending his idea to make an accurate read, and he scumread geript because it was the only thing that could keep his picture of how his idea was supposed to work intact - not because he's mafia trying to look consistent, but just that he's town that got confirmation biased with his idea [sniped] spectacular enough?  Any ideas? | ||
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Join the channel "scumteam" | ||
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On how many devices did you connect to your QT? Are you logged in with an username? | ||
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On February 20 2015 19:06 Eden1892 wrote: - an incident i saw in irc (no logs, gg, but snickers will confirm) where snickers was pushing him to give suspects or show anything indicating he was solving the game. liancourt just deflected pretty much everything and called snickers scum for omgusing i'm not as confident here, because i've literally seen the second point happen to me when we were town together, but i think the two points in conjunction are good enough to lynch on. Also when did this happen? Before or after Eden was explaining how scummy Snickers was to Oats using my reasoning? | ||
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I do think it is pretty terrible from sl to read LS town from that. But I think somebody outside sl did it as well. I forgot who. But sl also read me town for no reason at all in my previous game when I was scum. I am in the Eden is 100% mafia camp. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [13:46] == Koshi [c24e9265@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.78.146.101] has joined #Scumteam [13:46] == mode/#Scumteam [+ns] by herbert.freenode.net [13:51] == Sicklucker [18ccc61c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.204.198.28] has joined #Scumteam [13:51] <@Koshi> Oh hi [13:51] <@Koshi> Interesting to see you [13:51] <Sicklucker> hi [13:51] <Sicklucker> how many of these channels are we going to use [13:52] <@Koshi> Hmm? I just make a new one each time [13:53] <@Koshi> Eden, VE, LS [13:53] <@Koshi> Could they be mafia? [13:54] <Sicklucker> I think all could be possible I dont think ls is [13:54] <Sicklucker> that weird miller claim interaction so I especially dont see him being with eden [13:55] <Sicklucker> like how he spoiled edens potential miller bait [13:57] <@Koshi> Yeah I don't think LS is mafia either. But their [13:57] <@Koshi> QT was infiltrated and nobody is really talking about that [13:57] <@Koshi> It don't care if Kurumi botched it a bit. There still was somebody in that QT. [13:58] <@Koshi> So VE is mafia? [13:58] <@Koshi> Both you and snickers were going ham on VE there. [13:58] <Sicklucker> I thought geript claimed it was him? [13:59] <@Koshi> There were 2 QTs infiltrated [13:59] <@Koshi> The one with geript was geript [13:59] <Sicklucker> Oh [13:59] <@Koshi> the one with LS and VE is not solved yet [13:59] <Sicklucker> well its weird that my qt was not infiltrated [13:59] <Sicklucker> since lian acualy posted the link but no one noticed [13:59] <@Koshi> The link was wrong. [13:59] <@Koshi> I tried it [13:59] <@Koshi> sec let me recheck [13:59] <Sicklucker> o [14:00] <Sicklucker> it was the right link but here ill link you [14:00] <@Koshi> lian --> /51/H/mTeBUk7MXkgK [14:00] <Sicklucker> because it says this otherwise. Forbidden You don't have permission to access /51/H/mTeBUk7MXkgK on this server. [14:00] <@Koshi> you --> 51/H/mTeBUk7MXkgrK [14:01] <@Koshi> You see? lian removed an "r" in the end [14:01] <Sicklucker> ah well that guy freaked out and made another one [14:01] <@Koshi> But it wasn't infiltrated [14:01] <@Koshi> ANYWAY [14:01] <@Koshi> What about Eden? [14:02] <@Koshi> Eden and VE [14:02] <@Koshi> Talk me about those [14:02] <Sicklucker> not important but ya I think ve is mafia. I wouldnt bet my lifesavings on it but he was pretty quick to not engage with us [14:02] <@Koshi> I am so unsettled about the fact both you and snickers were going ham on VE and Eden didn't say shit [14:02] == Oatsmaster [79065e29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.6.94.41] has joined #Scumteam [14:02] <@Koshi> io Oats [14:02] <@Koshi> Can you read the past? [14:03] <Sicklucker> 'oatie [14:03] <Sicklucker> why was eden even around at that time? [14:03] <Sicklucker> I didnt notice him [14:03] <@Koshi> sec [14:04] <@Koshi> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/478192-office-mini-mafia?page=25#487 [14:04] <@Koshi> This is a post from Eden right before you and Snickers went ham on VE [14:04] <@Koshi> Eden just disappeared [14:05] <Sicklucker> Thats true and I was in that irc with a few others [14:05] <Sicklucker> but it died out mostly before that happened [14:05] <@Koshi> And then when he came back with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/478192-office-mini-mafia?page=27#530 [14:05] <@Koshi> HE IGNORES EVERYTHING [14:06] <@Koshi> He just quotes VE and is gone. [14:06] <@Koshi> It is soooooooo unsetlling [14:06] <Sicklucker> your right he does [14:06] <@Koshi> And VE is doing fuck all tbh. Which is not a mafia tell for him. [14:06] <@Koshi> But I mean... [14:07] <@Koshi> He really is doing fuck all [14:07] <Sicklucker> edens probably the easiest mafia read in this game [14:07] <Sicklucker> i was mafia partners with him recently and when hes town its so obviously like that 60 page filter game [14:07] <@Koshi> Exactly [14:08] <@Koshi> In this game he is talking to Oats how I might be mafia and then gives Oats 5 reasons why I am not mafia. [14:08] <@Koshi> ... [14:08] <Sicklucker> like if he is mafia I think he slip later when we were together and I forgot to vote and got mod killed after getting the lynch off me he just concideded or something [14:09] <Sicklucker> So id rather vote ve. eden will slip later if hes mafia imo or be really obvious [14:09] <Sicklucker> while ve might not [14:10] <@Koshi> Dnu. [14:10] <@Koshi> VE will probably be on voice tonight. Or somewhere with rayn and geript [14:10] <@Koshi> We will see then [14:11] <@Koshi> If both rayn and geript want to keep VE around he is not going to die [14:11] <@Koshi> tbh VE isn't saying dumb shit btw [14:11] <@Koshi> I don't got him as mafia. [14:11] <@Koshi> null [14:11] <@Koshi> But PoE [14:11] <@Koshi> Makes him mafia a bit [14:11] <Sicklucker> fair enough then I could see myself voting eden [14:12] <Sicklucker> makes him very likely to be mafia in this game [14:12] <@Koshi> Look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/478192-office-mini-mafia?page=30#596 [14:12] <@Koshi> This is where Eden says to vote either sicklucker or liancourt [14:13] <Sicklucker> eden keeps talking about how im always active as town [14:14] <Sicklucker> My activity has droped off alot as both alignments. But this game in relative to the thread ive been fairly active [14:14] <@Koshi> Yeah, activity this game is low anyway. He got a fucking 3 page filter while last game he had a 15 page filter around this time [14:14] <@Koshi> But look at that post. Nowhere a sign of Snickers [14:15] <@Koshi> He uses phrases like "if you guys don't want to lynch sicklucker" [14:15] <@Koshi> DAFUQ??? [14:15] <@Koshi> He is distancing himself so hard [14:15] <Sicklucker> Ya I dont really buy his reasons for voting me unlike someone like rayn [14:15] <@Koshi> from the thread [14:17] <Sicklucker> speaking of people scum reading me sup oats [14:17] <Sicklucker> I think you were kind of confused heres why I gave you a slight town read [14:17] <Sicklucker> Oatsmaster - Slight town - A strange oats but a good oats. Hes attacking the cool kids club which I like because I doubt he has the balls for that as scum. Has original ideas [14:17] <Sicklucker> I think mafia is too scared to ever attack an alliance of koshi rayn/ geript [14:17] <Sicklucker> that thread presence [14:18] <Sicklucker> i dont agree with it BUT YOUR DOING IT. Mafia would not have the balls for that imo [14:19] <@Koshi> Hmm dnu [14:19] <Oatsmaster> er [14:19] <Sicklucker> On February 20 2015 18:23 Oatsmaster wrote: The part that he calls me town for attacking townies is pretty bad. [14:19] <Oatsmaster> you still called me town for attacking some people you called town [14:19] <Oatsmaster> like [14:19] <Oatsmaster> thats bad [14:19] <Sicklucker> so what if I call you town for attacking townies? [14:19] <Sicklucker> I think that makes you town [14:20] <@Koshi> I am not sure why everybody thinks we are so confirmed to each other though. It is kinda funny. I wonder if it is mafia being scared or one of them is mafia and their partners are pushing the idea in the thread that we are all mafia... [14:20] <Sicklucker> I think mafia attacking those 3 players is suicide [14:20] <Oatsmaster> because thats what scum do [14:20] <Oatsmaster> they attack town [14:20] <@Koshi> Like, if rayn is mafia and then his partners say "rayn/koshi/geript" are all town. So that rayn gets the free pass. [14:20] <@Koshi> I doubt that though [14:20] <Sicklucker> Not those town. You nightkill those town. You attack the weak towns like me [14:21] <@Koshi> Sicklucker. Explain to me why geript/rayn/Koshi are so town? [14:22] <Oatsmaster> i dont see how rayn knows that you are town though koshi [14:22] <@Koshi> It's meta most likely. [14:22] <@Koshi> And some wishful thinking [14:23] <@Koshi> So as long as I don't do incredible retarded stuff he wont change the read [14:23] <Sicklucker> Like I think your town because of your last mafia game. Your also like a huge tthread presence and you dont want to kill me [14:23] <@Koshi> lol [14:23] <@Koshi> Yeah but I mean the entity rayn/Koshi/geript [14:23] <@Koshi> The thread keeps saying we are all town [14:23] <@Koshi> why? [14:23] <Sicklucker> geript im just sheeping on you and rayn I dont think hes town asides from that I can never read th eguy [14:24] <Sicklucker> oh [14:24] <Sicklucker> there sheep [14:24] <Sicklucker> like usual [14:24] <Sicklucker> and mafia that can only sheeo [14:24] <Oatsmaster> they are saying that because rayn says you guys are town [14:25] <@Koshi> Maybe. [14:25] <@Koshi> Anyway [14:25] <@Koshi> Again. [14:25] <@Koshi> We need some good stuff on VE I think [14:26] <Oatsmaster> what [14:26] <@Koshi> Snickers and sicklucker are probably not mafia together for attacking VE like that [14:26] <Oatsmaster> im pretty sure VE doesnt do the "Im town guys you better not think im scum or else" shit as town [14:26] <@Koshi> Yeah I think he does [14:26] <@Koshi> hmm [14:28] <@Koshi> Maybe not [14:28] <Oatsmaster> lol [14:29] <Sicklucker> who wa sall in that second qt that an outside person entered [14:29] <Sicklucker> I forgot only focused on the first 1 [14:30] <@Koshi> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/478192-office-mini-mafia?page=16#319 [14:30] <Sicklucker> ls,oats? [14:30] <@Koshi> LS/VE + geript/oats [14:30] <Sicklucker> oh ok [14:31] <Oatsmaster> i havent opened mine [14:31] <Sicklucker> I feel like operation honeypot was a succes [14:31] <Oatsmaster> since that post [14:31] <Oatsmaster> if it was a success, who is scum from it?> [14:31] <Sicklucker> ve! [14:32] <Sicklucker> ill be on and off for awile ill keep this open [14:32] <@Koshi> Oats, you never went into your QT? [14:33] <@Koshi> ahh since that post [14:33] <@Koshi> ok nvm [14:33] <Sicklucker> marsbar never came into ares [14:33] <Oatsmaster> what [14:33] <Sicklucker> or at least never typed [14:33] <@Koshi> Why do you always type "ares" when it should be "ours" lol [14:33] <@Koshi> 3rd time I see you do it [14:33] <Oatsmaster> it was clear that it was possible to get unique visitors from opening it up in different browsers [14:34] <@Koshi> No it isn't [14:34] <Oatsmaster> or different networks [14:34] <@Koshi> No it isn't [14:34] <Oatsmaster> it is [14:34] <@Koshi> Except when you are not logged in [14:34] <Oatsmaster> create a qt [14:34] <@Koshi> Sure. If you are not logged in [14:34] <Oatsmaster> try it [14:34] <Oatsmaster> yeah [14:34] <@Koshi> IF YOU ARE NOT LOGGED IN OATS [14:34] <Oatsmaster> whats your point? [14:34] <@Koshi> Dnu [14:34] <Oatsmaster> my point is that the unique visitors doesnt tell us shit [14:34] <@Koshi> It probably doesn't [14:35] <@Koshi> Cuz geript entered his twice [14:35] <@Koshi> So nothing htere [14:35] <@Koshi> But LS and VE might have not [14:35] <@Koshi> dnu [14:35] <@Koshi> It is probably nothing [14:35] <@Koshi> Still I want to persue it [14:35] <Oatsmaster> its nothing [14:35] <Oatsmaster> at all [14:35] <Oatsmaster> dont bother [14:36] <@Koshi> Who do you think is scum? [14:36] <@Koshi> Really sicklucker? [14:36] <@Koshi> Meh [14:36] <Oatsmaster> really snickers? [14:36] <Oatsmaster> meh [14:36] <@Koshi> I don't think snickers [14:36] <@Koshi> I just said snickers is town [14:36] <@Koshi> ... [14:37] <@Koshi> Eden/VE/liancourt/Onegu [14:38] <Oatsmaster> onegu hasnt posted 1 bit [14:38] <Oatsmaster> the eden stuff is intriguing [14:38] <Oatsmaster> i thought he was pretty town [14:38] <Oatsmaster> so how is sl town koshi? [14:38] <@Koshi> I don't know [14:39] <@Koshi> He can play good as mafia so I don't know [14:39] <@Koshi> Like.. Somewhere I would think he would call LS and Lian mafia in a listpost? [14:39] <@Koshi> If eden is town he would call eden town? [14:40] <@Koshi> But now he says VE mafia. geript/eden null and LS and lian town [14:40] <@Koshi> That's ballsy and possibly correct [14:40] <@Koshi> And you can't be mad at him for calling you town for attacking townies. [14:40] <@Koshi> It is a possible read [14:41] <@Koshi> But like I said [14:41] <@Koshi> I don't know why he would be town [14:41] <@Koshi> But I got reasons why Eden is mafia [14:41] <@Koshi> And I don't like VE enough to think he is town [14:41] <Oatsmaster> its a bad as fuck read [14:41] <Oatsmaster> lo [14:41] <Oatsmaster> and ve makes people angry [14:42] <Oatsmaster> considering 1. Its not even accurate [14:42] <Oatsmaster> 2. Hes calling me town for doing scummy things [14:42] <Sicklucker> Its townie imo [14:43] <Oatsmaster> Dude i do this shit in every scum game I play [14:43] <@Koshi> Well if you think it is townie you would do it as mafia [14:43] <Sicklucker> few mafia has the balls to go against the entire thread on the three strongest players [14:43] <@Koshi> ahh that is townie. [14:43] <Oatsmaster> i attack the towniest looking guy for the reasoning you are giving [14:43] <Sicklucker> fair enough when I play mafia I immatate what I would think if i were town [14:44] <Oatsmaster> I just do it cause of people like you [14:44] <Oatsmaster> And its not even accurate, Nobody strongly thought koshi was town and rayn was also sitting on the fence [14:44] <Sicklucker> like its a very thin town read [14:44] <Sicklucker> you could tottaly be mafia [14:45] <Oatsmaster> so 1, your read was inaccurate from the sense that I wasnt attacking any strong town. [14:45] <Oatsmaster> 2. Your read is inaccurate because that doesnt make anyone townie [14:45] <Sicklucker> you werent? [14:45] <Sicklucker> explain 1 [14:45] <Oatsmaster> THEY WERE NOT HIGHLY REGARDED AT THAT POINT OF TIME [14:46] <Sicklucker> im pretty sure they were [14:46] <Sicklucker> But I read pages 14 on when I woke up [14:46] <Sicklucker> so it all seemed like the same time to me [14:49] <Oatsmaster> nope [14:57] <@Koshi> Well.. Chances are high you are going to get lynched sl. [14:57] <@Koshi> Especially when you are town. [14:58] <@Koshi> And Onegu is town [14:58] <@Koshi> It's basically 8 vs 3 then [14:59] <Oatsmaster> how do you know onegu is town? [15:00] <@Koshi> I said [15:00] <@Koshi> Especially if sl and Onegu are town [15:00] <@Koshi> As in [15:00] <@Koshi> HYPOTHETICAL [15:01] <@Koshi> It would be so awesome if we were the scumteam though [15:01] <@Koshi> Chatting in the chatroom #scumteam [15:05] <Oatsmaster> you didnt say if [15:05] <Oatsmaster> lol [15:08] <@Koshi> I said when [15:08] <@Koshi> Especially when you are town And Onegu is town [15:08] <@Koshi> w.e [15:09] <@Koshi> I actually made that mistake on purpose when I was scum [15:09] <@Koshi> But that was more obvious than this [15:09] <@Koshi> Anyway. [15:09] <@Koshi> When and if are the same to me | ||
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