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/in My activity will be extremely low because I'm traveling, though. | ||
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Breshke, my pupil! I don't have much to teach you anymore and maybe having another perspective of the game from another player is good, but I would love to have you in my shadow qt!! | ||
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 Rsoultin, I'm completely okay. Go TEAMbear!! | ||
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I'm town I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet. First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai. Brb | ||
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The thing of you being a cop. It was ridiculous. | ||
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The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:34 IAmRobik wrote: Can we lynch GB? He's worse than I am this game Please don't start the flame. | ||
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He called Eden out for fairly good reasons. I had a slight townread on Eden but after I re read his townread on DrH( it felt pretty bullshit | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:41 IAmRobik wrote: i was referring to your inactivity and your random pop-ins + that post that you made about "is there an ongoing convo or should i catch up" like wtf is that shit I'm doing both things at the same time, I wanted to know if I would clutter an important discussion with comments on early posts on the thread | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote: By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote: I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter. The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. This wasn't discussed? THIS WASN'T DISCUSSED? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:50 justanothertownie wrote: Don't put on a show and tell us why he is mafia instead if you really think so. Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:55 marvellosity wrote: is that because that's what you would do as scum? ... when do you think the last time i got lynched as town was? Oh so you're here! Why are you not helping with the lynch? Lurking much? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:56 justanothertownie wrote: So are Palmar and I both mafia with him? Or why do you think it not being discussed means anything at all? Just shut up about it and catch up. If you have any real reason for thinking marv is scum I am all ears. LOL for dismissing this point by just telling me to shut up, you could be. I'm not making any associative reads. I don't understand why are you talking about palmar and you. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote: Because we just lynched scum marv day1 last game maybe?! ... What does that have to do with what I've brought? I said "marv's filter length is alignment indicative" and "scum would try to pick my post and push marv if marv was town" All you have to do is say "it's not alignment indicative" and "scum wouldn't try to pick on it" and prove both things. All you're replying to me has nothing to do with the points I've brought. | ||
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Eden Sicklucker Ritoky Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:06 justanothertownie wrote: It is alignment indicative. But this game has special circumstances and you just keep spouting something which is true generally but not necessarily here and contributes nothing to the game. You didn't even consider his play at all. It is just useless. So, it's alignment indicative, nonetheless. You clearly saw that he was lurking and only posted when I said he was scummy. So I say something that is alignment indicative but it contributes nothing to the game. I also say that scum not picking that thing up is weird but you ignore it now. JAT, wow. Why are you hard defending him and downgrading me so much? Lol | ||
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My points on marv are 3 1) Filter length 2) scum not picking that (if people didn't actually pick it) 3) Him lurking and posting when I've threw suspicion on him. If you're all not up to lynch marv, Id like to lynch between Eden or Sicklucker, mostly. What I've read from geript made me have a slight townread on him, so I'm not lynching him. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:52 ritoky wrote: interested in your eden read, cuz i am kinda on the same page with the other 3 reads you have here. could you explain? or have you? Bullshitty townread on DrH Fluffy posts Contradictory pointed out by geript Voting out TheChyz and scumreading him out of an okay opening. Eden pointed out everything that would make DrH entrance looking scum, but townread him. Then scumread an okay entrance from the chyz. And now DrH, early townread by Eden, made a case on The Chyz (unflipped association YEEEES). No wonder. | ||
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Nothing. I'm not really voting him. I was just trying to get some reactions for further purposes in late game. I'm afraid these are two town wagons. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:26 Koshi wrote: FUCKING LYNCH VIVAX DO NOT LYNCH CHYZ DO NKT LYNCH GERIPT. Seriously the 4 people on chyz are insanely dense. No newbie mafia is going to SELFVOTE because a town is onto him and fuck his team over. THINK FFS Sheep koshi guys. This man knows what he is saying. | ||
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On January 02 2015 19:35 Koshi wrote: Both Robik and GB didn't vote. This game is not balanced around modkills. So don't get modkilled. Dumbasses. Why did Eden not see this? I voted Vivax dude. I sheeped you because you are obvious town and I felt the main wagons could BOTH be town. | ||
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Just check the vote thread. | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote: time to soberly not like GB tbh. he descirbed what mafia should be doing while doing it. pretty cute actually. Lol, you know I'm talking about mafia realising a townie is scumreading possible town!marv for fair reasoning and trying to get him mislynched while putting responsibility for the mislynch on me. | ||
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Well, do you believe the wagon on bats was pure town? | ||
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It's just plain ridiculous. | ||
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I have yet to catch up to understand the voting dynamics that occurred, but I preliminary see two scenarios where; 1) geript was mafia and mafia was trying to mislynch TheChyz to keep geript alive or 2) both wagons were town and the wagon on bats was lead by town, so it COULD be pure town but I find hard to believe scum wouldn't spread their votes without putting a single vote on bats. | ||
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So is Palmar Bye | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote: Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.- A big NOPE to this post | ||
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Now, for geripts townread, it was because that particular post I showed to Artanis that I had a townread on him. I was having the same reads as him plus his post felt really townie. I can break it down if you want. Also; for JAT's scumread, it's because at least until page 30 he doesn't look like he is trying to figure the game out; he is just randomly commenting things and calling people stupid, which I expect from active mafia. This is the exact same opinion VE has brought on the last game we've played together about hopeless. Palmar I had a scumread solely for that post I've always pointed out. I can also break it down if you want. Finally, I'll be home on Sunday. I'll be able to play the game properly once I get home, if you let me love until then. I'm dining now on the hotel | ||
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I've just got home after traveling for 24 hours straight | ||
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Ok, so, damdy, how do you know you were green checked? | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: is sl the cop or not btw can I get a straight answer ^ this | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no one.should consider lynching either of you then without a cc which means if there real cop is out there you need to cc asap on day 3 Nah, 1 for 1 trade, shitty idea. Cop should probably shut up and keep checking people and soft claiming checks. | ||
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And lynch JAT | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:17 Vivax wrote: Alone for saying this I'll probably townread you. Provided you mean it. Scumreads geript Leads shenannies on easy target batsnacks Keeps scumreading geript Gets enough votes on geript Tries shenannies on Superbia Votecount reveals geript needed to die to give space to another discussion JAT decides to shenannie TWICE instead of lynching his biggest scum target AND allowing space for another discussion? No way. | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:27 Damdred wrote: Understand what you are saying GB, keep posting and I'll read in the morning please I don't have much insight yet. I may have to break down that palmar's post I've said before and do a lot of catch up. I love ketchup | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote: Btw, as I'm probably going to be mostly unavailable today (it's new year's eve... why did we even start?). I'll just throw out very much not curated thoughts I had while reading up to like page... 16? I'll catch up with the rest later. geript is sort of scummy in some respects. I have no idea why 20 minutes into the game he started wishing for random people to be there to talk to him. Also, everything he says is sort of... too clean? not dumb enough? I don't know how to describe it and it's just a feeling based on memory, I haven't gone back and re-read, so I'd need to confirm. Eden came off strong and he said something I thought was really dumb. DrH is probably town, and he had a post that made me feel good about that read. Damdred is probably town too. He too has a post I can't remember that made me think "oh that looks like a townie". Koshi overreacting on this page (21) to DrH's dismissal of koshi's defense was kinda mafia. Idk though. I should probably just sheep marv and lynch him if he's wrong. That's always a fine strategy. Remember, these reads I'm just throwing out literally from memory of having read like 4-6 pages this morning. Don't pretend these are some concrete observations. 1st paragraph) palmar doesn't have excuses like this. He just fucks off and say he was playing dota. He sounds like he is trying to get sparred from being lynched. Remaining paragraphs) Scumreads geript for shitty reasons (not being dumb is ridiculous). Wishing for some people to be there to talk isn't scummy. Geript had townie posts like the one I've showed to Artanis which makes this read looks much more fabricated. States generic things of Eden without drawing a conclusion. Coming strong means he was town? Saying something dumb means he was mafia? This is just fluff and non-committal. Horrible reason to scumread koshi who was obvious town on most of his posts. I have no idea how he gauged reactions. Says he will sheep marv who was very non-committal in the first half of the game. Than restates, for the third time, that these are preliminary reasons and that he has to read the game to give proper reads. The "don't pretend these are concrete observations is horrible. It sounds like "hey these are my reads ok guys I'm contributing but don't take my word for iiiiit" Conclusions: .Constantly downgrading his reads while giving them -> if he isn't safe in his reads, he doesn't have to post it yet. It just feels like he is trying to be contributive. .Horrible reads for horrible reasons, which seems fabricated (specially eden's, which was generic and fluffy) By the way, he says he read until page 16 but knows exactly where is the koshi thing: page 21. This proves he is INTENTIONALLY downgrading his reads so he won't get responsible for anything, but still giving reads to look active and contributive. | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:44 justanothertownie wrote: Grats. This is the dumbest shit I heard all game and vivax is in it. Thanks. I'll be on you all day long. And I'll get you lynched because you're scum. | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:45 sicklucker wrote: When your behind in a numbers game you take risks. We should take some risks with are lynch. We need to hit alot of mafia inarow What are you talking about? Gonna sleep. Anyway, I broke down that palmar's post, gonna catch up tomorrow kthxbai | ||
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Palmar is mafia JAT could be, gotta work on him. Sicklucker reasoning to rescind is bad. To me, he just saw the chance of claiming being cop when Robik pointed out he could be the cop when he said "who would you check?". Which is stupid but whatever. I disagree with marv, it's not a suicidal play as mafia exactly because you're reading it as too suicidal to be mafia, therefore, town. I don't thing his claiming and rescind should be taken in account to read him as either alignment. KelsierSC night push on the cop at night is bad. But he does look like he is trying to figure out the game for himself which makes me have a slight townread on him. As hard as it is to me to say this, Robik looks townie to me. I can't really say why, also. His mafia play looked more underwhelming on Guilty Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:05 IAmRobik wrote: At least one mafia out of Kelsier/sicklucker/gb just townread me. Book it I'm clearly not mafia, Robik. I'm actually a very easy townread in this game. And if I was mafia with town!Robik on the game, oh boy, I'd be trying to get you lynched so hard that Wolverine would change his Adamantium for it. Perfect combination: cluttering the thread for legit reasons, trying to get a null lynched. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:07 Damdred wrote: Gah GB, that hit me hard I won't lie. Its such a chore proving I'm town to you and takes energy.  ( god its n2 and I almost have 10 pages of filter this is unheard of for me.Damdy  are you okay? You look like you need a hug. Here's one for you too+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:12 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah. GB is way too agreeable plammmmar. Agreeable? I was the first one to said I would lynch palmar. I've broke down his post to say why he is scum for that single post. I'm scumreading JAT. How can I be agreeable? I've just said I disagree with marv on sicklucker. All you've focused was my townread on you. Lol. | ||
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I'm having a hard time to understand what reasons people are scumreading me for | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: Fine. But you play day3 or you die day3. I claim to be full of shit. Solid meta. Would sheep. You are stating this as if it was some awesome achievement. It's not awesome, but again, I'm taking an original instance against a strong player, which is a town trait. Do you really agree with that "meta" thing? | ||
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Mafia has no motivation to scumread a strong player. They just shoot them at night. Simply as this. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:36 justanothertownie wrote: They have every motivation to do so if they think it makes them be townread like you obviously do. I was already townread before coming to the thread against people. I could keep the lurkage and survive days over. I'm not lurking anymore because finally I have a stable internect connection at home. If you really can't see this as obvious town, nothing will. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:02 IAmRobik wrote: This conversation is going on for 6 pages. No wonder no one reads the fucking thread ^ this Slam, can you provide a qt so vets can get more privacy? Or just in case someone actually wants to read this. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:08 KelsierSC wrote: I also feel there is a mafia between Marv and Palmar and I would say it is probably Palmar I would say it's both. I would say slam is cool enough to pull all the vets on the scum team for the lulz | ||
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To put all the vets* I'm implying I'm having a scumread on Palmar, JAT and marv and that's bizarre. But mostly palmar. I want palmar dead. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:16 IAmRobik wrote: you better not imply that i'm not the biggest baddest vet around Uhm... | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:23 IAmRobik wrote: Is anyone goign to bother doing a voting analysis? Like the voting pattern I did regarding JAT? | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote: That wasn't a voting analysis. It was a brainfart. A fart that smells like eau de toilette | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:28 justanothertownie wrote: And permanently damaged any mental capacity of yours. It smells good nonetheless | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote: This read is still utter horseshit. This is all you're doing, JAT. Saying people are dumb, saying reads are shit, but doing NOTHING to move the thread forward. I can't possibly read you as town. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:48 justanothertownie wrote: This is what happens when you don't read the game. I am the ONLY person that DID move the thread forward in the sense of finding a lynch EOD on both days. But I won't stop you from further embarassing yourself by calling me scum. Oh, so you're saying that leading the shenannies on bats on EoD is moving the thread forward? Ok. Yeah, I'm embarrassed of scumhunting, I apologise. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:54 marvellosity wrote: you can't rest an invisible case. or at least you'll look really weird doing it. I'm pretty sure ninjas takes naps and you still can't see them. | ||
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Because damdred randomly asks people to review his case, which is townie IMO. If he is mafia and he sees the thread being cluttered with useless debate, I don't think he would try to draw attention AND get people to read his case when he can simply let the debate going on. | ||
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"In the street one day I saw you among the crowd In a geometric pattern dressed Gleaming white just as I recall Old as I get I will never forget it at all" | ||
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On January 06 2015 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Well great, now the mafia know not to act scummy from here on! Way to go dumbass! Oh sorry, I thought they shouldn't act scummy the whole game Vivax, Helvetica is a font. | ||
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On January 06 2015 12:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Wow sorry man I didn't mean to call you a dumbass. It was a joke of course they're not supposed to act scummy all game. -.- I just went along with the joke I guess I'm not funny | ||
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On January 06 2015 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Heck yes son. Notice the green headphones and eyes. Kthxbai. | ||
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Palmar is mafia I had a feeling Robik was town but I can totally see Robik and SL on team mafia Vivax is null, gotta re read koshi's case on him because I think koshi was best town 2015 so far. But his effort and titled length makes him more like a town lean. Marv is mafia because he is still alive and JAT isn't. Tbh I simply don't see marv trying too hard to lynch his scumreads. Ritoky is probably town for his analysis. Superbia is town if SL and Robik are mafia. DrH should be jumping in SL's neck for fakeclaiming but he didn't. Leaning scum. Chez is (?). The feeling that TheChyz was mafia against geript and that mafia found a brilliant way to secure a mislynch by moving to bats is real. It gets more real when you consider SL and Robik both as mafia. Also, this team Robik bullshit sucks and Robik was reading palmar as scum if I remember correctly, which made SL getting excited, but now SL puts palmar in the end of his lynch list and Robik simply ignores palmar. Which makes me strongly believe a scum team of Palmar, SL and Robik is real. Then you could throw marv and Chezinu in that and bam: scum team. | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:02 Vivax wrote: Can anyone react to my obviously nonsensical vote please? i'm getting kinda bored. GB it's like whenever I write cases you come in at a certain delay and suspect the same people I do (except Palmar). It was the same with JAT except that your arguments for JAT being scum didn't appear convincing to me. Now I hope you don't take offense if you're town but you seem like a huge parrot of what I say. You basically said "he's scum cause he tries to pull shenannies all the time" without taking into consideration that D2 he posted a good reason to shenanny. No offense taken. But if I'm mafia, agreeing with the top scumread is dumb. | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:12 Vivax wrote: That feel when I have to study and now I'm googling deer faces cause GB said that. The struggle is real | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:14 Damdred wrote: give me 30 to an hour just got gas and on my way to where i'm going and then i'll drop a knowledge bomb of updated reads. Ok deer. Gonna play some Zelda | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:21 KelsierSC wrote: GB, you don't have LM in your list I don't remember exactly why now but he is town | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:00 marvellosity wrote: GB, do you think it's likely Palmar and I are mafia together? Why not? | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:11 marvellosity wrote: can you think of any possible reasons? I'm reading palmar as scum for only that post I've quoted I'm reading you as scum because you had no influence in those lynches + I don't see you actually trying to figure the game out + you're still alive Who are your townreads? I know you have a very good ability to find town | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote: but essentially all your reads are completely made up and you haven't gone back to double check anything like, i get being massively behind and you can't catch up on the thread. but it's like you have these reads without going back and checking anything, at all. like here you're asking me a question that you should absolutely know the answer to give I answered it in list form during the night phase. i can't tell if you're bad enough to scumread me without having read basically most of my filter. i hope not?.. I am. :/ I think I have enough reasons to base a scumread on you. I'm not getting you lynched today though, as I believe palmar is a better lynch. | ||
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Of course. Although Artanis is not the cop | ||
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If I was about to soft claim, I would do it in a less obvious way, or I would simply hard claim. Meh | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: I think I know who the cop is won't out him though he gets a fistbump if I'm right. Let's just not talk about the cop. By the way, going to re read your reads | ||
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Although letting Vivax behind was kinda bad. I know you wrote about him later but it was bad. | ||
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It sounds silly, I know, but if I was running out of time, I would come back later or simply just post the main reads. You posted all of your reads but Vivax and I really can't understand why. | ||
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And I already have a town read on you so, you're town. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: The only one you cared about overall, I think it's clear I was town reading or at least not scrum reading vivax from d2. I was in class I have limited time when I'm there Class or work? | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: It's one and the same this year GB! ARE WE CORRECTLY READING OURSELVES AS TOWN AGAIN? IS IT HAPPENING? | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:30 marvellosity wrote: so stupid. are you mafia or a baddie, GB? you can tell auntie marv. Cuntie marv, I'm town and not baddie. I'm just too deep. Rolling with Adele | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:35 Damdred wrote: GB I thought you said had to lynch vivax today I kinda want to lynch everyone. We can lynch anyone between SL, Vivax and Palmar. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:40 marvellosity wrote: you are a baddie if you're pushing sl. it's silly. at best. Give me one reason why SL is town. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:42 sicklucker wrote: Gb is always baddie so I dont find this particularly scummy You saying this makes my skin crawl. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:45 marvellosity wrote: i've stated it numerous times, and since you've been reading the thread too. Can you do it again so I can be enlighten? | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:52 marvellosity wrote: i'm surrounded by idiots. how am i supposed to determine alignments when so many people push obviously bad things? Being town marvellosity would be a way to determine alignments. But you're not, so... | ||
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Besides that if you look at his play he has developed a few crazy theories and flip flops on people to get reactions and to flush out his reads if you look at student mafia, carol, metal mafia you can see him doing this a ton it is one of the staples of his town game." His play actually looks more like that game where he was mafia with Chezinu. He is not constantly bringing reads or filter diving, he's mostly trolling people, commenting useless stuff, and specially being overconfident. Like, in his town play, his thought process is all over the thread. I don't see it here. Also, cop claiming is a very good 1 for 1 trade for mafia IMO. Someone said that, by the way he asked "who would you check", he could be the cop. THEN he claimed. If a counterclaim happened, the other guy could get lynched instead of SL. So, I think it is an okay 1 for 1 trade. He rescinded the claim later, also, when he got pressured about being he cop. Plus, he was townread by most people, was suspicious of being the cop, but is alive day3 instead of Eden, for example, who was scumread by at least 2 townies (geript and me) | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:00 marvellosity wrote: 1 for 1 is not a good trade what is wrong with you? Not a good trade? For a cop? If he gets counter claimed, he gets the cop lynched. If he doesn't, he stays alive, like he is now. | ||
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I understand what you're saying about the claim but I disagree. Do you have any other arguments? | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:05 marvellosity wrote: ok. this is too painful to read. i'm going to go lick a window or something to improve my mental state Thanks, you're really helping town here. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:06 marvellosity wrote: you're too fucking stupid or too fucking scum to be able to be enlightened. sorry bro. I'm stupid. Can you bother helping me now? | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you have any reason not to want to lynch superbia GB? Yes He is not here And I would expect that lurking mafia would come to the thread to defend himself at this point. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote: Listen I'll explain. SL wasn't really under that much pressure. We had lurker mafia candidates ritoky and superbia on him before the claim who no one was following. A one and one for mafia is horrible here, one because either the lynch was geript or vivax not Sl and soneone. The cop is in a somewhat weakend state due to framer and Miller's in the game. A one and one doesn't help mafia it gives town another mislynch to work with. Here is how I see it: Mafia claims cop Real cop stays quiet but starts to soft mafia is mafia People ignore it Mislynch happens Real cop is dead at night Other way: Cop claims cop Mafia shoots him at night Cop is dead | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote: Eden was the consensus town. You were just at the beach and didnt read that part of the game... Im edens and jats top town. All the scummy people want to kill me anyway. Put this shit together Uhm, no, Eden was scumread by at least 2 people and still mafia should shoot cop instead of vts, so... | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or he's basically conceded because everyone's reading him as scum and he doesn't want to give associations? Do you really believe this, Art? Like, he isn't even the top discussion. Vivax was. I also went through his filter and saw nothing wrong. Gonna read your post. Tbh, at this moment, I just want to sheep koshi on Vivax or VE on Robik. That's all I want to do. I've most interest in the game very quickly and this game is turning into a shitfest :/ | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Justanothertownie - A Eulogy ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EX8VCro.jpg) Can I see another's woe, And not be in sorrow too? Can I see another's grief, And not seek for kind relief? Justanothertownie was a man. A great man. During his short time here in Liquidia he made a sizable contribution to the town. His passing will create a gap that no man can fill. Justanothertownie was, unlike his name implies, not just another townie. He was the greatest townie that this town has ever seen, with miraculous insights that only the greatest of players could have. He was also fearless in his reads. When faced by adversaries, he refused to give in and spread his knowledge amongst all those who wished to listen. Unfortunately, the brightest flames burn out the quickest. JAT's flame has been extinguished, but the memoires of his fire will continue to burn inside all of us. To remind us of his great contributions, I have selected a few of his best posts to be remembered for all eternity. + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it. It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%. A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution. ##Vote Superbia This is your case on Superbia????? | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:34 ritoky wrote: no you're implying in that post that you know vivax's alignment. hence me spamming question marks with bolded vivax name. OH BOY. | ||
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"I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself." What weird stuff? Didn't see it. What is abrasiveness? Is it like... Getting mad? Because if it is, I don't see that much or I simply see it justified. I'm also scumreading SL. His cop claim was off. Day1 cop claim with no reason. Do you see it coming from a blue perspective? I don't. As for someone who was afk, not having a read is okay. I had a town read on geript but I didn't have a read on Vivax at that time. I actually don't know what to do with Vivax, my main reason to want to lynch him is sheeping koshi, who I think was too certain of Vivax being scum. He died night 1 instead of any other power player. So, I think this is weak. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually if Superbia is scum and he's given up like I presumed, it wouldn't make sense for GB to defend him still so either Superbia's still coming back or they're not both scum. Oh I thought it was clear I was town. Lol. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote: Not even close.. you really thought that? Like really? like really? I have so many town traits that I can't imagine being scumread | ||
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Insomnia has got me. I don't have a scumread on them, I've said I'm bored with the game and that I would sheep koshi/VE. Anyway I don't really think Superbia is a good lynch. The guy isn't even here. | ||
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On January 07 2015 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I said it right in the post there. He said he wasn't doing things so he wouldn't get NKed N1. show me the post because I didn't find it. I can't evaluate the weirdness without reading the original content Yes, and there's plenty of it. And all of it is injustified because he's been inactive. Would you be on a high horse when you get called out after having like 6 posts coming into D2? I've never saw anything that overwhelming in his filter. Can you exemplify please? I actually saw him pretty calm debating with robik I don't see it coming from a red perspective. I guess I should brush this off as a bad claim given how many players have gone after it though. So you're saying he is a VT fake claiming? For what reason? This bothers me. I just can't fathom not having opinions on the strongest lead candidates near the end of the day from a town perspective. It just.. huh. Consider a player who hasn't caught up with the thread yet. With massive posts like Vivax, he could easily not have a secure opinion on him. I have a slight townread on Vivax for effort and filter length actually. But that's extremely weak. No u. Yes me On bold | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: Let's start off on the big post by ritoky, and why it's (and by relation, he is) very mafia: Post comes in half-way through the day and he feels confident enough placing everyone in either a mafia or a town pile. Notice how there is literally no town-paranoia whatsoever in this post. This fucking screams TMI/mafia. Bonus scum points for not doing anything with his reads (there's a reason his tunnel on SL got literally no traction, it's because he wasn't really trying). Doesn't even try to interact with others scum-reading the people in his town-list and subsequently one of them being killed off. What happened? Did you end up flipping on them? If so, why? Were you okay with the direction the lynch was going? town post. Correctly analyses ritoky lack of town willingness to solve the game. Clear thought process revealed On January 04 2015 06:07 Superbia wrote: Also LazerMonkey is probably mafia. Starts off tunneling chyz with meh reasons (which is sort of townie). Tunnel starts wearing off and Lazer then gets ninjad by the very same chyz (p33) providing a similar opinion on someone (I think Koshi), which should give an instant town boner. Lazer starts off the very next day by apologizing on tunneling on chyz too hard (#850), which implies chyz is town (TMI). Great, so chyz should be in your town-circle then, right? Nope, when others start pushing hard on chyz, lazer is just like "lol, I guess I'm okay with lynching chyz" (not exact quote). Why the fuck would you ever be okay with lynching chyz after all this? You had the information from pushing him early on. Which, from both an objective perspective and your posts, leads me to believe he was town in your eyes. Original opinion dropped on thread, accurate call on Monkeys contradiction On January 04 2015 09:54 Superbia wrote: I have reviewed the game afterwards to see if I could get some scum-tells for a next game since you were nowhere near my scum-list in that game. The points I went over are the scum-tells I have on you and the points I have extracted from that game. 1. Your opening in russian mafia was remarkably try-hard, like you had something to prove. I remember specifically calling you out for it and finding it sort of scummy at the time. Forgetting about it was a mistake, since you were scum. You did the exact same thing this game (even though I was not around to call you out for it). 2. Looking back at the game, you only had an agenda on the surface. You said a bunch of townie shit and soft-pushed on a number of people with no real followup. In the end (of d1), you made a single case on HF. 3. You only tunneled and hard-pushed on HF during d1, and even this I felt was quickly abandoned as your case gained no traction (you also did not look for it to gain any traction). Admittedly, I only looked at d1 of that game, so I do not particularly recall the whole sn0 business (i.e. who started the push and why). This is not what I call a lack on read on geript On January 05 2015 07:07 Superbia wrote: This is not imperative to my argument. 1. Robik plays in fanfic crossover. Superbia plays in fanfic crossover. Superbia does not play day 1. Robik does not scum-read Superbia for not playing day 1. 2. Robik plays in imperial. Superbia plays in imperial. Superbia does not play day 1. Robik scum-reads Superbia for not playing day 1. Reasonable argument against Robik. Seems to come from an outraged town perspective. He was already asking why he was on Robik's top scumread list. He clearly was having suspicions on Robik having this bought process in mind lazy to look for more, but these things makes me believe that he means town and that he, at the very least, avoiding he the lunch for today. Now, I think Chez is maybe a good lynch, at least for next days. Votecount day1 really reflects to TheChyz being mafia. | ||
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They could very well be mafia together. Also, if chez slot is town, I'd expect mafia to waste their votes and it totally fits this idea. The difficult part is that I find hard to believe bats wagon was pure town. | ||
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Where is DrH? Damdy I've said the possibility of both being mafia together was because Superbia hard scumread ritoky in early game but completely forgot him later, which is weird. | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:14 sicklucker wrote: I mean I could be in the final 4 if mafias stupid and keep me in after their failed atempt to mislynch me. (their trying) Are you the real cop? | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:22 sicklucker wrote: Shhh dont tell mafia There's no doctor anymore. You're dying tonight. Give us your checks | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:16 Vivax wrote: I explained it already. Read the game and report back to me. Nope. Use your cocaine properly and explain again please | ||
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On the wrong way, obviously, but that is not a strong indicative that ritoky is mafia. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:23 Vivax wrote: MARV IM PUSHING YOUR SCUMREAD AND GB IS THICK LIKE RONALD MCDONALD AND YOU DONT LEND ME A HAND. HOW CAN I EVER BELIEVE YOU'RE TOWN. Bring me more compelling facts. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote: Ok I go play some video game that isn't this, I'm not don quichote Of course not, you're Sancho Pansa | ||
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Doctor can't heal the same player on consecutive nights. SL claims day1 Gets healed night1, so that's why mafia shoots Eden and Koshi SL can't be healed night2, gets shot. The world where sicklucker isn't the real cop: He stays alive after night2 The end. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:55 sicklucker wrote: Why are you putting scum on that really bad joke how desperate are you? What I say is true. I do math for a living tho so I dont expect everyone to understand. In the event we have 6 kills and 5 mafia the only chance we have is to sheep players who think they have the game solves. Not scummy guys who want to lynch maybe this guy and maybe him, but then have no idea what to do. Artanis and jat are/were the top town in this game. Everyone sheep them its are only hope Phew, that's a relief | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:57 sicklucker wrote: Like how does it matter if im cop right now? Mafia might not know town doesint no and no ones ever gonna listen to my checks. This makes no sense from a town perspective. | ||
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TOLD YOU MARV. | ||
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On January 08 2015 02:22 sicklucker wrote: Also are you fishing for a cop? No, I'm doubting you're the cop and if you are town you're gonna get killed tonight anyway because there is no more medic in the game. You know that so you should be doing your best to clarify your checks and come clean. But you're not doing it. | ||
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Can we lynch him now, marv? | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:27 IAmRobik wrote: I think since I'm getting so much resistance on lynching vivax (which seems fucking impossible for some fucking reason -- probably because there are a lot of mafia and some mafia-siding townies), I want to audible and lynch gb today The flame. I can feel it starting. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:28 Vivax wrote: HOW ISNT IT RELEVANT WHAT THEIR KP IS. WE NEED TO KNOW IF THEIR VIG USED THE SHOTS, which means KP is 1. If he didn't, KP Was 2. YOU ALL MAKE ZERO SENSE. This is irrelevant for the lynch, stop wasting towns time with this | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:29 IAmRobik wrote: And just too happy in general this game + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/020/f/d/flame_on_fire_by_scharx-d4n0upv.jpg) | ||
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ONE REASON For why I'm mafia. ONE REASON. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote: First guy to wonder what the scum KP even is. This makes me want to lynch you, actually. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:51 IAmRobik wrote: why do i need to question him. HE FUCKING CLAIMED COP! Are we living on different planets? Unless you're going to counterclaim him, or unless someone does, I'm not gonna sit here and even consider lynching him. He just said he isn't hard claiming He just contradicted his checks, like laser monkey pointed out. He isn't even coming up clean. WTF Robik | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:54 IAmRobik wrote: well then the real cop should fucking claim with his checks and then i'll make some sort of decision. I don't know what you want from me. I want you to push contradictions the way you normally do. You made it possible for sicklucker to claim in the first place. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:56 IAmRobik wrote: you're too happy you also decided that i was town yesterday and were wanting to be part of #teamrobik. and all of a sudden without any prompting you changed your mind on me. mafia needs mislynches. So you think reevaluating reads is scummy, specially after analysing vote counts? I simply said the game is boring and that I wanted to sheep dead townies. You're just trying to read me as scum with fabricated reads. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:58 IAmRobik wrote: how did i make this possible? He started with the cop talk. I just pushed it further because I thought that the discussion could be interesting. Apparently no one agreed, and the conversation died. By saying that he could be cop for a stupid question, you've made possible for him to claim cop in a safe spot. Meh. The point is still you're not pushing sicklucker's contradictions. | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:34 sicklucker wrote: @palmer I happen to know at least some mafia called me scum and pushed me with no cc at all points of the game because of poe so calling gb town for that is probably not a good idea And how do you know? | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Because fucking 5 people did it and two of them are ritoky and super who are like confirmed? LOL THERE'S NOTHING CONFIRMED IN THEM WHARRGARBL | ||
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There it is. Now please, give us your checks. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:47 sicklucker wrote: So like im confirmed in both worlds moving on. I cant wait to die tonight Neither do I | ||
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But he isn't actively trying to solve the game. His thoughts aren't well explicit in the thread. He could be mafia, yes. He is more of a null than scum here. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:52 Vivax wrote: Dude ritoky hinted at being cop so early by bringing up the framer part, which makes him very likely to be cop unless he thinks that he was the lynch of the day that very moment. Plus he doesn't claim to have a red check get a better push going than simply leaving behind a guy "green, but could be framed". Robik is still going nuts over this with no CC in sight, and I don't trust this guy to be doing it for towns sake. Like, the only thing that made me think he was town is that he claimed he was sure somebody else would be cop. Now that this is still not in sight, I'll go back to thinking Robik is scum trying his best to get our cop under suspicion. Maybe one of his team will fake-counterclaim later. Where is the hint thing? | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:54 IAmRobik wrote: VIVAX IS RITOKY'S SCUM BUDDY. THAT'S WHY RITOKY PUTS REALLY BAD FUCKING VOTES ON VIVAX EVERY CHANCE HE GETS IN SCENARIOS WHERE VIVAX IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED! YAY. SOLVING THE GAME! This is accurate. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:58 ritoky wrote: i think 2 out of the 3 of SL, robik, and damdred are mafia; i have been repeatedly stating it all phase. this is based on the day 1 lynch and how many towns were on it. i cannot believe it was entirely town. as of right now (might be the omgus in me) i am inclined to believe it is robik and SL Stop. STOP DON'T DO THIS TO MY MIND | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:04 IAmRobik wrote: Oh yeah? Why is my claim trash. Please point to any discrepancies in my claim. Go ahead big boy. Here's your time to shine as 'the real cop" Because you instantly believed SL claim. Sorry, I fell asleep | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: GB what do you think of lazer hopping on super with his top scum read like this after hard defending super on d2 I think it was and then saying this cycle that super shouldn't be the lynch at all? I think super is a mislynch mafia is looking after. Therefore is scummy | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:00 KelsierSC wrote: Mod vote count please You're not the cop? | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:03 sicklucker wrote: Like this guy is confirmed mafia if robiks vt. Like I dont think he believes what hes saying Nope he isn't. This is the exact thought that came to my mind | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:04 IAmRobik wrote: dafuq? No I didn't. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM. Oh so you accepting him to the team Robik bullshit isn't believing his claim? It is you noticing he was lying? | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:41 IAmRobik wrote: Kill GB at some point too. That's more like it | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:45 sicklucker wrote: I think the mafia team is palmer,ritoky,super,gb,vivax You're stupid, then. I want to hard lynch palmar and I'm voting ritoky, I also tried to lynch Vivax day1 and I'm still ok with his lynch. | ||
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On January 08 2015 13:03 IAmRobik wrote: GO HOME GB, YOU'RE DRUNK M going home My reads are better when I'm drunk Lunch marv | ||
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Stupid GB it seems | ||
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Gone away from me (x2) You know you've done me wrong Oh, you'll be sorry someday | ||
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probably dying tonight lol | ||
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On January 08 2015 21:43 KelsierSC wrote: probably artanis dies tonight DP hasnt even read the game so why would they kill him Because reasons. | ||
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Town after today. | ||
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On January 08 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote: Then why don't you think he's dying tonight, or why don't you wonder why he's alive after 2 nights. Because extreme WIFOM lol | ||
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He isn't dying tonight because mafia wants to WIFOM the shit out of him. They want you to exactly think that he is scum because he is still alive. That's why he won't die tonight, and DP will | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:27 marvellosity wrote: I mean, for the uneducated, it's very easy (apart from some of the various compelling points made, like the retardedness of checking a rival cop claim) you open Robik's filter and ask yourself "is this guy trying to figure out the game in some way?" then you do the same with ritoky's filter ??? profit Same could be said about you. Just sayin. | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:11 sicklucker wrote: Yo im gonna be pretty drunk tonight. Gb where you at maybe I can finally figure you out At home | ||
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On January 09 2015 11:48 Vivax wrote: I'm so sad DP wasn't in DrH's slot from the start, He's like my personal jesus atm. He's my personal Chuck Norris | ||
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That explains a lot! | ||
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Those people SL and Robik pointed out? Anyway, I'm sheeping DP forevermore | ||
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Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1 Which means Chyz is town | ||
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Too many null on batsnacks wagon. | ||
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Please answer this. It is of extreme relevance. | ||
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Laser monkey is 100% scum | ||
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On January 10 2015 04:58 Damdred wrote: Who's still null scummy on batsnacks wagon GB. I'm gonna write an analysis after Vivax answer. But I'm confident I'm getting closer to the scum team. | ||
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If you want to help me finding scum, I need you to summarise it for me. | ||
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On January 10 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: correct plus his rage quit can only be from a town as I have explained. No, it was koshi who stated that day1 and that's an okay reason to townread him. But if you consider he was voting himself, and that if his rage quit was fake, he could simply change votes to the second wagon (town geript) There was no need for that, as the bats shenannies went on. TheChyz is probably mafia. Which could make Helvetica town. | ||
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On January 10 2015 07:50 sicklucker wrote: So hum gb is trying to kill confirmes we still kill him soon Explain to me why he's confirmed. Simply explain to me. | ||
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On January 10 2015 08:29 Vivax wrote: Are you mafia? During the night I remember you saying "I'll sheep the fuck out of DP", did you forget he's the replacement for DrH? Massive blooper right there son. Well, I am sheeping because I think he is town. But I have to evaluate the whole slot and I'm doing vote count analysis. There is a small possibility that he is mafia. If you think I'm mafia because I'm always reevaluating opinions, then go ahead and vote me. | ||
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Like, he was strong scumreading TheChyz | ||
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On January 10 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote: Myself and drh went around fir awhile about it. He had second thoughts and scrum read bats I believe. This feels like bullshit. Anyway this thing of coloring people bored me. Gonna do the full analysis tomorrow. The most important is why I read Lazermonkey as mafia. On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote sons ritoky (5): vivax (0): marvellosity (): Lazermonkey (): Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey sicklucker (): glowingbear (): Palmar (): Damdred (): [b]IAmRobik[b] (2): ritoky, Superbia Superbia is lynched. 1) Superbia, instead of voting ritoky to save himself, voted Robik, wasting his vote. 2) Lazermonkey was the last voter on Superbia, hammering him. This makes me conclude this: A) mafia!Ritoky is more valuable than mafia!Superbia. scumVigi already wasted his two shots. Therefore, Ritoky is the framer and was kept alive to frame someone in case Robik wasn't really the cop. B) As the main wagons were mafia, someone had to hammer Superbia to guarantee he was the lynch, and that person was Lazermonkey. Therefore, Lazermonkey is mafia saving Ritoky. C) There are two votes wasted on Robik because town could change from Superbia to Ritoky. That way, they could get back to Superbia and hammer him, which makes me believe there are more townies on Ritoky than on Superbia. C is kinda WIFOMish and I have to put better thoughts in that by analysing the other days votecounts. But A and B are strong. This is the EXACT thing that happened on Christmas Carol, where mafia kept Holyflare alive because he was the roleblocker. | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote: A few questions GB Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer? Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change? It makes lazermonkey town. Ritoky must be lynched today anyway, there is no motive for Superbia to waste his vote if ritoky was town. | ||
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For someone who has being scumreading ritoky for so long, he wasn't one to try to make people to lynch his obvious scum target. Which just looks like someone who is bussing knowing another target will die. | ||
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Who was strongly scumreading Superbia? | ||
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I'd lynch Artanis. | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:16 Damdred wrote: That damdred guy kel and art pushed pretty decently Also I wasn't saying what if rit isn't mafia what if he isn't framer does that change anything I answered that. It makes Lazer possible town. | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:20 Damdred wrote: Oh lol I thought the second sentence was that answer. I need to reread artanis but I'm not sure atm. Tell me why you scrum read art Someone was scumreading Superbia really out of the blue. I'm kinda bored to look for the guy who specifically asked me if I couldn't see Superbia as mafia. It really caught my eyes but I don't remember who it was. | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:26 Damdred wrote: Which day GB I'll do the legwork I don't remember either T.T But I saw one post from Artanis that reveals he was really wanting Superbia's lynch out of the blue. Do you need me to quote it? | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:33 DarthPunk wrote: Hey glowingbear, You know how you said you would sheep the fuck out of me? Welll..... I wanna lynch you cause I think you are mafia. So please. Sheep me. K You think I'm wrong? | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:41 Vivax wrote: I think he might have caught up on this. It's just weird that you would use Chyz's alignment to then post what you think of a slot of a guy who you townread during the night already. It's like, why do you think and post about that if you already decided that DP is town. It's like you only wrote it cause in the specific moment you thought about TheChyz you also thought about Drh's alignment and the logical conclusion. But you didn't need to post that conclusion cause you made it a night ago. You didn't have to tell to yourself why DrH was town but you still did. Something is just wrong there bro. So, this makes me mafia because...? | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:40 DarthPunk wrote: Not necessarily, I've thought you were scummy for a while though. I guess if you stepped up your play I may change my mind. I'm extremely uninvolved with this game and I can't really understand why. I'm not going to do much hardwork. If you think I should be lynched, okay. But I'm town and you'll be wasting a lynch. I have some signals that I'm town. I could show you but I don't think that's really my job... | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:03 DarthPunk wrote: No, why would proving your alignment be your job? that is just ridiculous. It always seems forced when someone tries to prove his towniness. It always looks forced and it also reveals self consciousness, which could result on people saying that I did things on purpose to gain towncred. Anyway, one motive is that ritoky read me as town out if the blue in his first list post not be have, when it was impossible to discover my alignment | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:12 DarthPunk wrote: The reason I am Leaning towards scum on Glowing bear was firstly, Stating that he would sheep the most ill informed person in the game several times rubs me the wrong way. It shows that he doesn;t really care about this game and that kind of disinterest is commonly a scum trait. Then I skimmed his filter and he was not very useful and again it looked like he was just coasting along criminally disinterested. Then all these scrubs in this game start posting these 'Auto-Win' Lynch lists and glowing bear is not a very prominent lynch candidate for no clear reason. Basically this guy is coasting under the radar, not invested or interested in solving the game, Says he will sheep me even though I have stated many times I am not going to read like 300 pages of the game, [b]Then thinks the person whom the he wants to sheep replaced is still in the game.[/b{ All of this just looks to me like classic signs of a disinterested scum player, not giving a fuck and trying to fly under the radar. Hmm I've never said the bolded? | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:18 DarthPunk wrote: So you don;t want to prove your towniness because it might make you look scummy? Nope. Because I can't prove my towniness if my reasoning seems forced. Simply as that | ||
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I'm talking about the slot? I've said repeated times that I was analysing vote counts | ||
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If Superbia was mafias choice to die, what s in motive did I HS e to defend Superbia? | ||
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What is the scum motive to push the thread forward? | ||
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What is my scum motivation to draw attention to me when I already contributed and still got under the radar? | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:27 DarthPunk wrote: Come on now. Do you really think your contributions before our conversation had any more value than a token effort to ensure you are able to make the very argument you are now making? HAHAHAHAHAHA See? This is exactly what I said it was going to happen. Answer: yes, because I'm not being strongly scum read, I had no motive to gain towncred with it. I'm also giving another scum, lazermonkey, on a silver platter | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:31 DarthPunk wrote: Because not posting anything has an expiry date. You needed to do SOMETHING in order to make yourself at least appear to be somewhat useful, Flying under the radar is not doing nothing at all. Flying under the radar is doing just enough to not be a target whilst not actually being productive. This definition applies to you perfectly, because A.) you were not a target really at all and B.) you were not being productive really at all. Until I called you out you were actually flying under the radar perfectly. The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write. I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so. I've being scumreading them since the beginning. I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town? The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum. | ||
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On January 10 2015 11:35 DarthPunk wrote: This post is filled with mafia thinking. Townies don't try and Acquire 'towncred' only when they have a 'motive' to not be 'scum read'. That is in fact EXACTLY what scum do. I would not be surprised if Lazer monkey is also scum along with you. So yes you truly could be giving us 'another scum' that is not you. My thanks. I'm trying to solve the game, not to gain towncred. I said through a mafia perspective. If I'm not being scumread, I don't have to try to gain towncred. In fact, this is exactly what you said. And is exactly what I did. And you're still scumreading me | ||
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So you called me out BEFORE I said lazermonkey is mafia and before I've bounced reads with damdred? My arguments why I'm town are perfectly reasonable. I've said that it would look forced. And see? There you are discrediting everything I've brought. Everything I've brought was me not caring to survive. I even said to you that I voluntarily tried to draw attention to my reads, which isn't trying to survive. I'm telling you that I'm scumreading people that calls me town. Is this trying to survive to you? I tried to show you why I'm town and there you are with this forced bullshit. | ||
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Marv, it made sense a scum team of SL and Robik to me, after a Robik flip, it's weird that SL sheeped Robik if he is mafia. I still don't know who the last mafia are. SL isn't under my radar. But I think there are better lynch targets. Marv, I wouldn't flip my read on Lazer after a vote count analysis without being pushed just to gain towncred. Come one. If I gain that much towncred I die at night. I only survive if I am mafia. And I'll e obvious mafia after that. You do understand how this is a town play and not a mafia play, I know you do. | ||
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There is no motive for Superbia to not hammer ritoky. Neither there is a motive to ritoky to waste his vote on Robik. | ||
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On January 11 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote: yeah i don't think mafia thought that superbia was saveable one way or another tbh. I think they probably just wanted to out the cop. GB what are you getting at with your last post there? You mean Super would hammer ritoky if ritoky wasn't framer? Yes. Or if ritoky was town. Like, marv, Robik would get shot at night. This makes ritoky auto-scumread by people. With Superbia lunching ritoky, people would still have to discuss if he is scum today | ||
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Now that he isn't the cop, it's really bizarre the way he was interested in it. It felt like blue fishing, just like he way he did with Marley role on Christmas Carol | ||
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On January 11 2015 06:40 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm like 95% sure ritoky would have been lynched today even if Robik wasn't shot today. You don't understand Superbia had a motive to lynch even mafia!ritoky because it would be more beneficial to the team today. It would be harder to prove that Siperbia is scum. It leaves just one option: ritoky is the framer | ||
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On January 11 2015 06:46 Vivax wrote: Yes makes sense to want to keep the framer alive then but shoot the cop. Pointless discussion. They were not sure who the cop was | ||
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YOU THINK I'D TRY TO PUSH MY SCUMPARTNER AFTER HE FUCKING HAMMERED A MAFIA? LIKE WHAT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS USING INSTEAD OF ALCOHOL???? | ||
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There is another theory The theory is that they thought Robik wasn't really the cop and killing him would make ritoky look good MEGALOL | ||
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On January 11 2015 08:03 Vivax wrote: You can't confirm somebody based on assumptions like those. You cited Carol mafia but that was an entirely different situation. HF was a roleblocker, not a framer, and a much better player than the other guy, that's why all scum conceded once HF died. YOur example is that mafia saved ritoky to keep a framer alive to frame somebody in the next night when they kill the cop anyway. Scum conceded because vote count solved the game. Scum conceded because they were caught in multiple ways. One way was the present mechanic in which I revealed Xatalos was mafia because Holyflare didn't want to say to who he sent the present. I also revealed that holyflare was the roleblocker before he flipped So yes, I like my theories. | ||
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Whoever builds a scum team with me LM and palmar is stupid. Sorry. It had to be said. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote: Like your still dying at some point in this game. All I care about is the order. I said id kill palmer lm and gb before you. Thats a big jump I have a bad feeling regarding damdred also. Bah, I can't decide myself on whoever are the last 2 scums | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:50 Vivax wrote: I'm not dying this game. Sorry mate. DP townread me as hard as he possibly could and his word is worth more than that of a chaotic loon. Lol this reminds me of AD&D somehow | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:52 Vivax wrote: Read Damdred's EoD 2. Then tell me again why you have a bad feeling. I've been reading him as town. But he has been extremely disinterested into solving the game. I mean, we've finally lynched a mafia, but he makes no further attempt to solve things. He only asks questions with no actual follow up / clear intention to reach somewhere. This is his scum meta. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:54 Vivax wrote: What's AD & D. What'S your read on sicklucker? At least Lazer had the courage to post some sort of committment on him when I spammed reasons for why he looks like scum. I've been reading him as scum but now I think he is probably town. Filter length, paranoia, too busy trying to get an universal townread, no real scum motive to sheep Robik. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:56 Vivax wrote: The scum meta I know is that he says he wants to do things and then you don't see him trying to do things. Here he clearly wanted to lynch super, on D2, when scum had a geript counterwagon. I'll have to re read it. | ||
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On January 12 2015 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GB: Pls respond Marv: I want to know why you haven't been willing to call Palmar scum when you've provided clear guidelines in the past for what makes him scum. I've said after that something like "nevermind, there are a lot of nulls there" | ||
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On January 12 2015 00:34 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why your obvious reaction was that they didn't think Rob was cop? Looked like a sac play to me I've said it before, but again Scum didn't hammer ritoky when they could. I thought it was because he was the framer, but he flipped goon. It means that they would try to sustain ritoky's copclaim. It doesn't make sense to kill the real cop. Therefore, my conclusion is that they shot Robik expecting he would flip VT so ritoky could follow on with his claim | ||
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Superbia could have saved himself by voting ritoky and gaining towncred. That's my main issue with the Votecount | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:01 Damdred wrote: I'd have to look at timing but didn't super vote after he had 6 on him? So needed two votes? It could have been done. If you think he couldn't, you have to explicitly admit Superbia's wagon was pure town. Which leaves last mafias on ritoky's wagon. If there's only marv, palmar and me alive on that wagon, your theory is wrong because I'm town. | ||
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On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote sons ritoky (5): vivax (0): marvellosity (): Lazermonkey (): Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey sicklucker (): glowingbear (): Palmar (): Damdred (): [b]IAmRobik[b] (2): ritoky, Superbia Superbia is lynched. There are two GBs voting ritoky and Vivax is striked out she. He was voting sicklucker. Come on. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: I'm at work so slow at times. I don't want to claim in case I can cc later and scrum has fake claims prolly Claims are not relevant as we have repeated roles for people, as it just happened. Slam is genius. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:42 sicklucker wrote: Also its kind of too easy. I dont want mass claims its probably broken Now this is stupid because you're scumreading me because of claims. Which makes me put you back to null | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:44 sicklucker wrote: Your not even scum for this. Just your general play. Does it really take you 360 pages to figure out im town. It would take a lifetime because you always mess up | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore? What initial question ? | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote: I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things. You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea. Scumhunting never ceases. You could continue to push him. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring. I don't remember it anymore lol I'm fed up with this game But you can answer it if you want | ||
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Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated? | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure what I think about it. I doubt either wagon is pure town or pure scrum though So you have to admit mafia preferred Superbia's death. Which means Vivax is more likely to be scum because he wasted his vote too, and that you certainly have at least 1 mafia on Superbia's wagon and that there is a possibility that ritoky's wagon was pure town. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. | ||
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On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote sons ritoky (5): vivax (0): marvellosity (): Lazermonkey (): Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey sicklucker (): glowingbear (): Palmar (): Damdred (): [b]IAmRobik[b] (2): ritoky, Superbia Superbia is lynched. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:59 DarthPunk wrote: Or all the scum were already voting rikoty. Your theory stinks of extra information. I've answered that too. The exact same sentence you've made now. Lol. | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:57 Lazermonkey wrote: GB, what do you think about this now that ritoky did not flip framer? This was before I thought about the scenario where mafia didn't really believed Robik was cop and was trying to guarantee ritoky's claim on the next day. So, you're still scum to my eyes. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then? | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted? A self vote is too obvious, cmon | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh right that would look pretty bad yeah. If they really wanted Ritoky dead though at the very least Superbia would be voting him. This is exactly what I'm saying o.o | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:34 Lazermonkey wrote: waitwat? Do you REALLY believe this? I mean, alot of people was unsure about who was cop between Robik and ritoky but scum knew that ritoky was scum, so they shouldn't have been unsure at all. Kelsier was hinting he was the cop, so was SL. The fact that SL didn't die night2, btw, is odd | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: GB weren't you town reading palmar Never | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:49 Lazermonkey wrote: Lol, yhea but we are talking about D3 now. Kel didn't claim cop. Robik did. Do you really think that scum thought that anyone but Robik was cop? I mean, he obviously wasn't modconfirmed but he was really fucking likely to be cop at that point. After saying to marv that he would fake claim he was the cop the get ritoky lunched, his claim was pretty unclear. | ||
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No, this is me trying to get an answer from Artanis | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:49 Lazermonkey wrote: Lol, yhea but we are talking about D3 now. Kel didn't claim cop. Robik did. Do you really think that scum thought that anyone but Robik was cop? I mean, he obviously wasn't modconfirmed but he was really fucking likely to be cop at that point. I hate the way you dismiss the SL thing and it makes me wonder if he could be scum with you | ||
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On January 12 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote: I checked lm and I changed my check to dandred because all the scummy people knew my claim was bullshit This post makes no sense. | ||
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On January 12 2015 14:05 sicklucker wrote: Ok so now I can actually kill people. Theres too many people I want to kill im like a kid in a candy store. Why the hell did darthpunk die I dont get it. Probably wifmo I doubt his reads are ever better then mine and artanis in a 360 page game he didnt read. Too much confidence and too defensive. The way you say "why am I still alive" sounds extremely forced. | ||
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On January 12 2015 22:55 sicklucker wrote: let me dumb it down for you. Ritoky and super instantly knew my claim was bs while everyone else thought it was real so I think LM was on their team. So why are you disagreeing with me about LM trying to gain towncred hammering Superbia and why aren't you voting him/pushing him right now? If you fake claim a green check on a scum, they know your claim is fake and they don't have to waste a bullet on you. This is what you're trying to say, right? Because this is exactly what I've thought in case you're actually town. But there is a lack of push on LM. Why? | ||
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On January 12 2015 22:54 sicklucker wrote: Gb and vivax are basically claiming their mafia agenda whenever they try to put scum on me SL, if you're town you're so stupid it hurts. If you were this townie as you think you are, scum wouldn't push you, they would kill you at night. Jesus Christ, man. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:49 Lazermonkey wrote: Lol, yhea but we are talking about D3 now. Kel didn't claim cop. Robik did. Do you really think that scum thought that anyone but Robik was cop? I mean, he obviously wasn't modconfirmed but he was really fucking likely to be cop at that point. The bolded response looks like a hard deflection. | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:06 marvellosity wrote: come on, GB. A hard deflection? I don't think anyone was massively surprised at the n2 kills, so it wasn't anything at all that needed deflecting. sl: hold on to me tight, i promise everything will be ok If I say something is odd and the guy just say "yes but let's not talk about it" is a deflection. It doesn't matter if night2 kills where not a surprise. The guy is dismissing an important fact. He agrees with me, marv. If he thought like you, he would say "I disagree, night kills were perfectly done" | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote: well, it could be read that he is dismissing a fact that he doesn't see as particularly important after all. i'm not sure how much you can read into someone going "lol, yeah" when what you mentioned was only really a sidepoint to the main topic at the time Add that to the lack of push from SL to LM. SL, who thought that mafia not shooting him night2 implies he green checked a scum. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reading through his filter in the Russian Today game he looked like he had a bunch of random questions without much purpose either. They seem to be rhetorical rather than clarifying in nature though. A few examples: Hm. The thing is that he doesn't do anything with those questions. There is a pattern on damdreds play which is clearly trying to solve the game. He gathers information and post a long post trying to solve it. I don't see it here. Specially late game, I don't think he is one to be so passive like he is now. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:45 sicklucker wrote: Actually two people in this game avoid alot of scrutiny by putting scum on me even tho the other 9 players all said there dumb and to stop (gb,vivax) This doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote: Chez is also my friend, and he has also said some very townie things which is hard for him to do. Like? | ||
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On January 13 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote: I just read through GBs filter and I seriously have absolutely no idea why he thinks that I am scum. Can someone read his filter and help me out here? Hammering Superbia. Period. | ||
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I won't even be mad if you guys lynch me because I understand I'm not playing optimal. But this game, I don't know... It bored me. In a way I can't get involved. I can't stop thinking LM is mafia and I'll be voting him, though. But in the end I may sheep koshi/Robik into Vivax because koshi has got swag or marv into palmar because if r gets palmar wrong we just lynch him next day. | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:15 Damdred wrote: At least give us reads or somethin gb? I can't say much, really. If you want, I can make a list post of impressions. But strong reads, I have none. I had a strong read on DP but he's dead now. Sicklucker is really difficult, I think his confidence matches his scum play. He is confident as town but not as confident as he is here. I don't think as town he is this confident to even call people dumb. Also, his defense to why he is town seems a little bit forced, specially after DP died. That reaction was shit, IMO. If you read Titanic MS Paint, this thing that mafia is trying to get him lynched and yadda yadda is all over the thread. Specially when getting into LYLO. Also, damdy, nightkills were pro if marv is town. Mafia avoided every doctor save. I bet there is a vet in the mafia team. The question is: who? I mean, with the day1 kills, I bet doctor tried to save marv. Mafia avoiding killing mafia to kill EDEN is pro play if marv is town. | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:48 Lazermonkey wrote: So I'm not a strong scum read after all? Nope. You're my best read, that's all, because it makes sense under my theory mafia didn't know Robik was really the cop. | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote: GB marv mafia? Could it be this easy? Uhm what? | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:54 Lazermonkey wrote: Thats like... Not the impression you get from reading those posts. And why would you base everything on the fact that scum didn't know Robik was the cop? I have already explained why I think this is an insanely unlikely scenario but even then, this is crazy wifom. Best scenario through my POV | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:00 Vivax wrote: I don't know how you could make that mistake GB. What mistake godammit | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote: THe mafia avoiding killing mafia (marv) is pro What about it? Do you think this is a slip? | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:08 Vivax wrote: Not sure that's why I ask how you did that mistake. Typing it wrong? I mean, how am I suppose to answer this lol | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:10 Vivax wrote: Maybe you forgot to switch modes between alignment and name for a moment, and instead only wrote the alignment for the corresponding name. Something like that. Probably. I think marv could be scum. | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:12 Lazermonkey wrote: You are sure I am scum = best case scenario? The backpaddel is real... Yes | ||
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Vivax, you have seen me playing as scum. You know I'm not like this. But anyway, I can't blame you guys. | ||
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Palmar, would you lynch Artanis? LM, would you lynch marv? LM, would you lynch Palmar? Artanis, would you lynch marv? Damdred, would you lynch marv? | ||
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But I know I'm lacking a good play. I know I'm lacking involvement. Haven't made a case the whole game because I'm not involved into filter diving and everything. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No further questions your honour. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/f/f1/Phoenix_Wright.png) | ||
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On January 13 2015 10:09 Chezinu wrote: Damdred and KelsierSC are a team guys! A team of...? And why? | ||
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On January 13 2015 10:17 Chezinu wrote: Damdead and KelsierSC would know. Do you believe in Highway 111? Do you believe in the Bank? The bank almost got me last game, I'm not sure if I believe the bank I don't know who highway 111 is | ||
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On January 13 2015 10:26 Chezinu wrote: You see mafia this game had a shot that did not go according to everyone's plans. This rage can be seen. Anger is revealing. Ritoky knew about this. He tried coping with humor. That is where is caught my attention. Are you talking about Robik? I see no association between SL and Damdred | ||
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It was between LM and Damdred. | ||
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On January 13 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: GB - do you have any towngames where you are disaffected with the progress of the game? No. Maybe 2p2 Werewolf after some point. I don't know what's going on, really. This is unprecedented. But marv, you saying that I didn't bring things that makes me townie is I fair. I made a post streak of what I think are town traits in this game. It started after DP decided to push me. | ||
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On January 13 2015 12:57 Vivax wrote: What's the matter with Damdred Damdred. Isn't it enough he was the biggest pusher for super on D2? He also kept asking me to look at his VE case at the start of the day. Like, this guy really believes what he writes, he ain't scum, and now do some real work. U scum with Palmar and marv, teddy? Your reaction to this is odd since I've made the same post regarding other players and you weren't jumping to their defense like you are here. Now, marv and palmar, care to answer? Damdy, I've already said you're null and I've already explained why you has town facets and why you have scum facets. | ||
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On January 13 2015 22:25 Damdred wrote: Why though? Palmars read on me is clear in thread for days in on his scum list, Marv thinks its suicide for me to push super like I did. This is in the thread. Why does it matter what they say gb You know my meta well enough to know why I'm asking them. Let them answer and I'll come back to the thread with some reads. | ||
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Where's marv and palmar? I need my answer o.o | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's probably the lighting. Is there any reason we shouldn't lynch you today GB? Yes I'm town | ||
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I think the scum team is Damdred, LM and one of Marv and Palmar. Damdred, at this point, should be much more inquisitive and much more insightful than he is now. More than this, he should be on my neck for not posting what he calls that are my town traits. I haven't made a single case in this game and Damdred should wanting me dead for it. He isn't doing it now. Moreover, it makes sense if LM is scum because Damdred is very wishy washy against him. He calls LM scum but doesn't even have he guts to vote him. This sounds so much like Avogadros Mafia Damdred on LYLO. Now, between marv and palmar. I find it extremely weird that they reciprocally scumread each other but votes ritoky together. Why are they voting with their scumreads? These pushes between each other feels fake. They could be scum together (marv back pedalling on palmar NOW is extremely weird). To be honest, a way to discover marv's alignment is to lynch Palmar. I think marv knows this and back pedalled on Palmar now because of this. That being said, I really believe the best lynch today should be marv. It will reveal palmar's alignment and I think, from the vets, marv has more probability to flip scum. I'm considering that we have a mafia vet because night kills were perfect. Doctor probably tried to save marv day1 and sick avoided the kill. Which means marv is scum or scum is pro and avoided the marv's protection. In any case, there is a vet on the mafia side. And the probability of this vet being marv is higher. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Any reason that doesn't require us to have perfect information? Yes I'm town For every town trait regarding me I've brought to the thread + you can't actually put me in any scum team that makes sense. | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:48 Damdred wrote: Are you fucking stupid GB? Wishy washy about lm? Are you serious? Yes I'm serious and yes you're mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:49 Lazermonkey wrote: You know that a person isn't really reading the game when they have me and Damdred in the same scum team. Just sayin' Lol he didn't make any real attempt to get you lynched, man. It's easy to call a partner mafia but staying in the background and not leading the lynch | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:51 Damdred wrote: GB logic, damdred is scum but Marv should be the lynch! Oh wait palmar said yes lets do damdred instead. Puts no reads into game at all before this and waits to sheep palmar. Palmar saying "yes" to your lynch means he is not scum with you, if you flip red. It will reveal his alignment and we will be able to lynch marv tomorrow | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote: Actually let's just do this. Like what I said on night... 2? is still relevant. Marv 100% knew I wasn't afraid to push him, I was just uncertain. I've questioned all my reads this game. I'm not good enough to be right on everything every game. Marv SHOULD by now have an opinion on me stronger than meh. If he thinks I'm mafia, so be it, but at least he should sort of think that. The problem is he sort of is okay with townreading me but doesn't really commit to it. ##vote marvellosity Oh no... | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:55 Damdred wrote: This is such a stupid statement GB. GB wanting to information lynch instead of actually scum hunt that's great Nope damdy. I'm trying to kill scum AND get information. It's totally different. | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote: This is so silly. He made several heavy posts since D1 about me being scum. He still thinks I am scum. He seems pretty willing to lynch me. I was, untill recently, also pushing him and calling him scum alot. Bussing is a thing. But that type of hard core bussing I don't think I've ever seen. I've seen in Hearthstone Mafia. I just said at the beginning of the day that I was certain you are scum, and he made no move to lynch you. He isn't even voting. Come on! | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote: GB you weren't doing anything and soon as someone said yes you jumped on it not really original since you parroted parts of palmar He ninja'd me | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:07 marvellosity wrote: is this for real? you asked me for my read, I gave it, then I backed up my reasons for the read. Why would I come across as unnaturally certain if I'm not certain? Explain I don't have reads on damdred = won't lynch I think he is scum = lynch Instead, you gave a really unclear answer. But the lynch today should be damdred. I've played with damdred a lot and I'm positive he is mafia. | ||
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I'm with my doctor here. He's checking my blood pressure. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.oaklandaudiology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/baby-doctor-bear.jpg) It's high. He recommended me to vote Palmars in case a Palmar does not sheep me It has nothing to do with terrorism. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:31 marvellosity wrote: No, I think he's pushing mislynches. Two of them. And fucking please, you know what i'm like when people are pushing me. do you remember the game you made me ragequit from? Oh so damdred is town? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:55 marvellosity wrote: pretty doubtful, unless something comes up that's better than what i've seen. to an extent I agree with Plam that Damdred has been less assertive than I might expect, but the difference is nowhere near what i'm seeing. his push on Superbia d2 was pretty good and actually quite assertive, in some ways it was bad luck (?) that it didn't yield results that day. Also similarly with his VE push (even though wrong) and a couple of little things like how he questioned sl on his greencheck on him Does this looks clear to you? | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:39 KelsierSC wrote: GB, and palmar I guess. so if you read ritoky he buddies with LM and calls Damdred Scum quite early. Damdred also votes on super d2 and d3. Then you look at the fact that dam also late votes on bats when the wagons where both town d1. Do you really think through all that , that Dam is scum? How do you know day1 wagons were both town? | ||
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Nope, bats was shenannies. It was between TheChyz and Geript. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote: I'm really frustrated now I pushed super more than art did and I didn't do anything but background. I don't care how much anyone pushed an afk mafia. This sounds exactly like Lord Tolkien on Hearthstone. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:54 Palmar wrote: tbh if I'm wrong it's because I haven't read the game. Also I don't like people calling me mafia, so I call the mafia back. That's another disclaimer. basically there are about million excuses as to why I'm wrong this game, and none of it is my fault. ... PALMAR YOU CAN NEVER POST HARD STANCES POSTS AND COME WITH THIS BULLSHIT POST NOW WHARRGARBL | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:18 Chezinu wrote: Good night Palmar... PAAALLMAAARR!!! Chez, you rock | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:19 marvellosity wrote: you are 1 billion percent mafia for how you've dealt with tonight ##vote: lazermonkey Loooooool marv. Looooool. | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote: Gb , do you read lm as town or mafia I'm having second thoughts. His voting pattern right here doesn't show scum motives. | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:12 KelsierSC wrote: Dam made a good point about lm voting Marv, go check his filter You see, from a scum perspective, it only makes sense to vote marv when Palmar is also scum. Because, if Palmar is town, throwing his vote on him would be the best choice. Instead, he really tried to get me lynched and when he saw I wasn't going to be the lynch, he decided to place his vote on marv. | ||
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Palmar saying he would lynch damdred but deciding to just lynch marv is odd. Specially that I'm voting palmar and he didn't make a move to damdred. Like, I am his townread, I'm saying I'VE GOT THIS BRO, but he doesn't try to lynch damdred, when I said that damdred will be more revealing than marv, who isn't confirmed scum. I really don't like this | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:25 sicklucker wrote: So chez just brought up a good point. To think dandred is mafia is to think ritoky bussed dandred 5 minutes into the game for really bad reasons. Bats did the same to me on Fanfic. It means nothing. | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:30 Palmar wrote: lynching marv is more fun. Maybe damdred is town? Like it's either TMI or just that he's actually reading, but damdred reversed his read on me from today, which is exactly what anyone who is reading the game critically should have done. But maybe he just knows I'm town. Still, it's better than the constant waffling on alignments marv has been doing. There's no way damdred is town in this game. | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:38 Damdred wrote: You said the same thing in hearthstone and in fanfic. And I'll say that in a ton of other games to come, damdy ❤ | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: So like when I was mafia with dandred I remember him saying how he was afraid of gb. Something I would do tho palmer is lynch gb and if hes town id lynch danded. Oh damdy Lovely damdy Damdy damdy damdy | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: GB you know I'm not scared of you, just I know if you were a big you would shoot me d1 No damdy ❤ | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote: The thing about that list palmer is that all those people wanted to kill gb lm and vivax as well. Could all of us be wrong? Are you on the wrong side of the fence? Considering I'm town, you are all wrong. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:01 Palmar wrote: because bussing doesn't exist. also I'm not sure lm is mafia although he fits the profile in some regard Marv shifted the leading wagon from you to LM with no town push on him. Do you really believe he is bussing at this point? | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:10 KelsierSC wrote: So just did this to help me out in my brain. Essentially if you have a red that person scum read you before they died. , if you have a green that person town read you before they died. If you feel that I didn't put a read on then that is ok. I haven't included replacements because I just don't count their reads Artanis being universally town read means that his reads will give a +/- 1 either way when he gives his list. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vLuauVz.png?1) To me there is no way that SL is mafia in this game. we have to lynch vivax at some point. So you're townreading SL because he has got every nightkill correctly townread? Lol. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:13 GlowingBear wrote: So you're townreading SL because he has got every nightkill correctly townread? Lol. Palmar, the bolded. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:15 sicklucker wrote: Gb didnt you catch me as mafia pretty easily in mspaint? Do you really think im this good at the mafia alignment? No, I think you're bad as either alignment lol but anyway, too many people are calling you town which is really difficult to handle. And yet I can't actually put you in a possible mafia team, which makes me postpone my suspicions on you. I'm just sure damdred is mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:18 KelsierSC wrote: Also if you think I missed a read off my chart then point me in the right direction DP scumread both me and marv. | ||
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Yep The lynch should be damdred but after that chart I'm okay with lunching Vivax. That's all. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:22 sicklucker wrote: Dp doesint freakin count. LOL NO? THE GUY REPLACED IN A THREAD 300 PAGES LONG AND GOT SHOT GOT SHOT GOT SHOT GOT SHOOOOOOOOOT BEFORE ALL OF US. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:25 sicklucker wrote: Dp might have had some ok reads from when he was here we wont know till the end. But it was clear he didnt know the context and you have to take everything he said with a grain of salt. I love it with a grain of sugar. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:26 Vivax wrote: But I shot DP cause of his town winrate obviously. Even tho he scumread marv Even tho he townread me hard, really hard and Palmar. Uhm WHAT? | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:26 Vivax wrote: But I shot DP cause of his town winrate obviously. Even tho he scumread marv Even tho he townread me hard, really hard and Palmar. What's this, Vivax? | ||
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You think marv is scum but you're voting with him over damdred who you said you would lynch If you're town you deserve to die. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:47 KelsierSC wrote: can't work out if GB is mafia or just aids Lol watch out for modkill. No really. When someone scumreads a person but refuses to vote him, just to vote with the major players target (LM) he is scum. Just vote palmar and let him flip red. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:51 KelsierSC wrote: but LM hard scum reads you and just voted on marv Because nobody was voting with him. Different contexts | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:54 KelsierSC wrote: palmar was just voting on him and vivax has a vote on him. at the time that was the thread inclination if I recall. so you think LM is town then? Due to his voting pattern, there is a possibity that he is town, yes. | ||
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Considering there are like 3 people pratically wasting their votes, do you guys believe the main wagons could both be town? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:08 Vivax wrote: Also Chezinu is town, the points he brought up about Dam's defensiveness and what appears to be a ritoky chainsaw defense are good, and he's actually rereading D1. Scum CHez would never bother with that shit To me, he just quoted a lot of random posts. Does not guarantee him as town. | ||
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His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote: But this is Palmar, the guy you relied on to try to get me lynched? Someone who you never had a town read on? I think Palmar is town whos not 100% sure but knows he wants to survive to figure it out. Palmar really shouldn't be lynched to many things point to him bein town, like actually giving a fuck and trying to help town. Yes, because I thought he stepped up today. I was starting to townread him until he decided to not lynch you. Him not lynching you, damdy, doesn't make sense. Unless you're both mafia together. Which makes PERFECT sense. | ||
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Palmar screwed up when he voted LM. Pratically a scum claim. And when he flips scum, Damdred is obvious scum, as I've being saying throghout this day. Just Fucking Lynch Palmar. | ||
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Forget the ad hominem Read my reason why palmar is scum without thinking my alignment and consider only my argument. Does it makes sense? To me, it's undeniable. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:30 Damdred wrote: And if he flips town what then? You can't even articulate why i'm actually scum without some weird associative reads. I've already said you're playing your scum meta and that I was uneasy on you because I saw some town traits. But this day was revealing. Damdy, you didn't push me the way you should. And you're still not pushing me. I'm extremely sure you're both scum partners. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:32 Damdred wrote: Palmar was saving himself over someone he was wavering on! Thats not alignment indicative Saving himself isn't alignment indicative? Like, you think it isn't more likely for mafia to vote for surviving instead of town? Don't you think town will vote for his main scumread? His voting LM, damdy. LM. When he had a clear scumread on you. He vehemently refused to vote you AND IS VOTING WITH MARV WHARRGARBL | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: GB, ever since Hearthstone i have approached you differently because I was so wrong in my meta case on you. I think theres a shot you are scum but you are a lot less than 100% to me currently. You made a case when you go back from vacation and gave thoughts, your past 72 hours though has beenr eally bad and looked closer to your scum meta I can understand you getting uneasy on me. That's why you should've push me more. You didn't. You're still not interested in discovering my ignment. You're ignoring me. And that's damning. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:38 Damdred wrote: Palmar actually started waffling on me GB. Town needs to survive, voting to survive is not a mafia trait nor a town trait. And he seems to think LM fits mafia mold to so theres that. Voting for surviving is mostly a mafia trait. Specially when you refuse to lynch someone you scumread. | ||
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Why is palmar voting with his main scumread? | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:40 Palmar wrote: Maybe you should just lynch me, probably the only way I'll be listened to. marv sl both mafia. Does this sound like a guy who wants to survive, damdy? His moves are incompatible with his speech, then. | ||
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I'm kinda stupid, couldn't understand a single thing he said. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote: He sounds dejected at that point but sticks it out after that as well and stays up well later then he should have. That speaks to someone who is looking to survive. Why are you so fucking hard defending him when the evidences proves the opposite? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax, SL has a 40 page filter. Reality check please. Not alignment indicative for him. His MS Paint filter is also big. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is actually a reasonable point. If he claims he was under pressure, even if he wasn't that means he felt he was under pressure. I guess it's possible. I'm going to be angry if I actually have to consider this though. We can consider it after Palmar's lynch, though. Few time to evaluate SL now and SL is one of the Palmar's lynch supporter. Palmar needs to flip. | ||
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HAMMERTIME! Palmar, Damdred, KelsierSC | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:25 sicklucker wrote: actually I shouldnt have unvoted palmer before I decided because now lm wins the tie break. Mistakes were made HAHAHA DO YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT ARTANIS? HAHAHAHA | ||
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LIKE SL On January 14 2015 12:32 sicklucker wrote: ##vote lazermonkey On January 14 2015 12:32 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote palmer opps wrong person they should all just die imo HAHAHAHAHA OKAY, UH-HUH | ||
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40 PAGES OF FILTER WHILE BEING SCUM IS IMPRESSIVE AS HELL | ||
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Scum team is between SL PALMAR DAMDRED KELSIERSC gg | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:45 Vivax wrote: If LM gets lynched and flips town this game will be lost, cause I'm pretty sure Artanis will be the next NK and then in the anarchy of peasants scum takes home the victory while I will remain an unheard voice. Your push on sicklucker just made you town, don't worry. This game is finally solved. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:51 Damdred wrote: Can we shennany onto SL for this? not enough people besides, there is no mafia motive if palmar isn't scum so lynch palmar. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: IF ANYONE SWITCHES OFF OF PALMAR AND ONTO SOMEONE ELSE AND WE END UP LYNCHING TOWN I WILL COME AFTER YOU WITH MULTIPLE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS IN EACH HAND Thank you. Not happening. Even bussers won't do this. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:57 sicklucker wrote: I think this point is super townie and what I usually think as town Give up, if Palmar flips mafia you're auto-lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And now I'm going to sleep and wake up to a beautiful Slam nightpost. I'd stay up but I need to get up at a reasonable hour. I also should but I want to make sure there's no shenannies and I really want to see the flip. | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:03 sicklucker wrote: No I wont and ill do as I feel like, like I always do. Does anyone have any of lm's games as scum. This is a pretty big decision im about to make You can't hammer anymore, damdred already hammered palmar. | ||
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You voted palmar the whole day but decided to change to LM when Palmar was really in danger. It's so scum it's ridiculous. | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote: So if I finish going through lm's filter and decide hes not mafia who would consider a shenanie onto damdred? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:47 Alakaslam wrote: I Count this vote pholks Ritoky (8): Palmar, marvellosity, Lazermonkey, Vivax, Damdred, Glowingbear, Artanis[XP], Chezinu Vivax (2): sicklucker, KelsierSC Currently Ritoky is set to be lynched. Deadline is in Remember remember, the filth of these members. I move rhyming. | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:17 Chezinu wrote: ok, I'm back. what we doing? We are lynching palmar, sicklucker claimed scum Join the wagon of justice | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Art, I can understand him parking his vote on marv as I've already explained. His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:22 sicklucker wrote: Gb didnt you want to kill dandred like 10 minutes ago? Thats mostly why I asked for information... Not after these things. Not after these. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He would already win the tiebreak because vivax voted on palmar last to tie up the vote. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5O6GumI.gif) | ||
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HAHAHAHAHAHA HE KNOWS PALMAR WILL FLIP RED | ||
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CAN I ALREADY NOMINATE BEST 2015 BLOOPER, KITA? | ||
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If Artanis is scum he deserves to win this game. If marv is scum we deserve to lose this game. There is 2 scum between SL LM Kelsier and Damdred. | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: GB/marv/kel for scum team. No sense at all | ||
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My reads have been shit in this game. I was extremely pumped up because I thought that I had solved the game but palmar flipped scum I'm so... So sad. | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure in any world possible is a gb/damdred scum team possible with how gb tried to get me lynched a day from mylo? There is no way we are both scum together, that's correct. | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:48 marvellosity wrote: GB can you answer me re: my question about Damdred's push/attitude towards you pls thank you for your cooperation Hmm I may have missed that. Gonna check it. | ||
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(Damdred is town in all the following games): .:Arnie has got a gun minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Damdred + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2014 04:41 Damdred wrote: Is it outside the realms of realiy? I'm not sure that GB is mafia why not help me understand what you are seeing that makes you unhesitant about him. I'm seeing a lot of his town play right here and hes tunneled on Rob for whatever reason and won't move just doesn't feel like mafia right there This is an example of how usually damdred has an opinion about me. See that he says he is seeing a lot of my town play and that my tunnel on Robik in this game makes me town. He has an opinion on my meta, although it's wrong. This is just an example. You can check how in his first 3 pages of filter he spends a lot of time talking about me. .:Guilty Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8 + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote: If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. On August 23 2014 01:24 Damdred wrote: You really didn't push people yesterday GB, you allowed yourself to be questioned by Wave and you were being a bit dickish to Kel when he didn't answer your question straight away before understanding why he was doing that.When you actually started trying to get answers out of me instead of waiting for me to answer you then pointed to a bad looking post and peace'd out and didn't return to that upon your return at all. So yea theres not much of a push just the image of a push at that point in your filter. I really want you to read the thread and respond when you can GB, you are looking bad because of some of the things I mentioned and this anger because people are scum reading you when you are admittedly behind on the thread feel weird to me generally when i've played with townGB in the past whenever this happened you would take a step back and say let me go read and i'ill be back not get angry it's just weird at this point for you and does feel a bit forced. First post: Damdred is now aware of how I can sound like mafia and has a clear intuition regarding my gameplay. Second post: Damdred says that I look weird when I'm behind the thread, poiting out that I may be scum in this game. Again, check his filter and for the first pages, look how much posts I am his main topic of discussion. .:Fanfic Minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=6 + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote: Why would town GB make a big deal about me not analyzing batsnacks at the drop of the hat, and never comment on a post I wrote. Is going to vote geript without any real reasons or thoughts it feels. Has started to discredit people and started to paint them scummy...im starting to think GB is scum On September 19 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: GB you are acting weird I haven't led a read of yours all day and wasn't talking to you with that question but hf to get clarification on stuffs and if you look at my filter I want to lynch geript today Here, with more experience in my gameplay, he townreads me first but starts believing I'm scum for doing awkward things. I've added a bonus post where he clearly states why I'm looking scum. He is taking a very original and genuine stance, with a clear and precise thought process that I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS THREAD YET. Same thing. Read his filter and see how much time he spends talking about me. .:Hearthstone Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8 + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote: because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally. GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote: It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. First post: Says I'm scum for meta things. Admits we have been over my meta for a long long time. Second post: again, scum reads me for meta. Has a clear distinct meta thingy on me. AGAIN, main topic of his early filter is me. .: Russia Today Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2 + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around. GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real. Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot. Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here. Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote: You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge. I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play. Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players. You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure. Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? On November 29 2014 00:08 Damdred wrote: Screw you JAT no reason to be snarky at me at this point. @Marv, I'm not sure sno is acting strange but he's said some things I've remembered I think. Sent has kept his hands clean and even though he's been back in the thread he's avoided mu questions to him about his vote. There's a ton more games on me to read so he could get some hood evidence. though GB becomes a better lynch as his case does not materialize On November 29 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote: I'm not really sure I agree, sno is weird in thread and is totally different from last time I played, just not sure he is the lynch today idk. So is GB but there are a few posts and a missing case that drives gbs scumminess for me currently rather than meta. don't think I've played with sent I just think how sent is going about today is scummy. On November 29 2014 00:42 Damdred wrote: Spent most time on GB because I'm most familiar with GB probably. I'm more null for you jat but you would rather lynch me? On November 29 2014 00:59 Damdred wrote: GB is more likely town than scum after that case probably On November 29 2014 04:20 Damdred wrote: Struggles with getting across complex ideas and generally looks meh doing it at times which is generally towny of GB. Does what he promises instead of excuses and foes after a hard target in Marv instead of an easy target he could of picked. Seems to believe everything he says. First post: a very strong meta thing on me. Second post: gut feelings/meta thing on me. THIRD AND FOURTH POST (IMPORTANT): scumread me for meta (he is scum if his promised case doesn't materialize). FIFTH POST: admits he is familiar with my gameplay and, therefore, spends more time with me. SIXTH POST: META ME AS TOWN BECAUSE I'VE DELIVERED A CASE. SEVENTH POST: SHOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES IS A TOWNTELL FROM ME I'm gonna stop on Russia Minimafia because it alone is very damning. Also, remember that Russia was AFTER Hearthstone, a game where damdred said he stopped making meta reads on me because he was wrong on me, WHAT IS EXTREME BULLSHIT SINCE HE META'ED ME A LOT ON RUSSIA MINIMAFIA. As ever, he spends a lot of time having me as the main topic. TL;DR = read only Russia Minimafia part I also want you to look at how his thoughts are clear in these games and how contributive he is to the thread, a very different behaviour from him regarding this game. A couple of Damdred's town posts that I have never, ever seen in this game below: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:36 Damdred wrote: If you want reasons behind my reads i'm more than happy to give my reasons, generally if you ask me for something I do it. GB asked for the reads laughed them off. Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but (crazy theory lololol) (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538 He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. On August 20 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote: Are you serious right here? here are the posts where i pursued the issue with GB Why are you lying on me Xata? There was NOTHING casual about this I went after GB and didn't stop and GB eventually left the thread and came back today....why are you saying things like this On August 20 2014 01:30 Damdred wrote: I don't like Geript at this time and i'm pretty sure a lot of what hes doing is mafia oriented. Ok so his first real post in the thread is a list post, it looks big and good but a lot of it is no analysis really or spotty analysis at best. Also him pulling my post that he says is odd is strange its not my most scummy post by far up to this point oats got me on that one. Subsequently he has little follow up with a lot of this and some of these posts aren't as scummy in context as they appear. Actually i'm really confused now all of this ray town read Xata when all he said about xata was or his most recent posting before death so i'm not understanding why rays posting would have him rethinking his scum read when he generally trusts rays reads...its just strange and implies that ray townread xata more of this later I'm going to ignore the part about me here people can disect it if they want. I want to talk about GB first I really feel like the post he quotes isn't scummy at all for what was going on in the thread at the time and it could be taken out of context and shown as scummy. And he claims to trust rays reads....but ray had GB as town hrm. Point three about poof just doesn't make sense, and i'd rather him not be hunting for town. He should be hunting for scum. I hate this stupd stupid stupid timing read meta shit that he keeps bringing up its crappy and honestly stupid. Its not indicative of mafia or town at all and him claiming poof said he was trying to emulate his town game is just...honestly a lie or a misinterpretation of what poof actually said since he was talking about two seperate games he played with marv when explaining what this shit was to me. And then he continues to spout it to gain poof lynch support. Of course yoru reads on why you scum read people matter, or in this case have an illusion of scum reading people where you take stuff out of context to make them look scummy lie about what people actually say to make them look scummy and have people spouting off he gave good reads....he hasn't done jack shit but just has the appearance of it. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:12 Vivax wrote: Ok, so here we go: ![[image loading]](http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/83.jpg) I don' think LM is lying when he says he has exams and can't play properly. But he's scum, which is why we witnessed so much brain farting when I questioned him. He told his scumbuddies that he's scum, and that he won't have time to play and said "Pls, bus me cause I can't try harder than this". Now I go into a hypothetical world where SL is town. He's just a town who says a ton of dumb shit that makes me scumread him everytime. Kels softed cop D1, and he was actually right when he said that LM scumslipped he was scum with super. But the Vivax I am, who doesn't care about filter size and has trouble distingishing bad from scum, I keep pushing him thinking he's scum while in fact he's just the next JAT. So marv and Kelsier agreed. They would push the wagon on him, grab a shitton of cred, and carry their team to victory. Now it's night. I found another load of reasons to push SL with. But scum can't push him. They can't push him cause they will need an ally tomorrow, after they NK Artanis and push the lynch on me. GB is somewhat doing his own thing with Damdred, and Damdred is basically my ally. Plenty of room for the next mislynch. They can push Damdred, they can push me. That's why Kelsier shows absolutely zero suspicion on SL, and instead tries to win his favour by defending him and trying to discredit me. That's why marv keeps silent. He doesn't need to do a thing if SL is indeed town. He just sits back and enjoys, waiting for the opportunity to strike while I keep pushing a townie. They will probably lose LM at some point, probably tomorrow, but afterwards, Chez will side with Kelsier and marv cause of the palmar lynch he didn't want, and GB will probably accept the theory that I'm scum with Damdred and be willing to lynch either of us. Capiche? That's basically a possible scenario. I guarantee you. Marv will never die on a night this game. Marv isn't trying to solve this game. He's just setting up the stage to win the game for scum. So, according to this theory where I assume SL is scum. The team left is: Kelsier, marv, LM I'm impressed. I was about to say that. Question: why didn't SL instantly lynched Lazer instead doing that ridiculous thing of voting and unvoting? | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:58 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote Pocahontas Palmar (5): Lazermonkey (4): GlowingBear (0): Marvellosity (1): damdred (0): sicklucker (0): Not Voting: - Currently Palmar is set to be lynched. Deadline is in You guys are basically saying lazermonkey risked having his mafia partner killed instead of voting palmar for survival | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If it's Lazer/Kelsier/Marv they're all in danger and need to do some sort of bus to gain cred. Chez can't be scum because 1. He's reading the game and giving his own input 2. Chyz made a case, made a bunch of reads then literally ragequit 3. And most importantly, Chez is my friend. Sorry, a huge block with disconnected quotes isn't convincing me. Also, you guys are taking the rage quit too much for granted. | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. You guys are also saying bats wagon was pure town and that scum concentrated their votes on geript instead if spreading. If chez is town, why are they trying to lynch geript like this? | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GB, be careful, you're breaking the Chezinu rule. I always forget what this rule is | ||
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On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote sons ritoky (5): vivax (0): marvellosity (): Lazermonkey (): Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey sicklucker (): glowingbear (): Palmar (): Damdred (): [b]IAmRobik[b] (2): ritoky, Superbia Superbia is lynched. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I see two scum wagons. What needs to be explained about this? If they knew Robik was the cop, why keeping ritoky alive just to be auto lunched the next day? | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't know if they knew Robik was the cop. After his hard claim?? C'mon. | ||
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I'm voting LM tomorrow. One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive. And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched. It means they didn't know who the cop was. It means they thought someone else was the cop. I have to figure out who. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:58 liancourt wrote: Day Post Incoming Wait what? | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:09 sicklucker wrote: So like I told myself tonight if artanis didnt die hes no longer confirmed town. So like I pretty much confirmed gb as mafia (unless you believe slam made two highway 89's or whatever) and artanis shrugged it off and made everyone ignore it. Could you be owning the shit out of us right now in a vivax gb team? Is this possible? Really, this is the exact reaction I expected from someone who shot Chezinu to throw town into WIFOM. I BET SL is in the mafia team. | ||
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Your reaction to DP nightkill was already odd. You were saying that you don't know why you didn't die. Now you quickly entered into WIFOM mode before even reacting to this odd nightkill. Artanis lynched palmar. He was never confirmed. Robik didn't like him at some point. Neither did I. The only true lynch Artanis took a hard stance to contribute was Palmar, and Palmar was town. If Artanis were really scum, he would kill Vivax to confirm their theory and go ahead pushing mislynches until the game is over. | ||
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From a guy who thought he would die instead of DP (who was very townie and green checked) and was amazed that wasn't dead, a huge change of feelings happened, huh? So Artanis was supposed to die this night, not you? This makes him scum, then? Your play is too inconsistent to come from town. I know you like this WIFOM thing. I've made the same shit on mission mini mafia and you've made this on MS Paint, when you killed the only person that wasn't soft confirmed in the game. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If I died this night, no one would bat an eye and people would follow my list. Being still alive as pretty much the sole townread already creates doubt on both my alignment and my ideas. It doesn't. Because it's LYLO And if it's LYLO, you killing Vivax would be the correct play to push your mislynch list. Unless you're scum with Vivax But you see, KSC and SL didn't even considered that. They jumped to conclusions instantly without putting thoughts on what happened. They were prepared to WIFOM the shit out of us. | ||
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The day post where I get shot instead of a green check. SL was mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=110#2190 The day post where I kill ritoky instead of universally townread Vivax so I could WIFOM kush. | ||
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On January 15 2015 18:57 sicklucker wrote: Like I refuse to believe this is gb's town play. were in mylo and hes goes for a player that is never getting lynched in a lynch or you lose situation. This is what mafia does they cause confusion so town cant consolidate on a vote. If we dont work together mafia will vote together and win. Uh huh. This WIFOM bullshit is so beautiful!! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 01 2014 07:29 sicklucker wrote: So FF coasted the whole game we can all agree on that. Why would he do that when town was getting completely raped. We didnt hit scum till it was lylo. He just roleblocked himself so he can coast while town killed themselves and is mafia team did all the work. I think this back fired because towns gonna win when we lynch him. On November 30 2014 10:02 sicklucker wrote: Everyone was hard town reading gb ff, your wrong he wins final 3 against me and you. Its in both of are best interest to make it between the two of us. On November 30 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Ok so reading the last pages gave me a headache. Somehow you were convinced mafia was conceding. Chez is just trying to confuse you and get you off your game like he did with the night kills. FF is the last mafia. Theirs zero reason any of you should town read him this game. Like im town their confusion tactics are working. FF is making a ballsy (probably coached) play. Anyone here On November 30 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Ok so reading the last pages gave me a headache. Somehow you were convinced mafia was conceding. Chez is just trying to confuse you and get you off your game like he did with the night kills. FF is the last mafia. Theirs zero reason any of you should town read him this game. Like im town their confusion tactics are working. FF is making a ballsy (probably coached) play. Anyone here OH SO MUCH BEEAUTYFOOL BULLSHIT WIFOM! So much similar post style! Oh! Love me tender | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: what you wrote on sl is just bullshit narrative Uh huh. And what about the whole thing I've wrote about Damdred? You're burying yourself to the ground, marv. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote: saying something doesn't make it so, GB. sry. Yes it makes, because you're ignoring every town trait I have in this game just to try and make me scum. You've done nothing since day1 marv. DP had suspicions on you. You kept saying that I am scum but never ever tried to get me lynched. Instead, YOLO voted for lazermonkey. You have all the reasons to be scum. Your filter size argument is boring because every other aspect of your gameplay here makes you scum. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So GB... In your world Mafia SL fakeclaims, then 2 mafia start second guessing his claim? If it is for him to rescind in the middle of the night and get town read for his stupid thing, then yes. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Did it look planned to you? Because if it was planned it'd have to be with Kelsier who originally triggered it. And I'm okay with Kelsier being mafia, so... yes | ||
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On January 16 2015 00:04 Damdred wrote: I ask one question and none can give me a straight answer, SL and GB are yelling about my activity levels. How are my activity levels different from the other town or mafia games i've played? The answer is honestly clear my activity level here is HIGHER than in any other game i've played before I think. Anyway, I begged everyone to switch to super d2 to get off of a town geript. I mean begged, and now i wasn't the driving force trying to get him lynched? I really can't defend against a narrative though Repeat the question, please. Anyway, I'm not yelling about your activity level. It's not the problem. The problem is your approach to the game, which is different from your town approach. | ||
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On January 16 2015 02:53 Damdred wrote: In this situation a no lynch is a bad idea I think, 5-3 is a better position to be in than 4-3. Town has an easier time putting its eggs in one basket and during the night kills more than likely Vivax or artanis dies leaving us with still the same suspects the next day. Honestly its better to figure this thing out today lynch mafia and go from there and use the towniest towns while we have them instead of letting them die without getting a scum in exchange Hmm. To be honest, a no-lynch would help us clearing question marks from teams. I think a no lynch would help town a lot. | ||
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On January 16 2015 02:59 Damdred wrote: And if someone like Artanis dies? That leaves us with Damdred, GB, Vivax, LM, KSC, SL. that gives us no help at all just losing artanis thoughts It clears the team Artanis Vivax and Damdred which is possible. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Team Artanis Vivax and Damdred isn't possible, if you played a game with scum vivax you would understand this. Anyway Art is right that isn't in OP if we can at all, nor if scum can hold a shot Enlighten me. Why it isn't possible? | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't buy Vivax being scum because we had the exact same idea regarding the teams earlier. I doubt Damdred is scum because I don't believe Vivax/SL can be scum and I doubt he can be scum with you or LM which leaves his only potential team at precisely Damdred/Kelsier/Marv. I might actually have to investigate that team though. This team is completely possible btw. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:49 GlowingBear wrote: Look how BEAUTIFULLY the mafia team is spread in the day1 votecount. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Goddamnit GB, we mind melding too? Totally. I'm positive this is the scum team. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: I really feel like i'm getting run under the table here, theres not even any real conversation to me half the people ignore me then call me scum. Its just stupid You're doing nothing to solve the game damdy, all you do is comment on people's alignment without actually trying to get someone lynched or taking original stances | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:01 Lazermonkey wrote: GB, maybe you've alreadu answered this but just once more: How do you explain Damdreds play D2 from scum PoV? He was litterally screaming for a superbia lynch all day when there were several town wagons that was up as well. I believe he wasn't really trying to lynch Superbia at that moment, or he was trying to gain town cred. Due to inactivity, there is a possibility that scum was trying to lynch Superbia because he was extremely absent from the game (similar situation to Lord Tolkien on Hearthstone) | ||
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Tell me anything you did AFTER OBVIOUS SCUM RITOKY was lynched. Just one thing. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, GB is so scum it isn't even funny. He is scumreading everyone at this point. "I'll just lynch lazer tomorrow" "I'll vote SL" "Damdred is totally scum" "Kel is very likely scum" "Marv is part of the scum team" He is just bandwaggoning whatever the fuck is hot at the moment... Yes, including possible scum. Awesome logic. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:24 Vivax wrote: Here, I'll throw the first stone: ##Vote marv Now show your true face You have my sword. ##Vote: marv | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I don't like about GB recently is how he pointed out to SL that his reactions to the nightkill were odd and that I'd shoot Vivax if I were scum, proceeds to call SL scum despite 2 flipped scum having pushed on his fakeclaim, then turns around and calls a team of me/Vivax/Damdred very possible. He also made this meta case on Damdred which he then doesn't get back to when the conversation topic doesn't concern Damdred. When it does once again, he doesn't even bring it up. If he actually thought it was strong why isn't he telling people to read it and why is he going along with every suspicion of the thread rather than pushing his own thing? Meta thing was a response to Marv. Damdred has some townpoints that makes me uneasy on him. I'm considering a whole team instead just one player at this point. SL doesn't fit in a scumteam after the cop thing you've told me. Although I'm uneasy about Damdred, I think he is most likely scum and I'm including him in the scumteams, mostly. I've said that your scumteam was probably wrong in some players. You can see I'm always including Damdred. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm probably a bit too sadistic. I'd rather see him screaming that his filter is too long for him being scum for 48 hours straight. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:33 Lazermonkey wrote: I think GB is probably a better lynch than marv. But that is only if we cannot nolynch. you're mafia.The guy led a wagon on you and you don't want to lynch him? Why aren't you inquiring him? Marv threw a lot, I repeat, A LOT OF SUSPICIONS on palmar but decided to vote you. And you don't care. LOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:49 Lazermonkey wrote: Never did I say I think marv i town. But I'd rather kill you first. So here is why your logic falters: You think both me and marv are scum. You have a stronger scumread on me than marv. Problem number (1): you've wasted you vote on marv instead of voting me. Actually, you couldn't get me lynched, so it would be okay to vote someone else BUT This day starts and you strong scumread me. And you're okay to get me lynched. Problem number 2) you completely forget marv scumread you over a poor reason when he fought palmar throghout the whole game. You don't even throw suspicions on him. Problem number 3) you think a no lynch is good, but you think I'm a better lynch. This is inconsistent because: (A) if you think a no lynch is better you shouldn't be telling people to lynch me, (B) if you think a lynch is better, you can't put the order GB>No lynch>Marv, and (C) if you have this strong scumread on me to think the order I've just said is better, you could never have voted marv yesterday, but me and only me. There is NO WAY you're coming from a town perspective. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:33 Lazermonkey wrote: I think GB is probably a better lynch than marv. But that is only if we cannot nolynch. This sounds like GB>No Lynch>Marv | ||
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On January 16 2015 05:12 Vivax wrote: He shouldn't care who of them gets lynched first, there are three scum left. If he really believes marv is scum he should actually favour him over you. After all, from his hypothetical town perspective, it's marv who wanted to kill him, right? Exactly. I can't see him coming from a town perspective. I just can't. | ||
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On January 16 2015 05:16 Lazermonkey wrote: This is so dumb. I really don't have time to play right now. But I refuse to lose this game to such a silly thing. You're not convincing me, sorry. | ||
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On January 16 2015 05:24 Vivax wrote: GB, we waiting for Kelsier and SL now. I'll wriite on my word document in the meantime, gonna upload it and then we will organize a townbrick shitting party. Unless mafia comes up with a plan, we already have majority. The bus will be real. | ||
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On January 16 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: I voted Marv GB thats what i'm doing today. Besides that if you fucking read the game for once in the past two games you will see that I pressed SL all night last night, talked with vivax bouncing reads off of him and talked to artanis when he was here. And obviously argued with SL. So not sure what you are on about now Let's cease our discussion for a moment. Just help us by telling who you think the last 3 scums are. | ||
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On January 16 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote: I've said that a lot GB.... I've moved marv into my three so go read the game while i'm at work LOL Damdy, you can simply say X/Y/Z instead of having this attitude. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty sure it was implied I don't meta YOU anymore since hearthstone you know since i meta dived you through like 6 games or something absurd to make you out to be scum and I was wrong? You meta'ed me A LOT on Russia Today, which was after Hearthstone WTF damdy Also, I've filter dived you and here is what I've got: On January 15 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote: Because you asked artanis dear, from most town to least town Artanis Vivax Chez Kel GB Marv LM SL I gotta read a bit back, SL. You are using double standards to judge people now. Earlier you said LM is 100% town but now you are saying you want us to lynch him? So Marv was ALREADY in your top three and you are saying you're putting marv in it. WHY DID YOU VOTE PALMAR IF LM IS SO LOW IN YOUR LIST?????? AND SL IS COMPLETELY LOW IN YOUR LIST BUT LOOK AT WHAT YOU SAID On January 15 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: Just got back from getting the wife. I think I'm going to put SL to the side atm, we need to focus on a few things WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT AND YOU KEEP QUIET ABOUT LM AND SL AFTER THAT. YOU DON'T TRY TO GET FURTHER INTO THEIR ALIGNMENT WHARRGARBL NOW I'M RIGHT NEXT TO MARV, AND I'M VOTING HIM, AND YOU'RE VOTING MARV WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT. Damdy. LM is voting marv. I am voting marv. Marv voted LM. And you're blindly voting him now. WHYYYYYY | ||
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I'm reading Kelsier's case. | ||
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Question: do you think marv is scum, Kelsier? | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote: IDK how to debate me saying I'm not metaing GB in the same way I was in hearthstone unless I'm on a comp to show the difference. IE: Heathstone my meta read on GB consisted of going through like 6 games to provoke a difference in gobs gameplay and to show he's scrum. The case I made was the biggest I ever did I think. GB thought he might be scrum because of it in a joke. However it was wrong, so I'm not using meta like that on GB anymore. Saying I use meta by saying that I said x does this when he's town, is a totally different concept to me, even if it is a small meta its different from hs by a large margin. Just focusing on Sl Wasn't going to get me anywhere. I spent all night talking and pressuring him, if I put him aside to look at again later I can at least look at other things. From how it read vivax made lm vote marv so don't see an issue. The eod had everyone yelling at me to change my vote GB,vivax and art mostly. With Sl acting really shady so not sure what the problem is it looked like someone trying to save a teammate which it wasn't obviously. Ok so you're saying it's different. But you haven't used this "small meta" the entire game. That's my main problem with you. And what about the other things I've brought in my latest post about you? | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: No I think Marv is town Why do you think marv is town? He is the main wagon right now and there are at least 2 townies voting him. | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: So palmar asked me why Marv is town yesterday and I gave my reasons. He voted.on lm yesterday and lm is mafia, then he is being attacked by Viv who is also mafia. Makes him town in my eyes But Vivax is scumreading LM also. Hard scumreading, by the way. Who is your mafia team, then? | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: IDK what I missed GB. And I feel like besides comparing vivax I've only done small things even viv was small to me. Sorry, I didn't understand this. Can you please give us the remaining scumteam? | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:45 Vivax wrote: GB and Dam. I've played badly this game, the first two days. It was NYE and afterwards I blindly sheeped DrH. D2 the NK was made to incriminate me and I gneuinely belived geript was scum until EoD when Jat posted reasons to believe geript was town, but there wasn't enough traction for us to switch to super. For me, cause I made the mistake of not scumreading him and instead scumread Robik. IIRC the only people in thread at the time were me, Damdred, Kelsier, and Robik who didn't do anything cause of his mafia stream. But you have to trust into me being town to win this game. I'm putting so much effort into solving this. And that said, I'm currently at page 21 of D1 finding more evidence for why Kelser is scum and who else. I was absent for two cycles because I was at the Caribbean. That's why I'm having such a bad time figuring things out. Specially because I don't usually stay alive for this long. Anyway, I think things said against you are very strong, and I also think you're playing in a different way that I'm used to see you playing. Your thoughts here are confusing and when I saw you playing as town, you were very straight forward. There is a plus: Master Koshi read you as scum and he knows you well. I'm very uneasy. BUT I don't think scum would be here to solve the game like you're doing. I'm assuming you're town because we are having the same perspective in the game right now. I'm also assuming Artanis is town because he ninja'ed the same thing I was thinking about. I'm risking losing this game with these assumptions, but that is the best I can get. After all, mafia is a game of assumptions. But I think you can be wrong on KSC. | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:53 Vivax wrote: Just read my big post on the last page. Kelsier ignores the points brought up against ritoky and instead asks the guy who's pushing him why he thinks DRH is town. It doesn't fit into a townie perspective. I tend to ignore things when I'm tunneled, this isn't damning. I need stronger arguments. This could be use as secondary argument, only. | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:58 KelsierSC wrote: Did I ignore the points? I don't see me saying that. I asked sl that question because it looked like he wanted to stop pressure and sort of traffic cop. Gb mafia need a ml here and they win so activity is not alignment indicative. Viv is desperately trying to find reasons to call me scum, he is not being objective at all. I have formulated my case on Viv. You can make up your mind. When he is decided about a lynch, he has no motivation to keep searching for the third element. If a wagon is townie, all mafia need to do is to lurk until the ML occurs. If a wagon is mafia, mafia needs to change wagon OR be bold enough to bus and get towncred. | ||
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Remaining scum, KSC. Right now. Tell us. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:31 KelsierSC wrote: I.answered Marv already. Artanis didnt die in the night which made me.suspicous. He did vote palmar . Hr thought your case on me.was.good. He said the first person to.blink.on lm was scum but you immediately blink today and then he votes me. I town read Marv,dam and sl. Well, me, Artanis and Vivax are having the same scumteam. If you believe mafia is desperately after a ML, you can't put totally opposite people on the same team. If I am mafia, LM can't be mafia. If LM is mafia, Vivax can't be mafia. So on and so forth. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: Vivax and lm are mafia together. See how.viv isn't voting lm Neither am I. I'm lynching marv first. We're scum for that because...? | ||
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What I can't imagine is a world where marv is town. Because the only reason people can bring on him is filter length. The only reason. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:40 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh and you will call me.scum for a bad reason. People need to go and read my case on Viv because all hr is doing is.combing my filter and trying to.twist everything I do as scum. Seriously. "you ask sl a question d1 you are mafia" Read my case on him and comment please. Interact with me. You're ignoring undeniable facts that I'm bringing to the table. | ||
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On January 16 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: So palmar asked me why Marv is town yesterday and I gave my reasons. He voted.on lm yesterday and lm is mafia, then he is being attacked by Viv who is also mafia. Makes him town in my eyes Do you understand this is poor reasoning? You're evaluating marv's townplay just for a votecount. If you see marv coming on and on against Palmar, voting Lazermonkey makes no sense. Explain this to me. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:50 KelsierSC wrote: I have the reasons I told palmar.and if my two.scum reads are pushing Marv and going for.the win then of course Marv is.town You have 30 pages of filter. You could simply restate your other reasons for townreading marv | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:14 Vivax wrote: GB can we form an alliance ![[image loading]](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/503/354/470.jpg) | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:23 KelsierSC wrote: Well I have 4 good reasons. - his votes - he has town reads from confirmed town - lm and you are voting him. - he made a smart town orientated post. - gonna take a look at his votes later but his votes are odd considering the guys marv's scumreads. - easy to have town reads on confirmed townies when you have perfect information - 5 people are voting him and there is only 3 scum left. There are at least 2 townies voting marv - smart town orientated post, solely one, is easy to make. So, weak reasons to give marv a 100% town read. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:25 KelsierSC wrote: No I'm on a phone and its hard to navigate that. You can look at my play this game and decide. Just tell me the name of the game I've already looked guilty mini mafia (and I'm on a phone, so...) | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:29 KelsierSC wrote: My two scum reads are voting him pretty good reason to think he's town. You misunderstand me. The confirmed towns, townread Marv. Like 4 confirms towns scumread viv Oh ok. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:34 KelsierSC wrote: I never said Gb was town. You have combed my filter in a desperate attempt to call me scum and have been proved wanting. I want to see what dam , sl and artanis make of my case on viv. Gb if you like my case on Viv can you explain why younare happy to lynch Marv. Because I think marv is scum Because I think marv is good enough to have a clear townread on me at this point Because I think marv would have voted Palmar yesterday instead of voting Lazermonkey since he was throwing suspicions on Palmar since earlier days Beause I think Palmar is a very good player and that marv also knows this, so if marv townreads Palmar and decides LM is scum he would defend the hell out of Palmar so they could work together Because marv convienently decided to ignore my response on why damdred should be destroying me at this point just to call me scum for a contradiction that is clear it was only to hard prove a theory Artanis has brought Because marv is still alive and it is day6 and he isn't leading town anywhere like he does when he is town. The list goes on. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote: I have been patient enough I think to explain this point about 3 times already. SL stated " I will reclaim cop tomorrow" So I asked if he was going to do that. JAT and the votes convinced me SL was not mafia. I didn't know if he was cop or not. Again why does this make me mafia? Give me the name of a recent town game of yours. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyone who has been in a game with me as scum, yes. Is this going anywhere? Nah, just checking some WIFOMy meta. I went through your games and I don't really believe there is much difference between your scum and town play. What I did see was that you have a tedency to say something like "I'm so fucking town" in your town games. Loved the part where you said in a town game that "I am town because read the thread", like it was obvious | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Uh, there's this difference in my scum play that I tend to get lynched D1 or D2 whereas as Town I look clearly town. I also post way less and am less motivated in general as scum. You're pretty bad at meta if you didn't get that out of it. I'm actually decent with meta. I have seen those patterns but it's not THAT different as you make it look like. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm feeling my tin foil hat. What if Kelsier is scum, Marv is town and he's defending him to feel like there's a fight going on? If that's true Marv will come back in full body armour though. His meek statement that he'll just sheep Kelsier doesn't look like that. This is extreme WIFOM. You're making me uneasy. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:33 Vivax wrote: OK. THIS IS SLAM DUNK. Step 1: Open KElsiers filter Step 2; Go to D1 where he says DrH is super tryhard town Step 2: Go where he asks Sl why he thinks DrH is town. And then, after not having given a single comment on ritoky: TADAAAAAAA http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=24#463 Sorry, why is he mafia for this? | ||
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Town Kelsier is marked by aggressiveness http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC&page=12 I've played Guilty Mini Mafia with him and he was extremely aggressive. It was his FIRST game and his stances were really clear. Whoever read him as scum was promptly answered with a hostile post. Also, his posts seems a bit more extensive when town. Check these posts: On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed On August 26 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed. If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this. It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier. Mafia Kelsier is marked by relaxation and strong townreads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=KelsierSC&page=14 Fifth post of his filter: On October 07 2014 00:36 KelsierSC wrote: Bats and Oats are both town to me, "Bats trap" seems like a good town angle to me, I don't think Oats is faking frustration and it feels town to me. Ala is town, I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging shit. Grack seems really jokey and happy and posting a lot so probably town.. I don't like HF because of the aforementioned reason and the early vote just felt like he was totally misreading the thread. I also really didn't like this at all. I think it was such a meaningless and stupid question that no one bothered to respond to it. it just felt like a question to ask to appear active and buddy someone. It's the fifth post and he has already got townreads over bad reasons. See that he isn't that aggressive in this post either. Calls people town, but HF is just "weird". Also, look at the bolded on these next quotes. They are similar to some excuses Kelsier brings to the game: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote: I made it clear I thought OO was scum after he just abandoned the thread. Was there a really huge push by anyone d1 of any consequence. you pushed on lian, yep. can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia. I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted. and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target. On October 15 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote: Slammed at work today, will make my case tonight. my reads haven't changed, slam is still mafia I think palmar is poisoner. given obi is cop. I imagine he checked hf n1 and then n2 he checked someone who died and that is why he didn't reveal. maybe bh was a good check for him. Either way i think the only relevant thing from obi being cop is that he called hf clear town. for palmar he kind of lurked and didn't contribute until d3 and that point his agenda was to kill hf and then wanting the medic to come out. Didn't agree with the logic. I don't like how he has such a strong town read on me. Yeh ive played a town game but my reads have been off considering i wanted to vote obi. for slam, what bugs me is that he admits the mafia is between him and me, then he proceeds to vote on dam, why, does he think dam is poisoner, i don't see how anyone can have that belief , again it just seemed like he wanted to lunch anyone that wasn't him. He also spoke nonsense for two days and was happy to vote obi because bh was doing it. I don't like his reasons. His play yesterday was illogical and he seemed to be wanting to cover his tracks. He was happy to be on a hf is psnr wagon with palmar, why isn't he concerned that palmar is suddenly alive and pushing the lynch on hf. he said "i think palmar and hf are both right" but they were saying different things. then you look at his votes and it doesn't look good either. i will make a case with quotes etc tonight, but csnt really do it in my phone. as for me. Ive been less active last day and night phase but i was still figuring out the game and did some excellent analysis on palmar being poisoner which people just ignored. The main scum read on me is i voted obi. I explained i found him scummy however it is not true that i jumped on a wagon ,.i led the push beginning d2 i had excellent reasons for it. tldr palmar psnr, slam mafia | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:37 KelsierSC wrote: I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. 9th post of his filter in this game. I'm convinced. | ||
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Things go wrong and Robik flips blue. Ritoky is on the chopping block, everybody scumreads him, but Kelsier tries, without success, to get Vivax lynched (see day3 or 4 votecount). The only people voting Vivax are Kelsier and SL. It's true. Kelsier is scum. | ||
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Which is... bad. He did that kind of blue fishing on Christmas Carol. He got Marley. I'm more convinced that KSC is scum than even LM and Marv. | ||
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Fellowship of the Ring. Can we vote KSC instead? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:09 KelsierSC wrote: I find it fascinating that I make a well constructed argument on viv that spans his entire game and points out glaring inconsitencies, looks at vote logic, takes into account the view of the confirmed town. and GB and artanis say "good case" thats it. Yet viv makes a post saying "you asked artanis a question on p24, start of d1, SLAM DUNK CASE" and people act like I'm confirmed mafia. I have to be dreaming. I've made a whole meta case on you. If you think that I'm just sheeping Vivax, you should re read what I'm writing. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:11 sicklucker wrote: You guys cleared gb too easily. I could fake what hes done so easy. I was down to vote marv when this first started but those votes built up fast. Will def vote him if he rolls over and dies This is the dumbest comment so far. What I have being doing is very difficult from a mafia perspective. I've made 2 meta cases that took me long. If you're town I'll make the GlowingBear's rule: everytime someone is called sicklucker, lynch him day1 | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:11 KelsierSC wrote: Robik made a post saying that if he died we should lynch vivax over ritoky first. I thought we got more information from lynching vivax rather than ritoky. Robik is such a bad player that even the host thought he should give him a role so he could have right reads once. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:15 KelsierSC wrote: your meta case is that I am aggressive as town because of my first game. Yes I was overly aggressive and people got really fuckng pissed off and didn't listen to me. Yelling and screaming isn't a good way to play so overall I toned down my play. Yes I have a phone which I have to use in the evenings so I don't wake my girlfriend. (2am here) that is surprisingly not alignment indicative I don't think I give out easy town reads D1 at all, I town read DrH yeh but I don't think that makes me mafia. Maybe look at THIS GAME rather than taking 2 posts from two of my old games, one of which was my first ever game! and making your read. You've used this same argument on FFL. Can you quote the post where Robik says to lynch Vivax first? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:23 Alakaslam wrote: Putting out so many fires hijole Deadline is apologies. HAHA I can see Robik and Koshi spitting fire on the obs qt. Artanis, I have this feeling you will turn out to be mafia and I'll be like ![[image loading]](http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Emma-Watson-Is-Crushed-That-She-Actually-Trusted-You-In-Harry-Potter.gif) | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you substantiate this because these fleeting suspicions are really annoying. Nah, I am townreading you. I'm just feeling that I am being fooled somewhere. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:33 KelsierSC wrote: I meant to write three not donkeys sorry if I offended anyone ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvc8hb626Q1qdlkgg.gif) | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:34 sicklucker wrote: Theres gotta be a scum between gb and dandred. Im not sold on lm being scum . So if you think gb is town And I think Lm is town doesint that make dandred scum? Why is LM town? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote: GB, we do this every game. I am always driving home from my second job from 9-10 pm just depends on traffic how fast I show back up. Anyway i've got a bit to re read before i make some more judgements and talk it out Wow, your mood is awful today damdy :/ is everything okay? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:48 sicklucker wrote: Ya ive thought about this alot. Only reason I never pushed him for it is because in my first mafia game he cced are cop n1 and got him killed as vt lolz Which is a completely different situation lol. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote: No a really shitty day overall honestly. But i'm still trying to play sorry if i'm snappy though Nah, it's okay damdy. I'm amazed you have two jobs and find time to play mafia. Very demanding. I hope everything is alright. I'm sending you good vibrations | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:53 Damdred wrote: Haha thanks. Anyway, was the only game you looked at for kel guilty gear gb or have i not gotten to another one yet? Just read Guilty and FFL. Couldn't find his other towngame. | ||
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On January 16 2015 20:44 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote Marvellosity Time to save the game marv Bullshit | ||
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Some situations are clear: he promises cases but tell he can't do things because he is on a phone, which is do posts bullshit as I'm always on a phone and could do A LOT. These excuses are convenient and can't be found on his towngame. What you can't say, marv, is that my meta case on damdred is bad, because it is really straight forward. And you completely skipped that. Intentionally. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: your meta case on damdred rests on similar contentions - he made a couple of longer posts in the towngames, and he treats you in a certain way in Russia today that he doesn't here, whereas it seems to me he did his absolute best in this game to engage you. you're just pushing a ml on him too. No I wasn't, I was showing how damdred has a good grasp on how my game play sounds when I am mafia or town but doesn't put this firmly in this thread, showing complete disinterest into discovering my alignment when he could do this, clear me to the rest of the thread, and work with me. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:34 marvellosity wrote: like I could go back in KSC's filter and pick out many posts from this game with a clear direction, and you can't do that in Carol. that's meta. you're cherrypicking him to make him look bad, like you did the same to Damdred. The blue fishing is just the same. The townreadings are just the same. Completely fabricated. | ||
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You didn't clearly townread palmar and him saying that he would lynch damdred and that you were mafia but VOTING with you and DENYING voting damdred was the scummiest thing I saw in ages. And you didn't give A FUCK to this. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Very unlikely. It's possible because it feels like vivax is pushing scum agendas so hard left and right with all these nutjob conspiracies, but I just can't imagine a 50 page scum Vivax. Extreme bullshit. If you can't imagine a 50 page scum Vivax you can't imagine a 50 page scum Marv. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:39 marvellosity wrote: This may be the biggest line of bullshit in the game. In Carol Kelsier goes around going "oh i'm going to add so and so to my circle because sexypenguins" and has like 10 townreads at the end of d1 for no reason. Like this is such an awful comparison. I've posted a ridiculous townread on DrH he gave. 9th post of his filter. I can bring more. "Tryhard town", give me a break. | ||
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Confirmed scum + Show Spoiler + it's a joke! | ||
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Which, by the way, wasn't even into discussion. People were like "hey, I like bananas" and he was like "guys, alligators are teeth less" | ||
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Hm Is this some kind of slip? | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:47 sicklucker wrote: No id rather just stay up but then my mind will be dull Wow. More than usually? | ||
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I don't take SL as town for granted. | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 2, maybe 3 scum tried pushing him after he fakeclaimed cop. Why would scum fakeclaim cop in an open setup and then push their own? 2 scum = ? | ||
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I'm trying to not think this may be a slip | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:11 KelsierSC wrote: GB for your "meta" read where you think it is my mafia meta to blue hunt. Fair enough. Main problems are, in reality, townreads and tone. But okay. | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:18 Vivax wrote: It was a simple mistake. DO you know how tiring that work was just now? Plus the formatting issues I couldn't bother to resolve. In every single votecount and yes, I know how tiring that is because I gave up doing that on a phone. | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:21 Vivax wrote: But I find the last votecount interesting cause it supports the LM + Kels + Marv scumteam. Lazer left his vote on marv before peacing out, which would give him further cred after Lazer flipped. Plus I don't recall Kelsier being around at EoD like the usual times to try and push us onto Lazer. But it's from my memory so can't guarantee I'm right. Deadline is 7 am for Kelsier. | ||
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On January 17 2015 04:07 Vivax wrote: Ok that vote from SL tells me that LM is probably town at this point. I pointed him to all the evidence of why Kelsier is scum, he ignores it and votes with KEls and marv. TOWN. ITS UP TO YOU TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, VOTE MARV Yeah, Vivax, I'm with you. I mean, if you're scum you did a very good job convincing me you're town. | ||
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On January 17 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote: And if Artanis, LM and GB are scum, then I only say: Well played sirs. I'm not. But regardless who the scum team is, they played very well because I'm still extremely confused | ||
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KEEP YOUR VOTES ON MARV. | ||
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I'm not Vivax isn't SL isn't Damdred is? | ||
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And tbh, a thing just crossed my mind and it looks better to vote KSC This thing will have to wait until night to be revealed. | ||
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I hate this switches after a long debate regarding marv. But anyway, the only other option would be Damdred/LM/Vivax And this option terrifies me. But I'd rather trust that scum Vivax wouldn't put this much effort. | ||
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What do you want? I'm going to a theatre | ||
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What did I miss? | ||
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I won't be here on the deadline Bye | ||
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Stupids. | ||
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I'd never have caught Artanis btw Anyway, gj Sicklucker, I'll lynch you day1 every game. | ||
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SL you need a mirror. Anyway, gg, I was hoping this would end soon anyway | ||
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I'm not even mad that we've lost this game Slam, was marv saved night1? | ||
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Congrats, art! | ||
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On January 17 2015 13:03 DarthPunk wrote: Kelsier and Lazer and Sicklucker and GB were the shitters this game for town. If Chezinu gets night killed before you you are doing something wrong. ESPECIALLY if you have spammed the thread with 40 odd pages of filter. Hm. Like Scumreading both damdred and marv correctly and being right on Artanis meta as he says in mafia qt? Probably. Thank you for your cooperation. Your scumread on me was very helpful | ||
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Mostly because I was traveling and haven't read the first 2 cycles. But anyway, not a good play. This made me so uninvolved with the game... | ||
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On January 17 2015 14:30 sicklucker wrote: and slam. I knew mass claiming wouldnt work right from are first or second pm because you gave me permission to do it. So thats why I didnt. I did that gb question thing as more of a reaction test to see if they were willing to do it. I should have went with my first reaction to kill gb and put scum on dandred him for avoiding it. Is this bad etiquette? Because I honestly dont know and someone should tell me so I dont do it in the future. The problem with mind games is that you don't just confuse scum but also town. Actually, you confuse town much more than scum, as they have perfect information | ||
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On January 17 2015 14:47 Vivax wrote: Well some of them knew some alignments (I PMd Koshi I was town post game for example), and others knew the solution cause of people other than hosts and scum being able to see scum qt). So yes, being a smartass is easy when you have access to more information. Yeah, kinda. I'm impressed with palmar hammering the scum team though. And with koshi. | ||
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On January 17 2015 14:49 Alakaslam wrote: Oh Well another failure, I did not manage the obs. Meh, too many to dwell on. Game was cool, slam. Some errors in votecounts (like having two GlowingBears voting AND being counted as two different person), but it ran smoothly. | ||
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Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points. But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well. I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:51 marvellosity wrote: 1st paragraph: ye 2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff 3rd: thx bbe 4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw) I can't really see this. I understand what you're saying but I can't understand why it couldn't come from a town. I remember suspecting him because he suddenly decided to convince people to lynch palmar. But he was already voting palmar and as I had that hard scumread on him I couldn't pursue this suspicions further. The thing about overall gameplay is that damdred was totally inside his mafia play but the Superbia thing was really a problem. It's a reminder that hard busses can happen. | ||
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On January 17 2015 22:01 justanothertownie wrote: You couldn't see town Palmar after he worked his ass off solving the game and being town all day? Staying up at ungodly times after saying he was definitely going to bed? You couldn't see how convenient it was for scum to start pushing Palmar AFTER he went to bed? After I strong scumread damdred? No Marv also stayed up, deadline is horrible to him. | ||
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On January 18 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote: gg scum played well vivax and GB's reads were so bad that I couldn't see them not being mafia. I should have been more freaked out that Artanis was agreeing with vivax because Artanis is an intelligent person. Said the guy townreading marv | ||
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Just drew this. Best manga 2015 already? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HEII1PQ.jpg) | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:11 KelsierSC wrote: you tried to scum read me because I used my phone. I admittedly said it was weak and I those quotes were about you giving similar excuses. Come on. | ||
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Wow... I've just realised that. After I moved to marv and was afk, you couldn't move anymore. Scum needed just 1 town to hammer a townie | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote: it can raise suspicon I guess but I answered it perfectly and you just ignored it and went on to the next reason to call me scum. You weren't objective about the game and that forced me to read you as scum Stop putting the blame into others play when you have read things wrong. Vivax read could have been wrong on you but his effort was townie. And you couldn't see outside the tunnel. A play can never force you to do something. You evaluate it wrong or right. Period. | ||
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On the other hand I should have noticed that if you were scum with damdred you wouldn't act like that. You would act like marv with the "I don't know" | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:44 KelsierSC wrote: I didn't realise you actually think your reads are good so again that is my fault. Oh I don't know if you're talking about me but I've ready admitted the meta case on you was weak so there's that . | ||
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I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game. | ||
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On January 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote: it was a good game, scum played really well that's why they won. I hope you or vivax weren't offended, I was just explaining why I couldn't see past the two of you as scum. Hahaha relax mate, even Robik couldn't offend me properly. I'm not one to be that easily offended. And I wasn't talking about the game per se. Just and overall thought. | ||
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On January 18 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GB, I felt the biggest problem you and Vivax had was that you tended to forget everything that made someone town when you investigated why someone was scum. It happened with both Palmar and Kelsier. Kelsier was universally townread earlier in the game and that was because he was clearly pushing the right things. When you two went back and digged into the start of the game, you had a theory that you wanted to prove rather than check if it was correct. When you're looking to prove someone is scum rather than find out their alignment, you can always find something to incriminate them. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Yeah, I have a problem of forgetting things. I should keep notes of important things :/ Thanks for the advice | ||
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