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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 10:15 GMT
#10001
Artanis, really really well played yo.

Damdred, you played well also. The buss was really well done IMO.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:05 GMT
#10002
I'm sorry that I didn't play super well this game. It was a while since I played mafia also. But part of the problem was also that the level of the game and the players in it was really high. I generally don't play normal games, but try to play minis more. I think my playstyle (as town) is alot of rereading and reevaluating reads, but when the game is like this, you go away for a few hours and there is like 20 new pages, that kind of playstyle becomes harder. I don't even think I was that inactive, this is pretty much my normal post/day count I think, its just that alot of players in this game was far far more posty than me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 17 2015 11:09 GMT
#10003
On January 17 2015 19:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, really really well played yo.

Damdred, you played well also. The buss was really well done IMO.

so little credit, lol :<

the main thing that baffled me was how many townies pushed on people who were almost certainly town.

like Vivax pushing on jat and sl just made my mind 'splode. And then Vivax constantly attacks me for not agreeing with his narratives when the narratives are always nonsense :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:12 GMT
#10004
On January 17 2015 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 19:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, really really well played yo.

Damdred, you played well also. The buss was really well done IMO.

so little credit, lol :<

the main thing that baffled me was how many townies pushed on people who were almost certainly town.

like Vivax pushing on jat and sl just made my mind 'splode. And then Vivax constantly attacks me for not agreeing with his narratives when the narratives are always nonsense :/

I mean, most players thought you were scum so : D. But I guess its really hard to play scum if you are you, and are being alive at D6 : P.

But yhea, Vivax play was wierd at times. But maybe its just a stylistic thing? Sometimes it felt like he got a massive conspiracy theory in his head and ignored anything but it for a few hours, before he began to think rationally again. Maybe this is not a bad thing though, as long as you are able to drop your theory after a while, which I Vivax did.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 11:19:09
January 17 2015 11:14 GMT
#10005
can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?

not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p

There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.

edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!

Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:21 GMT
#10006
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?

not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p

There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
I mean, from town PoV Artanis and Damdred looked pretty confirmed town to post players. Vivax was one of the few players that actually was pushing a bit for them. I was thinking he was bad for doing that, but it turns out that he was the one being right for having an open mind.

Its obviously easy to say it was a bad move to push for SL post game, but hard when you are actutally playing.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:22 GMT
#10007
but calling people obvious townies was kinda what made us lose in a sense, no?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 17 2015 11:23 GMT
#10008
it's not hard, i'd push sl 0/100 times there as town. I just wouldn't. The reasons for him to be town were clear as day and didn't require extra info.

Palmar and GB caught Damdred because Damdred was totally uninteresting compared to his towngame. But there was so much extracurricular noise that it just didn't matter.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 17 2015 11:23 GMT
#10009
On January 17 2015 20:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
but calling people obvious townies was kinda what made us lose in a sense, no?

no, because you lynch the mafia in front of you (Damdred, marv) and you give yourself the time you need to figure out the sleeper (Artanis) at a later date.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 17 2015 11:25 GMT
#10010
wow Artanis! wp!
table for two on a tv tray
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:30 GMT
#10011
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town. I never really care too much about meta arguments, maybe I should?

Like I kept bringing up you being less present and less involved than you should've been, but at the same time, someone said that you said you would try to keep down your town play in a previous game? To me, this seems like an WIFOM argument to use against you, no? If we got lynched, then we would've all looked cool and stuff, but if you were town, this would not be the case.

Compare it to Palmar, another high profile player, who was very uninvolved. Was it the correct decision to lynch him? I mean, OBVIOUSLY NOY because he was town. But thats why I kinda dislike that type of argument in general.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 17 2015 11:32 GMT
#10012
On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town. I never really care too much about meta arguments, maybe I should?

Like I kept bringing up you being less present and less involved than you should've been, but at the same time, someone said that you said you would try to keep down your town play in a previous game? To me, this seems like an WIFOM argument to use against you, no? If we got lynched, then we would've all looked cool and stuff, but if you were town, this would not be the case.

Compare it to Palmar, another high profile player, who was very uninvolved. Was it the correct decision to lynch him? I mean, OBVIOUSLY NOY because he was town. But thats why I kinda dislike that type of argument in general.

You should care about meta arguments when they actually are correct.
The meta on Damdred was -- and will be (until he proves us wrong ^^) -- spot on.

I actually thought one of marv / Artanis was mafia at some point when they had an argument that was really stupid. But only one. Then i decided it had to be marv because Artanis "is town".
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 17 2015 11:35 GMT
#10013
On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town.

i should clarify that i am not claiming that at all :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 17 2015 11:39 GMT
#10014
On January 17 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town.

i should clarify that i am not claiming that at all :p

Haha, okey. But still.

And regarding Damdred, his push on superbia seemed very genuine. I seldom see scum players make bussus of that kind. So even though it may be true that he wasn't invovled, I still felt good about him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 17 2015 11:44 GMT
#10015
Vivax you were never winning this one at lylo. You would've had to convince both sl and kelsier to switch and they had scumreads on you and townreads on basically everyone voting lm. You had too many strange theories this game to convince everyone. Also, you seemed to forget everything that happened prior that made someone town, like SL having two mafia push him when he fakes means he's town roughly 101 out of 100 times. You're also very susceptible to tunneling. Being paranoid is good but don't forget the reasons that you had for townreading people either.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 17 2015 11:54 GMT
#10016
On January 17 2015 20:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town.

i should clarify that i am not claiming that at all :p

Haha, okey. But still.

And regarding Damdred, his push on superbia seemed very genuine. I seldom see scum players make bussus of that kind. So even though it may be true that he wasn't invovled, I still felt good about him.

it's not uncommon at all babe. especially on 'dead' members (totally inactive, looking really scummy already)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 17 2015 12:04 GMT
#10017
On January 17 2015 13:00 Vivax wrote:
JAT: Don't make the thread fucking unreadable and please learn a posting style that focuses on analysis.

Maybe YOU should learn how this game works instead.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 17 2015 12:05 GMT
#10018
On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun

Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 17 2015 12:08 GMT
#10019
On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun

Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play.

Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason.
table for two on a tv tray
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 17 2015 12:09 GMT
#10020
On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:

justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?

because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way?

It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement.

This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game.
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