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Lol, okay...
Viva, you backed off KSC for basically telling you that he plays town differently than you.
Xata, you basically WIFOMd that scum wouldn't make a play like that so read him as town.
Neither were great reasons.
Viva was even on top of KSC (and Xata by proxy) through most of Day 1, but then started focusing primarily on the reads of the killed townies for Day 2. You also did say that you'd more or less accepted both their arguments, so you going for an HF lynch isn't that out of character in that context, apart from not putting the work in like you did with your other reads.
Xata has consistently made reads/arguments based off the assumption that mafia won't do anything to draw attention to itself, and I believe was the first one to call out KSCs play and actually examine it beyond just asking what the hell he was doing asking scrooge to claim. This reads to me as a consistent bias against "ballsy" scum (made a similar argument against my comments on GB/ritoky earlier) and not necessarily protecting a partner.
Unless you two have more against one another, these points alone don't seem significant enough to scumread each other. Am I missing a key point somewhere?
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He'd said before that he didn't want to lynch HF, didn't buy the case or the reasons. A lot of us were switching votes onto our third, fourth, fifth choices to avoid lynching town reads.
You could more or less make the same case against most of the people on the KSC lynch train, is the point.
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I just filter-dived both of you, to be honest, and while I saw some questionable logic on both ends, I didn't get the impression that either of you were acting scummy. (And Viva, I was looking at you particularly close, even beginning to build a case, but there really wasn't one there to my eyes.)
I don't really understand the obsession with the town flips' scum lists though, Viva. That was your primary focus all day yesterday. Why? You don't really think scum is killing people for their scum lists like Tube does, do you?
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On December 15 2014 05:21 Alakaslam wrote:
You must see me vig
Yes
You see I have led you on the path of CHUPAZI
Yes
Indeed for at first there was failure; I spoke against the snare
Yes
Then there was confusion; I pointed as one also confused
For shame
Then I saw my former ways; I felt Tubesock must live however
Indeed
Nonetheless eventually we returned to the ways of my past
Yes
And we experienced victory
YEEEEEES
So now see also the ways of my past; I also disliked the LS
Orly?
Yes; I scumread the LS
Wow
So now I tell you he wants to kill GLOWINGBEAR
Duh
Who knows!
KNOWS WHAT?!?
Knows of the scums!
Yes
Therefore you must shoot LS for he wants Tubesock AND GB dead!
And still thinks HF is town!
Yes
Lol, slam...regardless of your alignment, your more-than-occasional inscrutability at times, and what I actually think of your reads, I like having you around. Your posts make me smile.
That said, unless you've got a counterclaim for LS' claim or are just really certain, I'd think taking out the possible lylo problems would be more productive. I.e. froggy, for one. That guy still is coasting.
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Xmas Present I think @ Slam
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On December 15 2014 05:58 sicklucker wrote:
Like slam might be mafia just for suggesting to shoot Ls rofl. like its so technically bad is this typical town slam to ignore an un cced role claim?
Lol so reactionary. It was one post in thousands.
And I do wonder why LS isn't really playing anymore, tch.
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On December 15 2014 06:04 Trfel wrote:
I still don't see the point of role claiming at all here.
There could be one Ghost of Christmas Present, or fifteen, or zero. Counterclaiming doesn't prove anything about LightningStrike's alignment. The lack of a counterclaim also doesn't show anything about LightningStrike, since the Ghost of Christmas Present could simply have chosen not to claim, or there could be zero of that role in the game.
While technically true, how likely is it that we've got fifteen random Xmas Present ghosts and no other ghosts?
And why run the risk of claiming something someone else could CC and getting thrown into the spotlight?
Though this here is the very reason that mass claiming is such an awful idea.
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Doubt SL is talking about HF there slam.
SL thinks HF is scum and is firmly on the Rit/GB team lol.
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Explain your town reads, too, please. If they're supposed to be self-evident, they're not.
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On December 15 2014 06:59 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care what you all think of me cause I'm claiming after night ends so we can proceed and lynch Xatalos. I'm very eager to see if the people saying "scum is between me and Xata" will act like they said that.
Flawed. Just...flawed. You've already claimed you have a role, so it's not going to matter now if you wait or not if you're not scum so...why don't you just out with it then?
Not to mention Trfel (and others) have already pointed out the problem with claiming this game -_- So why you feel the need to throw it out there now I have no idea.
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Is everyone really that scared of being picked off by the vig? Lolol.
I'll acknowledge that knowing the specific role is better, but if it's unknown you're still a prime target there Viva. This is just ridiculous.
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Well...technically ritoky was the hammer vote. He was #7. But OWS was right. If Xata hadn't switched, and Trfel still did, without those two the lynch on KSC wouldn't have happened.
Viva, you're grasping at straws it seems.
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On December 15 2014 07:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:22 rsoultin wrote:
Well...technically ritoky was the hammer vote. He was #7. But OWS was right. If Xata hadn't switched, and Trfel still did, without those two the lynch on KSC wouldn't have happened.
Viva, you're grasping at straws it seems. I don't care, I'm posting at night, I'm sharing my thoughts, I don't care how wrong I am or how bad they look, anyone who knows my scum play (diplomatic, kinda active D1 and then I become super inactive) knows that this is town me and not scum me, plus I'm going to claim a role of which we know there's only one at day start. Suck it up.
No such role exists.
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Doubt it.
Doubt if he's town that mafia will off him either.
This will be an ongoing argument until he either flips or game ends.
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We have several people in this game convinced to the point of ridiculousness that HF is scum, has to be scum, and couldn't be anything else. Which...maybe they're stubborn, but I don't see a strong case for that.
The argument that HF never would seem like scum as scum is so WIFOM it's just...bleh
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Okay, well, if we wanted to know why Trfel had such a weird FF read, I think that's our answer right there.
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Oh, I'm sure he'll claim he was RBd or something.
##vote: ritoky
Also, I know this might sound weird coming from me since trfel just posted it, but I've been getting an uneasy feeling about SL myself. It's hard to pin down.
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On December 15 2014 08:08 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, I'm sure he'll claim he was RBd or something.
##vote: ritoky
Also, I know this might sound weird coming from me since trfel just posted it, but I've been getting an uneasy feeling about SL myself. It's hard to pin down.
EBWOP:
I've been assuming that he wasn't because his crazy joyful child entrance did seem a lot like his usual shenanigans. I've also been assuming that he wasn't because of GBs point (can agree with the point and not so much with the player) that mafia isn't likely to send gifts to town.
But it could have easily been orchestrated. Then claimed. And mafia kills who they send it to, removing the risk of town using whatever it contained.
Which leaves just evaluating SLs play. He has been eerily consistent on his reads. The SL I'm used to bounces around a lot.
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On December 15 2014 08:05 batsnacks wrote:
What about ritoky though?
##vote: ritoky
Yo, bats, do you ever get the feeling that you're being ignored? xP I've got a little sicklucker down there pretending he hasn't noticed people posting before him. It's actually quite interesting to watch.
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The medic is still a potential RBer, no one should claim.
Stop this nonsense -_-.
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