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On November 05 2014 13:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 13:15 Breshke wrote:I agree 100% with sicklucker. I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote:
scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop.
Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote
as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me.
Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why. Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? I think theres 3 mafia in the 4 who voted + bats. I include bats because if he changed his vote at the last second to Immaterial instead of Serejai then lightning would have survived because Immaterial would of been voted off which would have been alot better then are likely cop. I think the best strategy is to vote out 2 or 3 of them if we hit scum keep going(it will tell us if we hit one right?). If not reevaluate.
I disagree here. There is 4 people (including bats) who had their votes on people who weren't possibly getting lynched. I think it is more likely that a majority of mafia is in the group because they would have known that LS was the cop(or dumb VT but not likely). Yeah there was a KSC CC but it was weak in my opinion and i will admit i didn't believe it and yes i still voted on LS. The point is what was the reason for these 4 people to waste their votes it doesn't make sense to me as town. Either they believed LS and vote immaterial to save him or they believed LS was mafia and vote him.
As scum however not voting on LS makes them look townier and not voting on Immaterial means they get the cop lynched.
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@Grack read stuff about his lies on my filter (page 1-3) and look at his filter. It's not difficult to see where he contradicted himself and lied.
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I'm going off for now. Bed - here I finally come.
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Well elvis like me and you LS seemed and was called new by many. He played poorly and only seemed to care about his survival but that now makes some sense since he was cop. If hes vannila town theres no reason to lie, but if hes a role it makessome sense the way he played to protect himself he just didnt do it very well. Serejai also seems to rub people the wrong way and seems new to the game as well. But as I said earlier he was the only person who tried to save the cop and make the best play thats pretty townie.
I feel like theres experienced players in the mafia who are often targeting us stupid newb players blatantly.
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It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not)
If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him.
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On November 05 2014 13:53 Grackaroni wrote:
It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not)
If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him.
I disagree i think it is even better for them if it is watcher/cop. They kill him during the night watcher outs with one of the mafia and they get 2 PRs for one mafia that is a fantastic trade. Yes it is easier for them now that we lynched him but did they need to ensure that the lynch went over? I don't think so i think they get a good deal in every case there unless immaterial is the mafia roleblocker and that lynch got pushed over.
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for my last post i mean Superbia not serejai. I have no read on serejai
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On November 05 2014 13:51 Elvis! wrote:
@Grack read stuff about his lies on my filter (page 1-3) and look at his filter. It's not difficult to see where he contradicted himself and lied.
This is probably the last I'll talk about this unless you really want to keep discussing it.
On November 04 2014 07:34 Elvis! wrote:
Talking about this Lightning guy.
So he begins with a vote on superbia.
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I don't even...
Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning.
Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"
Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".
Then he sees people going on about Immortal.
Now guess what happens next.
He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance.
Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy").
I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him.
He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum
For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker.
##Vote LightningStrike .
This isn't LS lying, this is just your narrative of his play:
"I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"
Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".
Another narrative (and the correct one, mind you) is that LS didn't have a strong idea of how to scum hunt, so his reads were strongly influenced by what other people were saying in thread. He saw reasoning from someone he thought was townie so he voted Superbia, then people started arguing that it was a bad vote and he was influenced by that reasoning as well so he unvoted Superbia.
I thought my explanation for his play fit a bit better because he didn't seem too nervous about doing it. He came back to the thread and kept making similar posts despite people calling him out for copying other people's thoughts.
It took me a remarkably long time to figure out what was going on in that other post of his that you quoted accusing him of lying. But it was essentially just an expansion of this
On November 04 2014 23:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and saw Elvis thinking I am a scum when he already switched his views a lot so his vote should be taken with a grain of salt on that part but however I do agree his posts were mainly suspicious because of him defending Superbia with mostly saying just wait till Superbia post and after Superbia made a post Elvis tried to stear all the attention away from Superbia and placed it on me and Sentinel which kind of screams Scum due to Sentinel is a townie and although my post are kind of bad but I am a Townie.
##unvote
##vote Elvis
He's not lying about anything he's just not using very good reasoning. He feels sentinel is town and knows that he is town. He's arguing that you are scum because you weren't suspicious of Superbia and then you tried to shift attention off of Superbia on to him/sentinel. There's no lie in that - it's just not a very good reason to suspect you.
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On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote:Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone.
How are you overlooking the fact that he DID switch; only it was to me instead of Imma? You two are scum buddies.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but are more people scum reading me for switching to the wrong person then there are people scum reading KSC for unclaiming in the last 3 minutes?
So far I have, people scum reading me:
Jasmine
KSC
Sicklucker
People scum reading KSC:
Bat
FF
If I missed someone or put someone in the wrong group let me know.
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You can't include me on that list because I've scum read you since the start of the game.
It's also pretty amusing for me because I pegged you, Fecal, and Elvis as the scum team at the start of the game and now that you've made a scumslip by switching your vote to me instead of Imma at the last second the only two people defending you are...
Drumroll please...
Fecal and Elvis.
That being said, I'm starting to have doubts about Fecal. I'd actually wager the scum team is Batsnacks, Elvis, and Imma at this point in time, and that Fecal is just a clueless dolt that happens to be supporting them. You and Elvis, however, have shown your true colors with that lynching.
Elvis / Batsnacks 2014™
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United States4466 Posts
So... Are you or are you not scum reading me?
If you're scum reading me, then you're on the list of people scum reading me...
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I am so worried that both KSC and jasmine are town. Like genuinely scared.
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On November 05 2014 22:59 batsnacks wrote:
So... Are you or are you not scum reading me?
If you're scum reading me, then you're on the list of people scum reading me...
Your list was of people scum reading you because of your vote switch. I'm simply pointing out that you were scum long before that.
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On November 05 2014 23:06 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 22:59 batsnacks wrote:
So... Are you or are you not scum reading me?
If you're scum reading me, then you're on the list of people scum reading me... Your list was of people scum reading you because of your vote switch. I'm simply pointing out that you were scum long before that.
Yes... Which you are scum reading me for, right? Meaning you're on the list. That's great that you scum read me long before then, that's not what I was asking. It's fine that you scum read me before that.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think grak has become my strongest town.
not sure about breshke or Elvis anymore, they could be mafia.
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[B]On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote: Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone.
I have played mafia on a phone before and it's a desaster, stuff takes ages to load and post and go through pages (which were plenty). Keeping up with the time and what everyone is posting is really fuckin shit on such a device.
Please, if you quote me and try to point out things, quote me correctly.
Yes, he did change his vote, but as he already said, he didn't know the vote count at that time, since it's terrible finding something like this if there's like 10 posts per minute and you're on a phone.
Scumslips don't happen, don't try to force them
you keep pointing out that your list from the very start was right.
This isn't any good in mafia, since you want to be flexible and view everyone as possible scum/town, which you're not doing.
You are just relying on your list and you try hard to find andthing scummy within it .
I don't think this is a good way to play this game, especially after so much has been going on recently.
So, please also post your opinions on others AFTER this whole desaster, since there is a lot to read into.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Split vote like that usually means that one of the two was mafia. I'm pretty happy voting imma off tomorrow.
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Does anyone have a weird view on grak or is he town for everyone?
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New guy feels town aswell
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