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breske All I really did was throw out ideas of strategies and was immediately put on the defensive of course im annoyed. You started integrating me when I just wanted your opinion on the matter
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On November 09 2014 18:19 sicklucker wrote:
breske All I really did was throw out ideas of strategies and was immediately put on the defensive of course im annoyed. You started integrating me when I just wanted your opinion on the matter
The problem is that's not how it works.
Let's say you convince me that your strategy is good and i vote for FF over Sentinel. Then Sentinel flips mafia. What next? Are you going to call me mafia for me believing you in your townie strategy? Isn't that ridiculous?
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I'm not going to apologize for you feeling like I am interigating you. The questions i ask i ask because they help me think of the game from your point of view or if im confused about stuff you are saying (like lynching ff over sent) it helps lear it up for me. As town yes its frustrating but you have nothing to hide so dont get all defensive/angry about someone asking you questions
Ive given my opinion on the matter i don't think ff and sentinel are a team. Yes ff could be scum with anyone else but I think sentinel is mafia and until shown otherwise or someone has a better case than the case on sentinel i will be voting for him
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What are you talking about that would make you town super town.
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See I thought you said there was no way sent and superbia were mafia together.. This might be where were lost. Im going by alot of your reads because your confirmed town to me
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Can you bring up the post about why they cant be aligned. This does mess up that proposed strategy and this is why I asked for your opinion on this.
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On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was Fecal makes this case Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!
I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.
Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve! I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway. Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now! I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious. After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote. Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom. It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand. Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this postI wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother. Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy? Then this post. On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep. Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early? We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine. On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between? Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts. On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again
On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post Make an example Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events. let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler. November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38 You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you. Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1 Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well. can u link me or summarize a case sir? He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.) Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.
##unvote
##vote sentinal
So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched. I feel like im making too many associative reads though.
This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss.
I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads.
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On November 09 2014 18:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was Fecal makes this case On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!
I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.
Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve! I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway. Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now! I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious. After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote. Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom. It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand. Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this postI wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother. Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy? Then this post. On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep. Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early? We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine. On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between? Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts. On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again
On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post Make an example Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events. let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler. November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38 You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you. Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1 On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well. can u link me or summarize a case sir? He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.) On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.
##unvote
##vote sentinal
So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched. I feel like im making too many associative reads though. This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss. I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads.
I don't think this means anything because Sentinel was never in any danger of being lynched on D1.
kush and FF didn't even push the lynch.
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On top of that FF never votes for Sentinel.
Or does, for a full 5 minutes and the vote is even formatted wrong.
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On November 09 2014 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of that FF never votes for Sentinel.
Or does, for a full 5 minutes and the vote is even formatted wrong.
My vote is currently on sentinel, isn't it?
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rayn means D1 and he has a point, the thing i thought that made you (ff) and sentinel an unlikely team isn't that important/meaningful.
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I mean like even if you look at D2.
Fecalfeast has "wanted to lynch Sentinel all game". Look at his filter page 7 onwards. That's what i talked about already. Does it look like Sentinel is his top scumread as he claims and why are sicklucker and Kelsier not anymore? What did those guys do to make Sentinel more scummy than them (because there is nothing in his posting that implicates so -- yet on D2 he wanted to lynch BOTH of them over Sentinel -- there was plenty of time to push a lynch on Sentinel if FF thought he was the best lynch).
Now he wants to lynch Sentinel and votes for him. Well if he is mafia what choice does he have? I subbed into the game and one of my first posts was "sentinel is mafia". sicklucker instantly agreed with me. Breskhe too. Those people post, they have been mostly driving the discussion the whole game (besides Elvis to some extent but people already see him as saying bad stuff). So really, what choice does Fecalfeast have if he is mafia other than to call Sentinel scum?
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And this is why i am not interested in talking about Sentinel and who is mafia with him and who cannot be.
Sentinel is scummy and everyone knows why he is scummy. There is nothing anyone can say about it except for Sentinel himself and all he decided to do is to call me scum for some reason from another game (lol). Mafia would bus Sentinel at this point guaranteed. Because if we are right mafia KNOWS there is pretty much nothing they can do about it.
So that's why i want people's opinions on who ELSE is mafia. I don't know why Fecalfeast thinks sicklucker is scum. "Does not make sense" doesn't really work because townies do stuff that does not make sense aswell. While i heavily disagree with some thoughts SL has thrown out (especially the vote split thingy for today) i don't think it makes him mafia. Because to me it seems like it makes sense to him and he genuinely thinks that's the correct play.
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Elvis you need to explain this.
Here's what you say on N1 start:
On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote:
I see that a post before even EoD1 happened isn't the strongest, I still was convinced. What I think of him now, see at the bottom of this post.
I don't like how you discredit my whole post to "one post at the beginning" . The post mostly wasn't even about something at the beginning, but about his reaction and lies.
My vote was on serejai since he was the guy I thought to be scum, which I thought was pretty obvious.
Also people were switching left right and center and not much before EoD people were all up for lynching him.
Didn't see a reason to vote for the others instead, since at that point I thought ok one guy is fakeclaiming and another guy is suddenly being pushed based on a not well funded push that I don't support that much.
Why would I change in that case? It didn't need many to change to what I thought was a better case.
Why am I asking why he's defending?
Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done.
I don't get this at all.
About LS:
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum.
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed.
At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen.
Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines.
Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum.
Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people.
I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on.
No risk, easy town points for our opponents.
I don't have a good feeling about this.
On immaterial: Breshke, I posted my opinion about him not much before the lynch. Also:
At the moment most my reads are thrown around by the shitpile of 20 pages of EoD posts which are chaotic as fuck since people just posted impulsive and wanting to convince people, posted stuff about if detective is cop and so on. There is a lot to read and a lot fewer that has reasonable content. I'll try to go through this tomorrow and find what I think of it.
Then Chelseas actual CC: I agree it's a measure that can be done and it's ok and everything but there is no reason to pull back so late. Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone.
I have played mafia on a phone before and it's a desaster, stuff takes ages to load and post and go through pages (which were plenty). Keeping up with the time and what everyone is posting is really fuckin shit on such a device.
You did say it wasn't optimal tho so I guess it's fine. Saying you're doing it beause of shenanigans makes it kinda weird and I don't know why someone would be serious about CCing and then say it's shenanigans and confuse people in such a time but I guess that's Chelsea?[green] Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me.
As example the CC would also have been a really good scum strat, since it puts attention back to the first person claiming and would have made lynching him easier. Pulling back a CC only 3 minutes before the countdown seems quite the perfect time to go and say it's not real, since if he would have pulled through and the guy flips cop this looks really scummy.
Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point. [/red]
Here's one of your D2 posts:
On November 08 2014 05:07 Elvis! wrote:
I really think KSC is a decent lynch but he hasn't even posted since forever and hasn't been scummy outside his outragously scummy EoD action
From what i gather your D2 posts you had sicklucker and Kelsier as scum. You didn't want to vote for Kelsier because he was going to get modkilled in your mind.
Now what exactly made you change your mind from N1? You made a big fucking post on KSC which ended up you analyzing him as "i don't know if he is town or mafia", yet on D2 you say "this is the ONLY thing he has done that's scummy and i think it makes him mafia".
So again, how did the null-tell become a massive scumtell?
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EBWOP: Here is the important part (the conclusion) of Elvis' N1 post in case someone missed it:
Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me.
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Oh hey, someone is finally looking at Elvis.
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On November 09 2014 20:53 Serejai wrote:
Oh hey, someone is finally looking at Elvis.
Maybe you should just post your totes 100% case on someone noone knows about so we can correctly lynch mafia right?
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Already explained why I can't at the moment. Mafia clearly thought I was doc at some point during D2 because they role blocked me again. The only two people that fit this are Elvis, who wanted to lynch me for no good reason, and sicklucker who kept trying to get our medic to claim all day and said that if I claimed medic he would unvote on kush for some reason. Look into those two filters based on me being the doctor.
Will post an essay in the morning.
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I really want to see if someone else comes to the same conclusion before I post mine, too. I don't want people to sheep me just because I'm town.
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So you think they are both mafia?
How about the people who haven't given any shits about this game?
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