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Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between? | ||
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On November 03 2014 13:24 Breshke wrote: Elvis sentinel raises a good point. I want to kind of rephrase it as an actual question to you. You entered the thread saying you couldn't get a read off anyone because everyone was reading into a trolly post. Then in basically every single one of your following posts you continue to mention the superbia situation. Why didn't you try and guide the conversation towards something else instead of just letting us talk about something you thought was not very useful. I don't like that this post makes it seem like you arn't in the mindset to try and find peoples alignments from their posts and need someone to specifically point stuff out to you. This isn't what i remember you being like last game. See explanation below. On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote: I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising. Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum? Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia? At that point, due to tiredness and not knowing what to say about people who are mostly talking about fluff, I didn't wanna give reads, because they would just have been really terrible gut feelings. Now that I had a little bit more information and mostly time to post stuff and think about stuff, I did post what I think of people. To add to that, I consider you leaning town this game, as you're 1. sheeping less than the last games. 2. have less contradictions. 3. don't make confusing posts and most importantly: 4. do ask relevant questions. You lean town. If I missed a question or if I'm still puzzling you, go and ask more. If not, let's go on! | ||
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So he begins with a vote on superbia. ... I don't even... Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning. Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)" Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy". Then he sees people going on about Immortal. Now guess what happens next. He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance. Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy"). I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him. He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker. ##Vote LightningStrike . | ||
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(Blitz means lightning in German) | ||
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On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine. Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote: As a note on Superbia: His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet. If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote: Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote: If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts. On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote: Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events. Sooooo you know that was in the time span of 8 minutes, which I said earlier. Oh wow 5 small posts filling up a little bit of space, that didn't ever happen before. I only even mentioned it for 8 minutes, all the time saying I think it's unnesesarry to talk about. I don't even know how you try to pull my last one into this, where I ask Chelsea which targets are the most important right now, futherly getting the focus to something else. I don't even remotely get how you think this is me putting it into spotlight. Like 0 understanding of your reasoning. But as I just thought nothing more weird could happen Serejai appears with a post without anything that makes any sense: On November 04 2014 10:40 Serejai wrote: Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia. Like I never even shifted any focus to Superbia. I tried getting people away from the Superbia wagon and onto something else. You're just straight up lying. Serejai officially either complete and utter donkey town or complete and utter donkey scum. This is even more donkey than loafery. | ||
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Will go to sleep now, don't know when I'll post again. Some time during uni tomorrow, ETA 12 hours. Will defo make a decently big post before EoD and some smaller ones before that. Maccaroni, so now that some people have posted opinions on several suspects, what's your: most scum / view on the recent posts. | ||
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You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct? One point what I thought was scummy was exactly what you said. To be fair, some of this push was to pressure to get him to answer. I couldn't know that he didn't have time to answer / retract the vote, so I thought him not posting again is intentional and strenghening the power if his push. It might still be, mafai can lie about not having time, but atm my leaning scum read is more based on ff's push, since he also did after all retract his vote (which doesn't mean too much, considering noone else is voting on him anymore). | ||
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On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote: Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum. Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself. Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum". Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum. I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again. Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games. I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list). I don't think you even read what I'm writing. On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote: Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. You say I call Superbia out. In the very post you quote me on I say I don't read him as scum since it's not him distracting people. I always stayed with my opinion of not calling Superbia scum. No flip-flop happened. Straight up lies. When exactly do I flip-flop on you? I can see why you didn't qoute me on it because there is nothing. Trolling can be different and trolling on the second page is a bit different than what you're doing. If you want me to further elaborate on that I can. Again straight up lies. I don't even wanna start on how IRL mafia barely relates to a lot of things in forum mafia. Also I just don't see the connection here. Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play". Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does. But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying. So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently. Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you . I especially dislike you sheeping Lightning here. Saying his play is scummy but you rate him null because of what reason? Because his partner would tell him to not post something stupid? Why didn't you tell him then, since for me you two are scum here. This is one of the weirdest sheeping going on I have seen in a while and with that a major scumslip . Please other people give intel on who of these two to lynch first. Atm I'm on ##Vote Serejai | ||
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formatting ##Unvote LightningStrike ##Vote Serejai Then @LightningStrike Please show where exactly I have changed my view a lot. I haven't. Apart from changing one's mind in the game of mafia being a perfectly normal thing as with new information comes new intel. | ||
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Also "It screams scum since sentinel and me are townie". That doesn't even remotely make sense. I consider you and serejai scum and sentinel null/leaning scum. Why would I not post about the people I think are scum? Why would hunting scum be scummy? You guys. | ||
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On November 04 2014 23:42 LightningStrike wrote: First you start off saying this .Then you quickly shifterd to this like 2 of your posts later Saying his reaction is all that counts is fishy as someone trying to defend their fellow scum Then when everyone was talking about Sentinel you quickly changed the target to me in this post You got scum all over you now in my eyes due to those posts. So I start of by saying I'm not calling him scum for his trolly post and that I'm waiting for how he follows it up, since his trolly post alone doesn't have any meaning . Then I go on and elaborate a little bit on that, not contradicting myself at all. Waiting for his reaction is natural here, since most of the information is missing at that point and his initial post is only relevant if he follows it up in a matter that I state in the first thing you qoute me on. Then, town is supposed to post reads on people so they can discuss them. I posted reads on the persons I find relevant or was asked to post about. . This post is basically just OMGUS, manifesting my opinion about you being scum. No reasoning, lies, turning words around, not even reading my posts properly, not showing scum indicators and basically just calling me scum for calling you scum. You actually even phrase it that way, saying I'm scum for calling you scum. If your recent posts aren't scumslips I don't know what is. | ||
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On November 05 2014 03:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Who do you think is mafia? Vote for them and make a case. Do you still think Elvis is scum? I like this post from Sentinel as much as I dislike Serejai's post he quoted. Which is a lot. Serejai's post rephrased: "I wanna vote on someone who isn't mafia and who noone can fault me for voting. Also I really really don't want to die." I get disgusted by the idea of rather voting for someone noone has a read on and who is gonna get modkilled/replaced rather than for someone you think is mafia. Then shortly after this post by sentinel serejai makes a really weak case of Immaterial. I will rephrase that one as well: "I think he's a noob. He pulls the newbie card a couple of times and then makes a long post. This totally indicates mafai! Thus he must be mafai!" Obviously Immaterial is the perfect target since noone has much of an idea of his alignment, he isn't crazily active and noone will fault you for seeing sketchy play in a newcomer (except me, because of your situation). Note that this is not a comment on Immaterial or his post. (!!!) Serejai, please elaborate why making a big post "without much content" (which you say yourself(!!!)) takes a lot more "skill" than pulling the newbie card. Everyone can make big posts. A lot of his post isn't work someone who plays mafia for longer than you think he does. Of course this can be WIFOM and the mafia can tell him to make it look newbie big post if we wanna go by your weird theory. But in no way is this a scum indicator. this is purely you trying to "seem legitimate" by "making a case" after you have been pressured by Sentinel to do so. A townie doesn't care about getting lynched. I know tunneling isn't a good thing and I've been talking a lot about how scum Serejai is, but this really sounds like a last ditch effort to not get lynched. Also: I've posted my insight into most people very recently. Since I'm confident with my push I obviously posted more about that, than about persons I think are null/town. I don't think posting about who is town in big detail is useful. So I instead only post about scum, and since there's a lot to say about Serejai, I post a lot about him. Why I like Sentinels post here? He reflects my idea of solely focussing on finding scum and posting about them. He pushes Jeresai to make uncomfortable statements, which are statements we can read a lot from. | ||
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After the first one exposes himself deeper and deeper with more lies and weird posts, the second just takes the comfortable route and votes for someone noone has a read of. This makes so much sense as townie. ... ... ... ... not. | ||
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Right now I give Serejai a little more scum points than lightning. Would totally be up to just kill Serejai tomorrow then. | ||
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