TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

On December 05 2014 04:09 liancourt wrote:
/in

On December 09 2014 22:48 Half the Sky wrote:
Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.

On December 09 2014 22:58 liancourt wrote:


I havent played with u

how would u know my meta

Ur assuming things

And soft accusing me as scum by saying i m odd

totally mafiya traits lynch this scum

On December 10 2014 00:38 liancourt wrote:


Then what does it mean? U are so sure of this why?

On December 10 2014 00:35 liancourt wrote:
9 sicklucker wrote:
Veg Kill lian he wouldnt use the same meta two games inarow. But that meta favors his mafia play

On December 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:


oh is that what it looks like?

low hanging fruit meta?

On December 10 2014 08:27 liancourt wrote:


am i playing that meta right now though?

On December 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:


because u are playing the game

do i look like i'm playing the low hanging fruit meta?

a simple yes or no would suffice

On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason

On December 10 2014 08:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
And seeing as I'm being completely ignored at the moment
(Seriously what's the point of me defending myself if no one is even going to interact with me?)

I'll leave you with a video of my college choir singing Christmas Music. This is us singing Carol of the Bells

On December 10 2014 09:10 liancourt wrote:


sson hijole chupazi loco

On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:
So yeah.
Please spend time talking about 27nb.
Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town.

Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her?

On December 12 2014 10:20 liancourt wrote:
am i the only one that can read slam?

i correctly read him in previous games as town and scum and such and he is town this game too.

It's so easy to read slam. It doesn't require any finesse at all. if he's playing like me he is town. If he's actually trying to be townie and being serious he is scum.

And also he agrees with me on kel :D

## vote kelsier

On December 12 2014 10:30 liancourt wrote:


i read him as scum in that game if you cant recall and i was right.

And u obviously cant read slam, but no matter.

what do u think of kel?

On December 14 2014 05:00 liancourt wrote:
Consolidate on kel cos tube is putting a lot of effort and mafia well tend not to do that when they have a majority.

On December 14 2014 05:17 liancourt wrote:
The fact that tube is spewing out scum reads should mean something. Totally bleeding town putting way too much effort to be mafia.

Get on the kel wagon

On December 14 2014 05:21 liancourt wrote:


Say what now?

Kel is marley?

On December 14 2014 05:40 liancourt wrote:
Stop throwing votes and vote kel

On December 14 2014 05:47 liancourt wrote:


This is such a bad reason.

If u vote kel there will be enough votes

On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:

will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him

On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.

Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes.

On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god.

On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC.

The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with:




This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny.

Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read.

This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like?

KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance.

KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation.
Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis.

His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.

Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.

The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.

In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else.

Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.

On December 14 2014 05:40 liancourt wrote:
Stop throwing votes and vote kel

On December 14 2014 06:53 Fecalfeast wrote:

Being lynched doesn't confirm anything about your reads except the motivation behind them, sorry.

On December 14 2014 06:44 rsoultin wrote:
@Xata

Dude, you haven't wanted to lynch KSC all game. Trfel brought some good points against him. Do you have comments? Or a defense for KSC? Cause if not he's likely to be lynched.

I'll be honest, you're the sole reason I haven't switched over to him already.

On December 14 2014 07:05 liancourt wrote:


you said earlier why we should vote kel and said that kel didnt have enough votes.

now we have enough votes. Why aren't you voting him???

he is a contender for lynch and yet you are still voting for ff

On December 14 2014 08:16 liancourt wrote:
hey rit shoot hf

On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them.

On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:


anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans

but no one did...why?

i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip.

What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself.

Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in.

HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this.

He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless.

On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:


anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans

but no one did...why?

i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip.

What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself.

Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in.

HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this.

He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless.

On December 14 2014 08:39 liancourt wrote:


why is xat going to die?

On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:


obi is super town or super bussed his team mate.

but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel.

But lets see how HF flips.

Rit shoot HF

Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot.

On December 14 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:


sorry hf but you're really detrimental to town right now

town benefits from ur godlike analysis and pushing power and thread presence

but you have none of that this game and sure you have IRL stuff going on.

Even you have said in the past that mafia like to make IRL excuses for their inactiveness or untownlilike play.

I'm sorry HF but I think it's a heavy burden for town to keep you alive.

On December 14 2014 08:57 liancourt wrote:


stop defending yourself and shoiw me your past greatness

On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon.

I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless.

It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely.

All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.

On December 16 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:


Anyone saying to kill me before this must be mafia. Absolutely ridiculous that me and ritoky would be mafia together.

On December 16 2014 07:56 liancourt wrote:


why didnt rit vote HF to save kel????

HF mafia

please I want HF to flip so I can analyze the shizwihiznit of the day 2 votes

vote HF kill rito tomorrow

On December 16 2014 08:04 liancourt wrote:


i want you to flip first it will tell me a lot more information

rit flipping now will tell me nothing

On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:


I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time.

If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1.

On December 16 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:


i'm trying to think of all possiblities

a world where town rit is playing so bad that he shot into a vet or protectee

On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:


I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him.

Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train.

I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched.

On December 16 2014 08:34 liancourt wrote:


omg bats is so town to me

yes rit and hf have been playing so so suboptimally. They aren't finding scum and it isn't odd for HF to bus his scum buddies.

On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
suboptimally

On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:


I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.

As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.

On December 16 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:


are you purposefully trying to get lynched before HF for some reason???

is HF mass murderer???

On December 17 2014 08:56 liancourt wrote:
Nigella save bats

We lynch hf tomorrow.

Why did rit vote his scum partner instead of hf???

seriously are ppl blind????

On December 20 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote:
It ll be 8 3 tomorrow
5 3 the next day and ml town lose

we have 1 ml left.

lynch hf

On December 20 2014 10:20 liancourt wrote:
Impov

hf is faking it.

Just kill me scum i rly just care now gb is being brainwashed by hf or gb is scum. I just want to clap hf for never being lynched and give slaps to all town mainly vivax ls hts ras.

Scum lust

Hf
Temp
Xat
Maybe oats

town lust

me
sl
ff
gb
Slam
ls
hts
Vivax
Maybe ras

On December 14 2014 05:47 liancourt wrote:


This is such a bad reason.

If u vote kel there will be enough votes