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On November 10 2014 04:24 Elvis! wrote:
Hmm maybe I phrased it wrongly.
I always thought the act was scummy.
I just didn't, and still don't know if there was mafia motivation behind it.
Also, a lot of people asked KSC why he did it already at that point.
No need to repeat that once more.
How can something be scummy if you do not know if there is mafia motivation or not?
Scummy things include mafia motivation!!! Otherwise they are not scummy things.
I understand many people asked KSC.
You however didn't take part to that discussion. On D2 start you pushed Serejai & Kelsier scumteam. However you ended up voting for Serejai for something in my opinion is connected to Kelsier's fake claim (which means the case itself only is true in case Kelsier is mafia -- in which case you should be voting for Kelsier -- otherwise your case on Serejai is invalid). Later on you drop the whole thing and end up on sicklucker?!!?!?? But you still call Kelsier mafia?
Like i do not really get what you were trying to do on D2. You did stuff, but i do not understand the meaning of any of it.
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Oh nevermind your big post was really hard to read. So what i said about your first vote on D2 is incorrect.
But could you still explain in a couple of sentences what you were trying to do on D2. You were literally all over the place with no real direction.
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Hmmm okay, so I guess we have different definitions for scummy.
I call something scummy if it hurts town, is not reasonable in any way and if it's likely to have scum motivation.
For me, bad/weird/horrible/misguided town can make scummy things.
Normal town doesn't, but KSC wasn't ever considered normal town.
About Serejai.
Yes, a part of my push on him was connected with Kelsier.
To make it clear, the scumteams I formed were never the primary focus.
The primary focus on my pushes was always, that these people had a couple of scummy (see above) actions to their name and namely sicklucker didn't respond to questions I found easy to answer if he was town.
I never "dropped the whole thing and ended up on sicklucker".
Well guess what sicklucker wasn't there at the beginning when I pushed Serejai the most, and he came in with a billion posts that I consider scummy and not much that helps town.
Then I push him and he doesn't answer my/serejais/batsnacks/ffs questions and just dodges them, which I considered scummy behaviour because, as ff stated it, if he would be town it wouldn't be a problem to answer them.
Instead he called my push bad/bullshit and so on without reasoning and just told people they should ignore me because of it.
I never in that said that KSC is town / Serejai is town.
The only thing I posted since on the matter is that I was about to consider Serejai townie because of her recent posts and since she wasn't doing many scummy things for some time. Then she started posting badly researched (see my post like a couple of hours ago) things that paint me scummy and useless once more.
So to sum it up:
I still believe KSC's actions on EoD1 were scummy, but since he stopped posting after and had townie behaviour during Day1 I didn't vote him or push him a ton. He still fitted into a scum team, but it was more the other person being scum and KSC fitting in. Now KSC obviously got replaced.
I voted for Serejai since I considered my scumread on her the strongest.
The sicklucker became apparent and I was really sure about him being mafia (still not happy with his posts, but since he isn't getting pressured anymore the shit coming out of his mouth got less. Like his filter before and in the time after my push on him was ridiculous).
Again, my case on Serejai was mostly not about KSC.
I hope this explains what happened at the time.
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Sorry, it's a bit more than a couple of sentences, I wanted to clear up everything you could have missed/misunderstood and I didn't refresh the page.
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Okay. Where do you stand at the moment?
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Canada11355 Posts
I might as well not play if nobody is going to comment on posts i make.
Sicklucker has spent more energy this game finding blues than finding scum. All his reads are based on mafia teams he makes up in his head based loosely on vote logic. If I'm way off here can someone tell me instead of ignoring my posts?
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So FF you are seriously trying to sell SL bussing kush basically all day long while being the opposing wagon to him?
How does this make any sense?
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Canada11355 Posts
From what I've heard about kush he prefers to be bussed as mafia or he busses his teammates. So yes, i can believe it.
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On November 10 2014 05:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
From what I've heard about kush he prefers to be bussed as mafia or he busses his teammates. So yes, i can believe it.
Prefers to be bussed is different than busses.
I have never let kush getting bus himself when he has been mafia and i would assume most of the people won't let him do that aswell.
Yes he does bus. Did he bus sicklucker? Where?
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K if kush doesn't prefer to be bussed then i guess sicklucker is just terrible town.
He did bus sentinel and regardless of how sicklucker spins it, he's trying to switch the vote off sentinel.
Who's your next biggest scum after sent and after me, so i can filter dive them and be useful?
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On November 10 2014 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
K if kush doesn't prefer to be bussed then i guess sicklucker is just terrible town.
He did bus sentinel and regardless of how sicklucker spins it, he's trying to switch the vote off sentinel.
Who's your next biggest scum after sent and after me, so i can filter dive them and be useful?
superbia.
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I don't believe Elvis to be mafia. While he seems inconsistent at times he shows he has some sort of thought process that he can actually argue for and he does it.
Cava fucking off from the game totally doesn't really make him look townie. I liked Kelsier but then again he is not new because he is capable of very skilled play, at least as town. I would think he could do that as mafia aswell.
My problem is the targets Superbia is proposing look really fucking good for me but otherwise his posting and activity -- compared to his earlier scum/town games does look way way way more like his scumplay. It's like he is more cocky and doesn't give any fucks about how he looks as town and in this game he seems more interested in how other people view him rather than convincing people his targets are mafia.
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I don't even think kush tried at this point.
He was way too obvious being terrible/high, like why would people not bus him if they are scum.
Easy towncred, potential to actually win.
Like imagine if sicklucker was scum and he would have defended him. Game would be lost for mafia.
Also this makes even more sense if he is getting wagon'd.
Rayn why do you think it doesn't make sense for him to bus kush if kush wasn't even trying?
to your previous question: At the moment I stand here: I still think there is no reason not to call SL mafia.
I still stand to my case on him, since there is nothing that nullifies it and he has done so many scummy and unexcusable things, as example what ff posted very recently.
I already said what I think of Serejai atm in my recent posts.
KSC is being played by someone else, so:
I'm waiting for Obi to fully catch up and post stuff of worth, then I can decide how he might be aligned.
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On November 10 2014 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't believe Elvis to be mafia. While he seems inconsistent at times he shows he has some sort of thought process that he can actually argue for and he does it.
Cava fucking off from the game totally doesn't really make him look townie. I liked Kelsier but then again he is not new because he is capable of very skilled play, at least as town. I would think he could do that as mafia aswell.
My problem is the targets Superbia is proposing look really fucking good for me but otherwise his posting and activity -- compared to his earlier scum/town games does look way way way more like his scumplay. It's like he is more cocky and doesn't give any fucks about how he looks as town and in this game he seems more interested in how other people view him rather than convincing people his targets are mafia.
I support this, he usually is way more in-your-face
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Elvis i really do not know who you think is mafia and why atm.
In case i missed something could you point me out to a case or anything like that? On D3.
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will do uni-work now, if you have follow-up questions rayn, I will respond in approximately 2 hours
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I think SL is mafia.
Do you want my huge case that's still undisputed and was only answered by him going OMGUS and "this is a terrible case ignore everything elvis says"?
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now this case is supported by the medic-claim-dilemma (which, Serejai says was my main point in my case -- you do realise that was a lot later).
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Do you think Sentinel is mafia or not?
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