Since the deadlines are so terrible, given the holiday season, I propose this day ends 48 hours later or from now.
This allows everyone to play at their own pace on christmas eve and christmas day and eliminates the problem of having a deadline on christmas day. The regular time cycle would continue afterward.
Please submit a vote to me via PM of either "vote: yes" or "vote: no". Elongating the day requires a majority vote.
Yep LS is scum, like its pretty clear that he has no real scum reads at this point. His push on Kush earlier in the game looked ok and gave him abit of town cred his vote on marv looks nothing more than a bus and he has not scum hunted pas kush.
Damdred you will regret lynching me and kush is my only read at the moment. Let me ask you this Damdred if I was scum why the hell would I soft Claim VT Day 1 and why would I dislike playing scum so much? I hate playing VT and would of liked to be the Cop or Serial Killer in this game simply because VT got no powers except for voting and I already said my dislike of playing VT in Carol of the Bells Mafia in the pregame as scip said earlier. What motivation do I have to kill Palmer based on his night play on the night he died?
On December 17 2014 12:18 Breshke wrote: I know the games you were refering to with kush SL and there is actually a difference in his play in the town game he actually gave some content whereas the scum gave he gave 0. To say he was useless both games would be wrong.
In student he didn't give much on reads and scum hunting as town and as mafia in Campus in the pregame he was so hyped up on the lineup but then mainly lurked and just faded and got lynched for it. He mainly been useless as both town and scum so it hard to judge him meta wise.
Heres your first push on Kush, you mention the game that he was scum but the most recent game you played with kush or the two most recent games he was useless town (carol of the bells) and in the last student mafia game he was ok then went inactive the reverse of here basically.
YOu give Palmar free town read d1 for no reason based on russia mafia and yet when even palmar says no you still give him free town reads. Looking at your filter you give a ton of free town reads.
On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote: Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before.
I once again like NB's logic but I think you also have to look at it from the perspective that if marv is town, mafia would be hesitant to jump on the wagon as well because other than bunnies i havn't seen any actual logic on why we should vote marv.
This being said some other reads from him would be nice.
How about a lynch on Kush I made a case although I dont't it's the best but not the worst one earlier in the thread if you want to check it.
A bit more soft defend and push off of marv and agreeing with marvs mafia partner bresh.
On December 19 2014 03:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly since no one is going for my case I might as well join. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity
This vote feels like a throw away vote and like a bus vote, well since nobody is jumping on kush i might as well be on marv for that town flip.
On December 19 2014 03:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly since no one is going for my case I might as well join. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity
Marv claimed scum why wouldn't we vote him out?
Please show me where marv claimed scum
Why you do this thing and not let LS respond to me!
I personally would go for a Kush lynch as I made a small case for lynching Kush but if you guys feel like you can contribute to the case I'm all ears.
So you would take all of us off marv to get on kush? What if kush is town are you that sure hes scum?
I sure he's scum yes but also the case on marv is much better than my case on kush maybe Day 2 we could lynch Kush.
At one point you try to push off of marv and onto kush but then all of a sudden the case on marv never changes and all of a sudden the case on him is stronger than on kush? Thats weird progression.
You would rather keep Coag around to see if he changes is in your filter as well. Several places in your filter it seems like you soft defend people to set up mislynches later.
Nno scum hunting besides a total tunnel on kush, you say you have scum reads but don't give them.
Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you after all of this?
And honestly i'm ignoring nk and possible ramifications at this point because the only reason scum kills Palmar is because they don't think they can mislynch him, which he was impossible to kill by lynch.
Sc was possible scum to me however i reread his filter, and i don't think scum in the situation hes in puts together that type of case after claiming role block and really pushed for that lynch. I don't think scum does that.
On December 17 2014 12:18 Breshke wrote: I know the games you were refering to with kush SL and there is actually a difference in his play in the town game he actually gave some content whereas the scum gave he gave 0. To say he was useless both games would be wrong.
In student he didn't give much on reads and scum hunting as town and as mafia in Campus in the pregame he was so hyped up on the lineup but then mainly lurked and just faded and got lynched for it. He mainly been useless as both town and scum so it hard to judge him meta wise.
Heres your first push on Kush, you mention the game that he was scum but the most recent game you played with kush or the two most recent games he was useless town (carol of the bells) and in the last student mafia game he was ok then went inactive the reverse of here basically.
YOu give Palmar free town read d1 for no reason based on russia mafia and yet when even palmar says no you still give him free town reads. Looking at your filter you give a ton of free town reads.
On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote: Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before.
I once again like NB's logic but I think you also have to look at it from the perspective that if marv is town, mafia would be hesitant to jump on the wagon as well because other than bunnies i havn't seen any actual logic on why we should vote marv.
This being said some other reads from him would be nice.
How about a lynch on Kush I made a case although I dont't it's the best but not the worst one earlier in the thread if you want to check it.
A bit more soft defend and push off of marv and agreeing with marvs mafia partner bresh.
On December 19 2014 03:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly since no one is going for my case I might as well join. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity
Marv claimed scum why wouldn't we vote him out?
Please show me where marv claimed scum
Why you do this thing and not let LS respond to me!
I personally would go for a Kush lynch as I made a small case for lynching Kush but if you guys feel like you can contribute to the case I'm all ears.
So you would take all of us off marv to get on kush? What if kush is town are you that sure hes scum?
I sure he's scum yes but also the case on marv is much better than my case on kush maybe Day 2 we could lynch Kush.
At one point you try to push off of marv and onto kush but then all of a sudden the case on marv never changes and all of a sudden the case on him is stronger than on kush? Thats weird progression.
You would rather keep Coag around to see if he changes is in your filter as well. Several places in your filter it seems like you soft defend people to set up mislynches later.
Nno scum hunting besides a total tunnel on kush, you say you have scum reads but don't give them.
Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you after all of this?
I was being honest about Breshke and I was even more shock he would defend me when he was Scum and so did Marv now my push on kush yes it was weak and only swap to marv because my vote would of been a total throw away vote but I did change my vote after someone told me he claimed scum and so I changed in response. Now why would mafia defend me so hard early on Day 1 and why would I pigeon hole myself by claiming VT Day 1? I feel like either you or Kush is the last one but knowing Palmar said Kush made him wait a entire Day phase to be lynched I can see Kush doing it this game and thus he got to be scum.
Okay after rereading stuff since I got home I just came in a new conclusion that Damdred himself is the last scum and taking a page out of Kush's book. Let's start out at his Entrance to the game where he made a weird post
On December 17 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote: I'm town at work ignore me while I catch up
Now if he really wanted everyone to ignore him then he shouldn't of made a post like this and he defended his shortly after someone took notice of the post
On December 17 2014 08:03 Damdred wrote: Because it's better thread know I'm here catching up rather than lurking while catching up.
This seemed scummy to do that type of play especially from Damdred where he never made such entrances as town at least on Carol of the Bells and Student IV where I played with him as either alignment and he entrances were much better there than here.
Next Damdred didn't like me and other people defending me on meta as seen in the following posts
On December 17 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote: I actually have a few good town reads right now my top town is a surprise.
Town Leans: Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town.
VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there.
Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him.
Would lynch today:
Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts.
SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play.
I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried.
@damdred Can you explain what you've seen from VE that makes you think he is town? His only reads so far seem to be slight town on marv and mafia on Palmar which you seem to strongly disagree with.
Also, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence of that quote where something is worrying you?
I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing.
LS has a ton of people hard defending him based on meta right out of the gate, and that concerns me honestly.
On December 17 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote: I actually have a few good town reads right now my top town is a surprise.
Town Leans: Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town.
VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there.
Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him.
Would lynch today:
Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts.
SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play.
I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried.
@damdred Can you explain what you've seen from VE that makes you think he is town? His only reads so far seem to be slight town on marv and mafia on Palmar which you seem to strongly disagree with.
Also, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence of that quote where something is worrying you?
I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing.
Kinda wishy/washy and unsubstantiated for a supposedly strong town read. Says you are putting in effort [granted you can do that as mafia]. And he "understands what you're doing". Just very vague.
Like, by this point I have several specific things I could point to to justify my top couple town reads.
On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote: LS has a ton of people hard defending him based on meta right out of the gate, and that concerns me honestly.
Concerns you because you think LS is scum or you think the people defending him are scum? or both?
For the record, I can only recall myself and Bereshke defending him. And I guess marv said the case was "icky"
I am not sold either way. Someone shouldn't be judged obviously based solely on meta reasons. For example hen he was scum in student mafia it looked really really close to his town game and it was only a couple things that gave him away. So meta wise he is easy to copy.
He seems to dismiss both Palmar's case and my post as inconclusive because they are based on meta reasons. But... they weren't at all based on meta reasons. In fact, neither Palmar nor I have even played with LS before.
On December 17 2014 05:30 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry my late entrance my mom told me that she was taking me to get a hair cut but we went to a couple stores and had lunch T_T I think the first post is just silly I would of expected that from sicklucker for meta reasons but not scib. Okay let's try to win this game plain and simple Anyone want to discuss with me?
Inherent guilt. He's like the 4th person to post in the thread and apologizes for it.
On December 17 2014 05:30 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry my late entrance my mom told me that she was taking me to get a hair cut but we went to a couple stores and had lunch T_T I think the first post is just silly I would of expected that from sicklucker for meta reasons but not scib. Okay let's try to win this game plain and simple Anyone want to discuss with me?
You seem to be implying that the silliness of my first post is scummy? If so, please explain why it is scummy. Or are you simply noting that it is silly?
I wasn't trying to say it was scummy I just stating it was just silly that's all :O
If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative.
On December 17 2014 05:46 Palmar wrote: Now I want to lynch lightningstrike for suggesting I read more than the absolute bare minimum required.
You'll be hitting yourself when my role is revealed
When confronted with what is basically a troll accusation, he immediately goes for the defense again. Further, he does not entertain the possibility that me or anyone else pushing him might be mafia, just straight up "look, I'm not mafia".
On December 17 2014 11:22 sciberbia wrote: I think LightningStrike is likely town for two reasons. Actually three but I'm omitting one.
First, after being put under pressure by Palmar and JAT, he maintained his high activity level, and continued to say some dubious/odd things. See spoiler for a few examples + Show Spoiler [LS] +
I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut
My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons.
Well, you're now lynch target #1.
Your time to shine bro, find a new #1.
I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game.
I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut
My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons.
Well, you're now lynch target #1.
Your time to shine bro, find a new #1.
I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game.
I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred
What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out.
No I really am a headbanger this game that why I dislike my role -.- Possibly Palmer but as I said I will need to dive into his past games to figure out his meta.
On December 17 2014 06:25 Palmar wrote: It just sounds like he accidentally forgot how to English.
"unlike LS (who hates her role) i got my most despised role"
WTF!??!!?
Fine if you going to call me a girl just call me Arya then.....
Since by all accounts he is a bit of a timid player, I would expect a scum LS to get a bit scared, clam up a bit, and try to avoid being talked about if at all possible. But on the contrary, he seems completely unafraid of being noticed and that is not something I would expect from a timid scum player.
Second, I agree with Robik that LS's handling of the 1-10 question is unlikely to come from a scum LS. Put yourself in scum!LS's shoes. You were just asked how happy you are with your role. You want to sound like you are town so you should probably say something like 10/10 because I love playing town or 1/10 because I hate playing town.
Does it really seem likely LS would think things through to the level of: I'm going to say 1/10 but not explain it. I'll be really coy about it and leave people to wonder why I said 1/10. If somebody really pushes me on it, I'll claim VT and say that I hate playing VT.
Seems too devious for a timid newbie scum.
Furthermore, Breshke does have a point about scum being unlikely to pidgeonhole themselves into a particular role claim so early in the game.
Finally, in the pregrame of LXIX he let it be known that VT is in fact his least favorite role. This makes the townie explanation of his answer and followup very easy to understand (he is new and was just being honest).
On December 09 2014 02:48 LightningStrike wrote: I can't wait for this to start! I love all the roles but the Elf....
I get the feeling he is scum and having trouble coming up with good, specific reasons to justify his stated reads. VE, were you getting the same feeling or do you disagree?
@Damdred If you feel like VE is a solid read, can you point to something specific in his filter that you think he would not post as scum?
Firstly, saying that VE is a solid read at this point does not mean that I have a strong read on him. That is why he is under the Town LEAN category in my catch up post.
Ok, and the point is? You basically repeated what I said. Thats the thing though just because I have a read one way or another doesn't mean I have to turn the read into a huge town post why that person is town. Hes possibly town hes in my town pile today unless he does something or someone puts together a head turning case.
This next part is a lie, I say that I hate people hard defending LS based on meta, his meta was brought up by himself (which i really dislike) and bresh talked about it. I think LS has a scum tell that i'd rather not mention until later, but why lie about what I actually said. No where did I even talk about Palmars case you are making things up honestly.
On December 17 2014 05:44 Palmar wrote: Also marv is kinda scummy for lurking instead of posting.
hey now, I often work out after I've finished with work, bitch.
##Vote: coagulation
Remember?
The fact you went right to "bitch" there is kinda mafia.
But it's ok for now.
I REEEEALLY don't like the bolded. It's like trying to throw mafia on marv for literally no reason.
Like, it kinda feels like the kind of read Palmar makes as town, but it's on MARV, someone who A) is extraordinarily hard to read by default and B) someone who is likely to have clout moving further into the game. There's a decently high possibility that it was a joke too.
Also the thing at the end "But it's okay for now" reminds me of our first game together when he seemed to follow every criticism with something like "but that doesn't bother me much" or "but that's okay" etc.
On the plus side, regardless of his alignment, that pretty much makes LS a safe vote! :D
I like this post plus the follow up explanation, his call out on me on my entrance post i felt was towny. His post since haven't read as scummy, he has covered people been invested and not tunneled. He is a solid read atm
Here this post this seemed like a odd post it was posted Night 1
On December 19 2014 09:33 Damdred wrote: Don't check me honestly, it would be a waste
Why would he say that if he's town? That is was one of the weirdest stuff I seen Damdred because he was already acting scummy/nullish during Day 1 and said not to check him because it would be a waste? It wouldn't be a waste if he was scum that he was saying here.
Now at Day when Breshke got killed as Mafia by our vig he asked who was Vig and claimed Vet at the same time in this post
On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim
I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well
Now why would he claim Vet so early in Day 2 if there was higher priority targets than himself? It's because he wants to deceive people and prevent people from counter claiming Vet.
Next he tried to defend his claim to Palmar on why he claimed he so early and it seemed fishy
On December 20 2014 05:43 Damdred wrote: Honestly though, i've played like shit the entire game because i'm not having any fun in the game (which i'm sorry about FF put together a good game its just me right now). All of my posts are kinda meh and i'm playing like shit.
Balance wise there is only 3 power roles for town more than likely, maybe four with a serial killer. If someone else comes forward as a power role I would lynch between them and me soon as you can, doesn't make much sense balance wise.
I am not going to get shot at all because I look pretty scummy and there was enough going on in the thread to look at me in a bad way and if they really want i'm sure they could role block and shoot me.
While in that post he came up with a 3 power roles for town for this game when it could be 2 in reality with RNG from FF on giving people roles although balance wise it would be fine to have 3 power roles for town vs 4 enemies of the town to make sure town got something going for Day 2 or 3.
Later at Start of Night 3 he changed his role claim Medic which seemed weird to change claims over a Day Phase after he claimed Vet as seen in this post
On December 22 2014 00:14 Damdred wrote: Duck ok.
I thought I could get by on a vet claim and scrum ignore me. I protected Palomar last night and was going to protect bunnies tonight and laugh Tommorow.
It was a plan maybe bad I'm sorry
Now I can see why would claim Vet as Medic but it's a dumb to claim a power role if you really are a power role at Day 2 unless you were 27NB because she was the one who shot Breske or are completely useless like I was in Carol of the Bells when I claimed Ghost of Christmas Present because of the setup there but otherwise he shouldn't of claimed a power role unless he was being put up for lynch by the majority of people which makes the whole claiming stuff fishy by him.
Now my conclusion it's why would Damdred be the perfect Candidate to kill Palmar?
Palmar earlier in the thread had called out Damdred on his Vet claim and pressured Damdred on it but later Palmar did change his views on Damdred but Damdred would rather have his mouth shut than live to lead us today at Day 3 finding the last Mafia member.
On December 24 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: ls is so mafia lolz
If you really think I mafia go for it I not hiding shit like I did in Student Mafia IV. Just remember when I get lynched and I flipped town you can only blame yourself and not others on your decision to go after me.
Look at how you are playing, supposidly Kush is your #1 scum read all game and all of a sudden you lose it and go on me, and make a case that doesn't make me mafia in the least.
Basically your case is, damdred came into the game oddly, your point about me never making posts like that in x games don't really matter as the timing of the entrance is totally different in those games i was one of the top three posters in both games here I came into the game like five hours late and twenty pages behind so totally different.
Palmar agree'd with me about setup, theres not much more to say here NB believes me. with two kill powers you generally will have three town roles, it has been documented in the thread before hand and evidence shown to back this up.
Honestly if you get lynched at town here its becuase you haven't shown towniness in what you have done, at this point all you have done is somewhat defended mafia tried t get people off marv onto kush (your only scum read up to this point). and ask people why they don't have you as town, you haven't pressured people to find alignments or anything, you hae barely asked questions.
So tell me why I shoudl be reading you as town here. Honestly I probably wouldn't lynch you today just because i can't take two huge questin marks to mylo but yea
On December 24 2014 11:31 Damdred wrote: Look at how you are playing, supposidly Kush is your #1 scum read all game and all of a sudden you lose it and go on me, and make a case that doesn't make me mafia in the least.
Basically your case is, damdred came into the game oddly, your point about me never making posts like that in x games don't really matter as the timing of the entrance is totally different in those games i was one of the top three posters in both games here I came into the game like five hours late and twenty pages behind so totally different.
Palmar agree'd with me about setup, theres not much more to say here NB believes me. with two kill powers you generally will have three town roles, it has been documented in the thread before hand and evidence shown to back this up.
Honestly if you get lynched at town here its becuase you haven't shown towniness in what you have done, at this point all you have done is somewhat defended mafia tried t get people off marv onto kush (your only scum read up to this point). and ask people why they don't have you as town, you haven't pressured people to find alignments or anything, you hae barely asked questions.
So tell me why I shoudl be reading you as town here. Honestly I probably wouldn't lynch you today just because i can't take two huge questin marks to mylo but yea
Fine lynch me then and face yourself then idc anymore I not going to change my stance and that's final.
See and thats why I think your mafia, your not even getting that much pressure i'm telling you whats wrong with your case and why i'm acting the way I am and your response isn't
"Well this is why i'm town I want you to reconsider. Maybe i'm wrong"
instead you are like
"No, lynch me idc"
Thats super anti-town, like i just said i probably wouldn't want to lynch you today but you have to at least try today if you are town
I just disproved your entire case, it doesn't make you mafia at all. You try to compare diferent games where I enter the thread at totally different points in the cycle one is within minutes the other is hours later, setup can be debated but its the most likely as proof in teh thread has been provided against two kill powers three power roles are better for balance even Palmar admitted that and said my plan wasn't to bad.
The case you posted on me does not make me mafia at all it just makes me playing differently than I would as VT which you normally do as blue.
Of course you can convince me i'm here talking to you if I was 100% you were mafia i wouldn't be talking to you
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