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On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
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I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game.
only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything.
like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything.
A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured
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On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. 
yes, like you, lol.
you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same 
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On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured
It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players.
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The hosting in this game has been absolutely atrocious in general.
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On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players.
I understand that, but when I saw the supposed shadow posting in the thread all I thought was "oh, I guess I should link my shadows to the qt too." and didn't give it a single further thought because it wasn't my shadow.
I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense.
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On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same
Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever.
If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play.
If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play.
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On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense.
That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable.
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On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play.
He was townread by some and scumread by some.
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On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some.
Well then it was probably bad play.
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On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable.
I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect.
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On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some.
You should never fakeclaim as town to get townread btw. If you can't do that without then you are just a bad player.
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On January 17 2015 21:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable. I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect.
I said this when I thought HTS had nothing to do with this game at all.
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On January 17 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. Well then it was probably bad play.
that's an incorrect viewpoint to look at it really. Probably sl shouldn't have fakeclaimed, and on several of the times you fakeclaimed, neither should you. "what did the other townies think" seems to be a rather bankrupt way to look at it.
"I made a great case on all 5 mafia individually and collectively, but town all thought i was scum for it" - well, you can't blame the outcome on the original action.
sl fakeclaiming was silly, but the way it went down made him absolutely town (esp. when it came to light later that multiple mafia had pushed the claim), and GB and Vivax being suspicious of him was insanely dumb.
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GB and Vivax both have a thing for being suspicious of obvious townies though. So there is that.
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On January 17 2015 21:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
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07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable. I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect. I said this when I thought HTS had nothing to do with this game at all.
fwiw, if like DP had appeared in the QT making the occasional comment, i'd have definitely wondered what was going on.
I knew several players had shadows, though, and I knew HTS was a newbie, so I just assumed that's what it was. So in that fashion the experience of HTS was relevant (as to one of your posts above)
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On January 17 2015 21:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:34 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable. I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect. I said this when I thought HTS had nothing to do with this game at all. fwiw, if like DP had appeared in the QT making the occasional comment, i'd have definitely wondered what was going on. I knew several players had shadows, though, and I knew HTS was a newbie, so I just assumed that's what it was. So in that fashion the experience of HTS was relevant (as to one of your posts above)
Stop justifying yourself. The only one I am still angry at is the host.
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On January 17 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote:
GB and Vivax both have a thing for being suspicious of obvious townies though. So there is that.
GB is still pretty new, and hopefully he should grow out of it.
Vivax should have absolutely been able to see that sl was clear town though. And with you also.
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I regret fucking up my sleep schedule for this game btw. I will never do this again. Probably will not join games with retarded deadlines like this again and if I do then I won't be awake for them.
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Had I seen when the deadline was before joining I probably wouldn't have done it anways.
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The worst part about all of this is that since Vivax has so many conspiracy theories, about 10% will be correct and because of those he's going to keep doing it
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