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On January 17 2015 21:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason.  yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same  Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. Well then it was probably bad play. that's an incorrect viewpoint to look at it really. Probably sl shouldn't have fakeclaimed, and on several of the times you fakeclaimed, neither should you. "what did the other townies think" seems to be a rather bankrupt way to look at it. "I made a great case on all 5 mafia individually and collectively, but town all thought i was scum for it" - well, you can't blame the outcome on the original action. sl fakeclaiming was silly, but the way it went down made him absolutely town (esp. when it came to light later that multiple mafia had pushed the claim), and GB and Vivax being suspicious of him was insanely dumb.
I get your point. That's not how it is always. I agree fakeclaiming "because fun" or other dumb reasons some people do it for regardless of the outcome is stupid as fuck.
But i do not do it for dumb reasons. That's where you are wrong. I have never done so. I have:
- fakeclaimed mason with the town cop to save him for getting lynched (and idiot town lynched him anyways the next day -- tbh he fucked up too for not thinking it through properly).
- fakeclaimed SK in the same game to get scum shoot me AFTER mylo (and the final mafia actually weighed the possibility of shooting me -- i was BP).
- fakeclaimed an obvious non-town nuke which revealed 4 mafia for me as for responses. Two of those people were town and after i explained why i did what i did they retreacted from their scumreads on me -- as did i for them -- leaving 2 scum, also leaving me getting SHOT ON THE SAME NIGHT AND NOONE REALIZED THOSE MAFIA WERE MAFIA for REALLY obvious reasons.
- fakeclaimed cop to get a SK to shoot me because town would not believe me he was not town. I got shot, town lynched the SK.
In case i forgot something enlighten me and how i did a bad play?
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I'm well aware of the times you've fakeclaimed, and you have an incredibly rose-tinted view of your own claims.
There's little to no point arguing with you about it really.
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It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything
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On January 17 2015 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
I'm well aware of the times you've fakeclaimed, and you have an incredibly rose-tinted view of your own claims.
There's little to no point arguing with you about it really.
Well then you don't really think about those from all the perspectives. It's quite sad because you should.
It's not just "if you fakeclaim too often noone will buy your real claims and you hurt the town" -shitlikethat. There are times and places to fakeclaim, as town and as mafia and every situation is different. You don't just pick a narrative to apply to every situation. That's just dumb imo.
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On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything
1st paragraph: ye
2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff
3rd: thx bbe
4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw)
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On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything
It's less the fluff posts and more the switch off super day2 and the ridiculous push for obvious town Palmar day5. There is no way town Artanis does not see that Palmar is clearly town that day. Worst lynch in a long time.
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On January 17 2015 21:51 marvellosity wrote:
For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw)
This is probably the best argument on Artanis this game. Besides his stupid convo with you at some point on the game which was doomed to not achieve anything. 
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On January 17 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything It's less the fluff posts and more the switch off super day2 and the ridiculous push for obvious town Palmar day5. There is no way town Artanis does not see that Palmar is clearly town that day. Worst lynch in a long time.
Yeah, this. I make those fluff posts as town all the time too because that's what gets me the enjoyment out of the game. The switch off Super was justified meekly with him not being able to get lynched anyway and favouring a Geript over Vivax lynch, but of course the real reason was that I'd prefer to lynch town over scum.
I don't think I would've gone for the Palmar lynch were it not for GB being completely convinced on him and town having given me so much credit, as well as knowing that the lineup that would be left after Palmar gets lynched is quite managable.
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On January 17 2015 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything 1st paragraph: ye 2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff 3rd: thx bbe 4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw)
I can't really see this. I understand what you're saying but I can't understand why it couldn't come from a town.
I remember suspecting him because he suddenly decided to convince people to lynch palmar. But he was already voting palmar and as I had that hard scumread on him I couldn't pursue this suspicions further.
The thing about overall gameplay is that damdred was totally inside his mafia play but the Superbia thing was really a problem. It's a reminder that hard busses can happen.
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That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred.
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I just couldn't see town palmar agreeing to lynch damdred, scumreading marv, but voting LM with marv and refusing to lynch damdred.
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On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred.
I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar.
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On January 17 2015 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I just couldn't see town palmar agreeing to lynch damdred, scumreading marv, but voting LM with marv and refusing to lynch damdred.
You couldn't see town Palmar after he worked his ass off solving the game and being town all day? Staying up at ungodly times after saying he was definitely going to bed? You couldn't see how convenient it was for scum to start pushing Palmar AFTER he went to bed?
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On January 17 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar.
Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3.
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On January 17 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. You should never fakeclaim as town to get townread btw. If you can't do that without then you are just a bad player.
I dont think thats what he means. I remember I did it mostly to catch super. I did do that
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On January 17 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar. Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3.
I'd actually like to hear what you learned about me, and it's not to gloat as I'm actually curious to the difference in order to get a better view of my game in general. I think I might also have been a little more detached from the game, not too rushed with finding things out left and right and a few joking posts at times when town would be frustrated and trying to figure out the game hard.
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On January 17 2015 22:07 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. You should never fakeclaim as town to get townread btw. If you can't do that without then you are just a bad player. I dont think thats what he means. I remember I did it mostly to catch super. I did do that
Super did not need to be caught. He was obviously mafia.
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On January 17 2015 21:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:The worst part about all of this is that since Vivax has so many conspiracy theories, about 10% will be correct and because of those he's going to keep doing it
Vivax called everyone scum literally everyone how can I take his word for anything. I believe my ingame words were.
Well if you call everyone scum your only right about 30% of the time. Thats not a good percentage.
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On January 17 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar. Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3. I'd actually like to hear what you learned about me, and it's not to gloat as I'm actually curious to the difference in order to get a better view of my game in general. I think I might also have been a little more detached from the game, not too rushed with finding things out left and right and a few joking posts at times when town would be frustrated and trying to figure out the game hard.
If you think that I will share my findings before I am able to use them at least once then you are crazy ^_-
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On January 17 2015 22:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 22:07 sicklucker wrote:On January 17 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. You should never fakeclaim as town to get townread btw. If you can't do that without then you are just a bad player. I dont think thats what he means. I remember I did it mostly to catch super. I did do that Super did not need to be caught. He was obviously mafia.
well people still voted gerit over him when me and two or 3 mafia voted super so apparently not
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