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On November 05 2014 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
ok I need to sleep.
read through what I said, I misplayed by not rescinding earlier, aplogies to town and LS for that, I was convinced from LS claim to about 5 minutes before the vote that he was fake. but I have played a very town game before that, I brought up some excellent points post vote and we have good information now.
especially with the way sentinal has played immediately before lynch and after the lynch, guy is very scum.
LIKE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE PLAYED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE LYNCH
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On November 05 2014 08:17 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:02 Elvis! wrote:
sicklucker your post isn't really making much sense, I didn't change my vote a lot at all. Your right I made a mistake thought both you and bats changed your votes to Serejai after KelsierSC shenanigans. Your off my scum list im taking in alot of info in a short time my bad.
still not quite right, I was the one to make a push on Serejai and I kept it for a loooong time, only went for LS for 5 minutes, then went back.
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On November 05 2014 08:38 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:17 sicklucker wrote:On November 05 2014 08:02 Elvis! wrote:
sicklucker your post isn't really making much sense, I didn't change my vote a lot at all. Your right I made a mistake thought both you and bats changed your votes to Serejai after KelsierSC shenanigans. Your off my scum list im taking in alot of info in a short time my bad. still not quite right, I was the one to make a push on Serejai and I kept it for a loooong time, only went for LS for 5 minutes, then went back.
Kush voted serejai first, then me. Unless I remember incorrectly.
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Holy shit i thought it was a tracker role not watcher. My vote was terrible holy shit.
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On November 04 2014 20:09 Elvis! wrote:@Grackaroni Sorry I must have missed your question, I thought it was answered with my posts already - so here we go: Show nested quote +You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct? One point what I thought was scummy was exactly what you said. To be fair, some of this push was to pressure to get him to answer. I couldn't know that he didn't have time to answer / retract the vote, so I thought him not posting again is intentional and strenghening the power if his push. It might still be, mafai can lie about not having time, but atm my leaning scum read is more based on ff's push, since he also did after all retract his vote (which doesn't mean too much, considering noone else is voting on him anymore).
Oh right this post - I'm going to go back to this again.
I feel that your initial scum read on Sentinel was forced and mischaracterized his play.
First your reasoning was that sentinel is scum for being more serious than others about pushing Superbia, which you felt was a bad case.
I showed that Sentinel this wasn't the case. Sentinel wasn't more serious than others and, in fact, made it clear that he would change his vote based on Superbia's future posts.
Your other big point for a scum lean was that Sentinel could be intentionally not removing his vote, thus he was more serious.
Why didn't you suspect Batsnacks for that same reasoning? Bat snacks was more serious than others about voting Superbia at the start of the game (he didn't say any of the things sentinel did about how he would change his vote, and he told KSC to vote Superbia) and he also still had his vote on Superbia when you made your post.
Basically, I don't understand why you felt Sentinel was scummy from the reasoning in your post. That reasoning fit bat snacks better than Sentinel; It seemed to me like a forced scum read to try to get the pressure off of you.
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On November 05 2014 08:45 Breshke wrote:
Holy shit i thought it was a tracker role not watcher. My vote was terrible holy shit.
Ya thats why my first post 2 minutes into the game was to scum read you.
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On November 05 2014 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I actually, when Kelly first CC'd, was thinking it was to call out a bluff since he said "recend it's the town thing to do" or whatever his actual phrasing was. I was fucking IN ON THE TRAP at that point. When you came back and pressed the issue further, I thought for sure you were really the cop.
I hates you right now kelsier.
Actually this to some extent. There's a point in my filter where I think you're joking, but that goes out the window once I see you start saying you're cop again.
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@Grack
Thank you for this post.
There's so much chaos and seriously there has been more talk just on EoD than anything at all before which is just ridiculous.
Plus most of this talk has been chaotic, non-analytic, liwurhgoaiefgzazbgoazerg7ang7z kind of spammy talk, which is not the talk I excel in at all.
But back to your actual follow-up to the question:
First of all, I don't know if I can recall my mindset correctly since now my mind is just full of shit of counter-claiming shenanigans before EoD and wtf.
But as far as I recall I thought Sentinel was being weird in general (don't know anymore exactly why I'm sorry) and I found it weird that he didn't take back his vote after people started to do so (before superbia's post).
This is just for the sake of answering your question though, since my read as example on sentinel is really unclear now, as I need to try and filter what all of this chaos on EoD was all about.
I seriously barely have any idea where anyone stands after that shitfest.
People who were really confident in their drawn-out reads of before suddenly started going on stuff that doesn't make sense, noone tells people why they are doing stuff, noone proves anything, I don't even know if I can take most of it seriously.
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Just as a quick read before further investigation I think Chelsea CCing wasn't a good thing at all and I generally just don't get the claiming-cop situation at this moment.
Before his claim this LS guy was someone noone really trusted/supported and he was bringing a lot of ridiculous stuff to get people not to vote him.
Suddenly he claims and all of a sudden, people who had an agenda against him suddenly believe him / vote on him more and fucking counterclaim.
There was no reasoning at all to believe him in the first place as most of the stuff he posted before were chaotic, non-townie things, even lying here and there.
But masses start believing and now they claim they knew he's right without any base at all to do so .
Please people give me reasons based on LS posts before his claim why you believed his claim / are defending him etc. .
Obviously his claim was right, but that wasn't even remotely understandable at that point.
We really need to sort out this chaos, I think talking about why people believed LS is a good start.
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On November 05 2014 09:21 Elvis! wrote:
Just as a quick read before further investigation I think Chelsea CCing wasn't a good thing at all and I generally just don't get the claiming-cop situation at this moment.
Before his claim this LS guy was someone noone really trusted/supported and he was bringing a lot of ridiculous stuff to get people not to vote him.
Suddenly he claims and all of a sudden, people who had an agenda against him suddenly believe him / vote on him more and fucking counterclaim.
There was no reasoning at all to believe him in the first place as most of the stuff he posted before were chaotic, non-townie things, even lying here and there.
But masses start believing and now they claim they knew he's right without any base at all to do so .
Please people give me reasons based on LS posts before his claim why you believed his claim / are defending him etc. .
Obviously his claim was right, but that wasn't even remotely understandable at that point.
We really need to sort out this chaos, I think talking about why people believed LS is a good start.
Could you quote posts that exemplify the bolded line? Unless you think lynching an un-CCd cop is ever a good idea, then please explain your reasoning for that.
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I don't know if my mindset is just shitty, but I never viewed him as an actual cop to begin with.
I just thought of it to be a last ditch effort to not get lynched.
All of you see this very technical with needing a counter-claim, but why couldn't someone just fakeclaim being cop?
Why does the real cop need to out himself or anyone? Why can people not be like "well, I don't think he's cop, so his claiming is irrelevant.
Like he suddenly went from someone noone believed to a fuckin saint by claiming.
Claiming! Someone who posted actual lies repeatedly before and never contributed anything of worth!
Why did people believe his claim?
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Anyone could just claim anything!
Obviously he was right, but I don't see anyone having any actually good information about why his claim would be correct.
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I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.
I feel Mafia would try to blend more - which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time.
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On November 05 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.
I feel Mafia would try to blend more - which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time.
How can you blend in more than posting stuff other people posted?
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On November 05 2014 09:32 Elvis! wrote:
I don't know if my mindset is just shitty, but I never viewed him as an actual cop to begin with.
I just thought of it to be a last ditch effort to not get lynched.
All of you see this very technical with needing a counter-claim, but why couldn't someone just fakeclaim being cop?
Why does the real cop need to out himself or anyone? Why can people not be like "well, I don't think he's cop, so his claiming is irrelevant.
Like he suddenly went from someone noone believed to a fuckin saint by claiming.
Claiming! Someone who posted actual lies repeatedly before and never contributed anything of worth!
Why did people believe his claim?
I don't think you understand the significance of a cop-claim, especially in this scenario.
Mafia claims cop D1 to get out of lynch and nobody CCs. They live, we mislynch, bad stuff.
Cop-claiming mafia lives through N1 and claims to have been roleblocked. In this situation we either have a real cop who stategically withheld his counterclaim to see if he could get another check who can now claim and bury the mafia OR we have a watcher/doctor combo. Watcher logically would watch the cop to see if he really was roleblocked so mafia is forced to now waste RB on the scum to keep appearances or he gets outed.
This is all assuming there is no medic save on the night kill because if there's a medic save the watcher/cop can freely claim and out the mafia without worrying about death.
I can't see a situation where killing an un-CCd cop is good unless you somehow have proof that person can't be cop.
Hell even if the other PRs are incompetant we can still catch them at lylo because no mafia team is leaving a confirmed town alive at lylo.
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A mafia who claims cop literally puts themselves on a death clock
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On November 05 2014 09:45 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.
I feel Mafia would try to blend more - which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time. How can you blend in more than posting stuff other people posted?
that was his thought process though. People called him out for his posts and he kept doing the same thing. Just look at the frequency he posted compared to Immaterial. He seemed eager to give his opinion while Immaterial did not.
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On November 05 2014 00:35 Superbia wrote:
Sentinel:
- Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke?
- If not, why did you agree?
If you wrote your initial posts as a trap why didn't you ask this question before announcing a scum read on Sentinel?
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On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.
##unvote
##vote sentinal
So there's only a 2 minute difference between when FF"s post was linked and your vote.
Did you actually read the whole thing, including the posts of sentinel that were quoted, or did you just skip to the end and then type out a vote?
I really don't think you bothered to read it.
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