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I'm here.
Apparently I'm maifa. What.
On November 09 2014 21:46 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what does make one of them mafia?
You just laid out reasoning that applies to two people. One of them is in your opinion mafia for it and the other one is stupid town. Why can't they both be stupid town based on it?
I really do not like cases where people include certain amount of people which they KNOW include townies and say "one/some of them mafia" because in the same post they PROVE it's not necessarily a scum trait because it's PROVEN in their mind a townie did the same thing aswell. True. They both seem to want our medic dead, but there's a difference. Sicklucker wants our medic to reveal and has been blue hunting all game. He goes for the medic directly. Elvis goes for me all game - keeping in mind that scum thought I was the doctor - and only switched to sicklucker after he started talking about the medic so much. Elvis is going after the player he thinks is the medic and hasn't contributed anything else to the thread all game. He kept his vote on me D1 for no reason in order to stay under the radar when cop was lynched. He stayed out of voting for kush yesterday even though he thought kush was scum. One of those seems scum. The other seems naive town.
Uhm why would scum have thought you are the doctor?
Uhm I started going on sicklucker way before he talked about the medic at all.
I had some people consider changing to you on day1, which is why I stuck with my vote of who I thought was mafia.
I posted multiple times that I don't think kush is a good lynch.
Like I was about to be reading you null or even leaning town since your posts were a lot more productive recently but why are you saying you caught scum when you didn't even correctly read my filter? I'll just pretend that didn't happen I guess?
On November 09 2014 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Elvis you need to explain this. Here's what you say on N1 start: Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote:
I see that a post before even EoD1 happened isn't the strongest, I still was convinced. What I think of him now, see at the bottom of this post.
I don't like how you discredit my whole post to "one post at the beginning" . The post mostly wasn't even about something at the beginning, but about his reaction and lies.
My vote was on serejai since he was the guy I thought to be scum, which I thought was pretty obvious.
Also people were switching left right and center and not much before EoD people were all up for lynching him.
Didn't see a reason to vote for the others instead, since at that point I thought ok one guy is fakeclaiming and another guy is suddenly being pushed based on a not well funded push that I don't support that much.
Why would I change in that case? It didn't need many to change to what I thought was a better case.
Why am I asking why he's defending?
Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done.
I don't get this at all.
About LS:
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum.
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed.
At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen.
Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines.
Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum.
Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people.
I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on.
No risk, easy town points for our opponents.
I don't have a good feeling about this.
On immaterial: Breshke, I posted my opinion about him not much before the lynch. Also:
At the moment most my reads are thrown around by the shitpile of 20 pages of EoD posts which are chaotic as fuck since people just posted impulsive and wanting to convince people, posted stuff about if detective is cop and so on. There is a lot to read and a lot fewer that has reasonable content. I'll try to go through this tomorrow and find what I think of it.
Then Chelseas actual CC: I agree it's a measure that can be done and it's ok and everything but there is no reason to pull back so late. Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone.
I have played mafia on a phone before and it's a desaster, stuff takes ages to load and post and go through pages (which were plenty). Keeping up with the time and what everyone is posting is really fuckin shit on such a device.
You did say it wasn't optimal tho so I guess it's fine. Saying you're doing it beause of shenanigans makes it kinda weird and I don't know why someone would be serious about CCing and then say it's shenanigans and confuse people in such a time but I guess that's Chelsea?[green] Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me.
As example the CC would also have been a really good scum strat, since it puts attention back to the first person claiming and would have made lynching him easier. Pulling back a CC only 3 minutes before the countdown seems quite the perfect time to go and say it's not real, since if he would have pulled through and the guy flips cop this looks really scummy.
Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point. Here's one of your D2 posts: Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 05:07 Elvis! wrote:
I really think KSC is a decent lynch but he hasn't even posted since forever and hasn't been scummy outside his outragously scummy EoD action From what i gather your D2 posts you had sicklucker and Kelsier as scum. You didn't want to vote for Kelsier because he was going to get modkilled in your mind. Now what exactly made you change your mind from N1? You made a big fucking post on KSC which ended up you analyzing him as "i don't know if he is town or mafia", yet on D2 you say "this is the ONLY thing he has done that's scummy and i think it makes him mafia". So again, how did the null-tell become a massive scumtell? [/red]
Uhm if you read the bigger of those two quotes of mine it says that I'm unsure if he's either weird scum or weird town.
Then in the small quote I said that outside of his one really scummy action (which I pointed out earlier and on which I commented on earlier with the big quote) I don't see him being scummy.
Please also consider the context in which this was written.
People were on sicklucker and then they wanted to switch to KSC for just that, which I don't think is enough of a reasoning.
Also you can't convince people of your case unless you tell them that their case is ok, but yours is better for reasons.
If you just tell them their case sucks they'll just feel offended and not consider changing.
This was pre everyone-goes-on-kush. People, especially Breshke, were considering Kush but not many at that point.
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@rayn so to sum it up I basically posted the exact same opinion twice.
Well that's a huge change!
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Where do you say the action is scummy in the first post because apparently i am missing it.
You lay out the possibilities and say you do not know if it's scummy or not. What am i missing?
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Something to consider: If kush/sent/superbia/FF is the scum team, then the scum team was all vets.
noobs > vets this game
#wedidit
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The fact that you still think I'm scum says volumes about how useless you are if you were actually town. You also only ever post in the thread when people call you scum. Quick yo defend but when you're not being accused you just afk from the thread. Why not help the town instead?
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On November 10 2014 02:21 Serejai wrote:
The fact that you still think I'm scum says volumes about how useless you are if you were actually town. You also only ever post in the thread when people call you scum. Quick yo defend but when you're not being accused you just afk from the thread. Why not help the town instead?
You shouldn't call other people useless. That's mean.
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On November 10 2014 02:22 Serejai wrote:
That was at elvis
IT'S STILL MEAN EVEN IF HIS NAME IS ELVIS
be nice
He's put more effort into this game than you.
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On November 10 2014 02:21 Serejai wrote:
The fact that you still think I'm scum says volumes about how useless you are if you were actually town. You also only ever post in the thread when people call you scum. Quick yo defend but when you're not being accused you just afk from the thread. Why not help the town instead?
Uhm I didn't call you scum.
Read my posts before you judge me being useless?
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On November 10 2014 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where do you say the action is scummy in the first post because apparently i am missing it.
You lay out the possibilities and say you do not know if it's scummy or not. What am i missing?
I said that he's either clever scum or weird town.
In the next post I repeat that this one thing of him was very scummy but that I'm not sure about him.
Why is me rephrasing the same thing with a slightly different thought process and in a completely different surrounding something of big importance?
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Okay Elvis are you around in real-time atm?
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Okay so here is what you wrote on KSC at night 1.
this is what i assume to be your conclusion in the post i already quoted:
Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point.
to me this means you do not know if the act from him (fake-claiming) is scummy or not. correct?
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actually no.
I was sure the act is scummy.
I didn't know if he is scum because of it or weird town (because weird town can make scummy actions)
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Okay so.
You are not sure if the act is scummy or not.
However, on D2 you write this:
I really think KSC is a decent lynch but he hasn't even posted since forever and hasn't been scummy outside his outragously scummy EoD action
Where did this change and why? In the mean time you didn't do anything to figure out if the act you didn't know is scummy or not in fact is scummy (by talking to KSC about it -- which i would assume you to do as town, find a townie/scum motivation).
So as i originally said, what made you decide the fake-claim that wasn't scummy become outrageously scummy?
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On November 10 2014 04:21 Elvis! wrote:
actually no.
I was sure the act is scummy.
I didn't know if he is scum because of it or weird town (because weird town can make scummy actions)
Well then my follow up is why didn't you push him for it?
Townies tend to call people mafia for scummy things because mafia does scummy things (woah, a huge reveal ^^).
Why didn't you call him mafia if he did a scummy thing?
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Hmm maybe I phrased it wrongly.
I always thought the act was scummy.
I just didn't, and still don't know if there was mafia motivation behind it.
Also, a lot of people asked KSC why he did it already at that point.
No need to repeat that once more.
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Well he did a scummy thing, but his actions throughout day 1 were townie and he basically stopped posting after the cc-dilemma
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Do you get my thought process?
I'm sorry for phrasing it weirdly.
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