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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 05 2014 09:21 Elvis! wrote: Please people give me reasons based on LS posts before his claim why you believed his claim / are defending him etc. . Obviously his claim was right, but that wasn't even remotely understandable at that point. We really need to sort out this chaos, I think talking about why people believed LS is a good start. The reason I am "defending" LS right now is because you specifically asked us to say why we defended him/ believed his claim. On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote: Why am I asking why he's defending? Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done. I don't get this at all. About LS: Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum. Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed. At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen. Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines. Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum. Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people. I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on. No risk, easy town points for our opponents. I don't have a good feeling about this. I gave my reasoning for why I felt LS was more likely town in response to your post. Now you are accusing me of trying to gain town cred for town reading him? Or am I misreading this? | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
I don't give a shit if we lynched all our power roles by the end as long as we lynch more scum by doing so. There is only 3 scum to kill, we will get a huge amount of information out of killing scum and a million more reasons to risk a lot to kill scum. We have to risk a lot to kill scum, but that's fine. I just don't think any power role can ever outweight potentially lynching scum. | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
On November 05 2014 09:34 Elvis! wrote: Anyone could just claim anything! Obviously he was right, but I don't see anyone having any actually good information about why his claim would be correct. I did state that I know now that was was indeed cop Breshke. | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
I know that you were one of the people who believed him beforehand. As I stated I don't think your reasoning you had is valid at all, since his actions have never been townie or helped town in any way, since he never put much effort into them, making a lot of 3-4 liners is not difficult, doesn't show someone being active or trying. So I'm accusing you less of defending him now (still a bit since you stick to your read and defended a bit more) and more of defending him in the first place. His play didn't warrant him being rated anything better than null | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
On November 05 2014 12:50 Elvis! wrote: And an actual lynch is what we're hitting for in this game. We're not hitting for trying to avoid hitting townies, we're hunting scum. I don't think you're scum by this post but your opinion on what to lynch is really strange to me. I don't give a shit if we lynched all our power roles by the end as long as we lynch more scum by doing so. There is only 3 scum to kill, we will get a huge amount of information out of killing scum and a million more reasons to risk a lot to kill scum. We have to risk a lot to kill scum, but that's fine. I just don't think any power role can ever outweight potentially lynching scum. EBWOP We're not hitting for trying to avoid power roles. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 05 2014 12:50 Elvis! wrote: And an actual lynch is what we're hitting for in this game. We're not hitting for trying to avoid hitting townies, we're hunting scum. I don't think you're scum by this post but your opinion on what to lynch is really strange to me. I don't give a shit if we lynched all our power roles by the end as long as we lynch more scum by doing so. There is only 3 scum to kill, we will get a huge amount of information out of killing scum and a million more reasons to risk a lot to kill scum. We have to risk a lot to kill scum, but that's fine. I just don't think any power role can ever outweight potentially lynching scum. So you think lynching an un-CC'd cop because they acted scummy before is better than trying to find scum in a slot that isn't possibly our most important PR? What I'm saying is that there's a better risk:reward ratio in hunting for scum that isn't claiming cop on day1. That way a mislynch is less likely to be cop on top of the fact that we have more options to figure out the cop-claimer the next day. Or to put it into the most basic form I can manage. Dead Scum > everything Dead Cop < everything So in the situation where scum and cop occupy the same Schroedinger's slot in the game the two outcomes are either the best outcome for town, or the worst outcome for town. Dead scum > dead VT > dead watcher > dead doctor > dead cop So by instead hunting for scum in a slot that is most likely NOT the cop, we eliminate the possibility of killing our cop while also allowing more time for us to figure out if the claim is legit. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to watch. You will learn the names of every player that visits your target the same night. You win with the town. So all the town has to do is keep checking him and when hes role blocked or killed we know who it is and we get a 1 for 1 trade (they cant leave a confirmed cop in the game) no matter what unless they fake claim cop or something crazy. This is my first mafia game and I noticed this so im sure everyone has figured it out I know Breshke already said the same thing indirectly about his horrible vote. Anyway move on. Think im gonna head to bed | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
FF what is your opinion on kush? | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
He has been inactive mostly but I have no real read on him. I am just about to leave for home. If I remember I'll dive his filter when I am home. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote: scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop. Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me. Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why. Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 05 2014 12:59 Elvis! wrote: @Grack I'm accusing all the people who defended him after his death of wanting easy towncred. I know that you were one of the people who believed him beforehand. As I stated I don't think your reasoning you had is valid at all, since his actions have never been townie or helped town in any way, since he never put much effort into them, making a lot of 3-4 liners is not difficult, doesn't show someone being active or trying. So I'm accusing you less of defending him now (still a bit since you stick to your read and defended a bit more) and more of defending him in the first place. His play didn't warrant him being rated anything better than null That's fair enough. I'm aware of why he was scum read - his posts weren't very good and he parroted other people's ideas. I focused more into the motivations behind his posts and I also factored into account what I thought about the person making the posts. (I had less expectations for his posts than I do for Breshke's posts. Breshke made some good posts today that actually analyzed whether something was townie or scummy) I think it's completely reasonable for you to not understand how I got that town read because from your perspective none of his posts are townie. There's not much I can really say besides we have different views. I feel mafia are perfectly capable of making good posts day1, and I wouldn't town read people for any of the things that were used to form the 'town circle' from earlier today. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 05 2014 13:13 Fecalfeast wrote: From what everyone says, kush is really bad at playing scum and usually slips up early. He has been inactive mostly but I have no real read on him. I am just about to leave for home. If I remember I'll dive his filter when I am home. Kush is quite bad at playing scum. He used to only be capable of bussing as scum, so if all of Kush's reads were correct you could tell that he had too much information. | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
Why would people believe someone they think of as being scum or at most null? In a normal situation, with a normal player, yes, maybe mislynching a not-cc'd cop is terrible and not a risk I would take. You are right on that and also thank you for actually making a good post about it that helped me understand more why it's important Grack. Since you (now sicklucker) emphasized how this is your first game, (to be disregarded by everyone except sicklucker since it's unnecesarry information for you) + Show Spoiler + this is my second one and on my first one I only survived one day since town mislynched me for reasons they themselves called not valid afterwards, while my coach said I was playing well and acting really townie. It's not like I've had this situation before, only read a lot about mafia and in this case of LS I don't see his cop-claim being something we should trust and not a good plan for scum, see reasons above. | ||
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Elvis!
Germany396 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 05 2014 13:15 Breshke wrote: I agree 100% with sicklucker. I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? I think theres 3 mafia in the 4 who voted + bats. I include bats because if he changed his vote at the last second to Immaterial instead of Serejai then lightning would have survived because Immaterial would of been voted off which would have been alot better then are likely cop. I think the best strategy is to vote out 2 or 3 of them if we hit scum keep going(it will tell us if we hit one right?). If not reevaluate. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
(this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-22-2013 02:22 AM ET (US) here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment. I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town. kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-21-2013 09:57 AM ET (US) please bus me i want my life to end kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-21-2013 09:38 AM ET (US) im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-20-2013 10:58 PM ET (US) nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote: basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. I seriously don't understand this guy. He has sparks of seeming to try help town but doesn't expand on anything. So kush thought LS was a terrible lynch then why didn't he switch his vote to immaterial? He said the LS lynch was bad and was in a direct position to stop it but took no action to do so. Kush is coasting he isn't trying this makes even more sense if he has a hard time playing scum. He needs to be seriously looked at tomorrow we can't just let him have a free pass again. Look at kush pre game this for example is one of his posts. On October 30 2014 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: 1) Serejai huh 2) Breshke huh 3) Elvis! huh 4) KelsierSC leaver 5) Immaterial huh 8) Batsnacks oh no 9) kushm4sta only decent player signed up 10) Grackaroni fackk 11) FecalFeast incoming headache 12) Superbia don't remember what this guy's like I assume this is a joke i put myself into the mindset of kush. He doesn't know who half of us are because we are new. If he is town how does he not want to be more involved but is happy to just let us do whatever. Look at the tone of his pregame i can't quote it because it is just the general feel of it he seems hyped then D1 starts and nothing. | ||
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