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On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why?
I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently:
Trfel 0/2
Shining
rsoultin 1/1
elyas
jarjar -2/2
tere
hier 0/2
silver -1/1
which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on.
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On February 17 2015 07:42 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 07:37 zlefin wrote:On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why? I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point?
I'm not sure, I'd have to look back through my own filter, at least for trf's case. I probably did it in response to something someone said, in which case I probably said something in thread about that, at least to agree with their concern.
For silver, I'm just unsatisfied with his late posting, his explanation is reasonable, and could be the case, but I still don't like it. I was waiting to hear his explanations for not posting real life day 1 before dinging him a point (especially since until he posted, I thought he was gonna get replaced).
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Sleeping now. Have fun with your last minute plotting.
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On February 17 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote:
There are a ton of red flags appearing in zlefin's play, though, and that concerns me. This whole not wanting to vote-switch stuff among them. Townies generally don't care about consistency or perception, because townies are just trying to find scum.
I just don't like to bother the moderators with vote switches needlessly. I prefer to just let everyone know what I'm looking at in-thread, rather than through the vote mechanism.
Sadly, as it's my first game, you can't see a history which would show that.
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On February 17 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
Anyway, I'm tired now. I'll keep checking up on the thread, but I doubt I will seriously investigate anything else before I go to sleep. I hope you can understand. I'll get to everything else tomorrow. Be warned that I sometimes get carried away playing mafia, so it's also possible that I stay up until something like 5 AM analyzing everything to death.
Slightly unrelated, I would appreciate thoughts on the formatting of my previous post. Is that more understandable and easier to read than a wall of text version?
I found the formatting to be quite helpful for reading it.
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On February 17 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote:
So, like, I totes have quotes and stuff, but I'm kinda tipsy so I'm not gonna inflict that on y'all right now lol >< you don't mind if it waits till morning, do you, truffle wuffle? Eh, I'm curious, but that makes sense. Especially seeing how my late night posting went last night. Can you at least provide hints as to what you are thinking about? My curiosity has been piqued... He was asking weird questions imo...about who he should be voting for even though he thought that hier was scum. for information purposes or somethin' Then went all quiet after I said just vote for his scumread since there were 2hrs left. Something else about not wanting to change votes a lot. Seemed very concerned about perception there at the end and his vote on Hier was very half-hearted, dunnae. Yup. I think I commented on it in my filter actually.
Dude, have you not heard about all the snow? I was shoveling snow, I already said that!
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On February 17 2015 19:21 Tere wrote:
Morning zlefin!
If you had two bullets, who would you shoot right now to kill scum?
right now, I'd shoot you, and, hmm, probably jarjar.
but I only just finished my review of the thread, I need to go filter looking for the people I have lousy reads on.
To try to be clearer about where my points are coming from: I'm giving tere a -1 point because the confirmed town Hier put his final efforts and vote on him.
I'm still considering trfel's case against tere.
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I'm disliking that Tere keeps asking people for their top two kills without having said her own. Feels like probing for information to join a wagon without committing; I think someone else already noted this as a potential issue, but I forget who, and it's not where I thought it would be (in trfels analysis post).
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On February 17 2015 22:43 Tere wrote:Yup. There's an extremely good town related reason why someone might want to get a town consensus on scum reads during the night phase, and it's not that hard to figure out. Just saying  Anyway, out to this bloody boring meeting. Back later.
that strikes me as rude. If you have a good reason, you should provide it. It feels like instead you want someone to come up with something that you can then say "yeah that was it", when you can't think of a good reason yourself.
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oh, and I'm dinging tere another point for the suspicions from here and trfel's analysis.
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Responding to Silverarte post (without quoting cuz it's long)
The point totals are not something anyone else is meant to follow, it's simply letting people know where I'm at. I made the totals for myself, to help me keep track of my thoughts a little. I post them simply because it's very easy to copy/paste it and information tends to be good for town, and there's no issue with spam in these games in general, so I may as well post it in addition to whatever else I'm doing.
As to what is now the case, well, my initial reads still are what they were; I don't get new reads on people of any sort very often. The most new reads are on Tere for the reasons I mentioned a bit ago (I assume it's so recent you don't need a reminder).
I don't think I've been getting new tonal reads on people. (my memory could of course be faulty, as I don't keep timelapse data on my point system).
What other clarifications would you like?
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On February 17 2015 23:28 Trfel wrote:
Zlefin, I hope you can understand why people are skeptical of your list. It would be extremely nice if in the future, you could keep a list of why you read people as the alignment that you do for the individual points. This is also helpful for you, because if you decide that someone is scum, you can use these lists to quickly show why they are scum.
I will try to be a little more detailed. But the points again are really more for my own use than for others, and I only copy/paste because it's easy to do so.
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I do realize that, but there's only so much I can do about that. I already explained my reads as best I could, often there wasn't anything I could point to back it up, it was just my impression. It is what it is and I can't change that. If people don't want to believe that I can't help that.
If I had thoughts I'd share them, and I have. Often I just don't. I can't give you what isn't there.
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I'll consider that, I might mind it yes. I do and have looked through people's filters, but often nothing comes to mind.
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On February 18 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
Firstly, if you're hinting at what I believe you're hinting at, Tere, use your best judgment and your coach. You don't need everyone else's reads to do it. Put on those big girl pants xP
And give your own reads, cause you know how this confirmation bias stuff works, and you're feeding into it right now.
Zlefin...let's try something, okay? Would you like to play a game with me? Lol, JJB will probably recognize this game.
I find your tone odd and condescending. We're already playing a game, it's called mafia. If you want to say something, say it.
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On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts?
pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all.
I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them.
As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them.
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On February 18 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:55 zlefin wrote:On February 18 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, lol, our case-maker just found your reasons in your filter, Zlefin, but if you do want to play the game anyway, just let me know ^^
Nah, Truffle, it was only his later play that was bugging me, anyway. His point system reminds me of my brother's lol.
Speaking of paranoia...JJB isn't getting scumread this game. Seems like a dumb reason to find him scummy, but usually everyone is like JJB, scummiest of scum! Am I nuts? pass on the game, I don't think it will help me clear up my thoughts at all. I want to use my time to review the two people I still have no reads either way on (shining and elyas) to see if I can figure something out on them. As to JJB, I've had him at mild scumread if that makes you feel any better. Which, by your description of him, would be his usual state. It'll take some time for me to figure out how to compensate for how naturally scummy certain people sound, since I don't have a background on them. Believe it or not, that actually does make me feel better ^^ Eh, I don't know how to explain JJB other than he's a bit of a happy clown, but the biggest points in his favor at EoD were how he kept the discussion open. I know he was pushing you, but from a mafia perspective, if you know the leading wagon is town you either just sit there and let others push it so you don't look bad when he flips town, or you say "this is a bad lynch" but do nothing to stop it. JJB doesn't really fall in either category.
Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB?
I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia.
If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it).
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I'm a bit concerned about Elyas overall posting. I just went through it all twice; and it feels; I'm not sure how to describe it, empty maybe? Yes, empty is a word that describes the feeling I get from it.
I can't point to specific posts; but it just feels like there isn't much there.
The overall post amount is markedly lower than average, and it feels like not much is being added to the discussions, mostly repeating what others have said.
Admittedly, a lot of the same applies to me, so I'm not yet sure what to make of it, but I'm definitely concerned.
I'm gonna put a -1 on my points for elyas.
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Also I've got a bit of a headache today, not sure if that's affecting anything or not.
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Looking through SilverArte's filter, I have a better feel about it; it feels good, but I'm not sure if that's a town sense I'm getting, or just general friendliness, I think it might just be the friendliness, because when I think of specific issues of concern I had with elyas (low overall quantity, lack of originality) it looks like those are still present, though definitely not to the same problematic degree as Elyas's filter.
Silver's definitely feel more helpful, and somewhat contentful. I'd also like to hear other's reactions to this assessment.
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