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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 00:53 GMT
#1701
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 00:55 GMT
#1702
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 00:55 GMT
#1703
Like you're expecting me to draw lines in the sand in a game I haven't even played in yet based on a lynch I haven't participated in. I read the thread, I didn't get anything I feel is alignment indicative from the people pushing on batsnacks or whatever.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 00:57 GMT
#1704
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 00:59 GMT
#1705
On October 26 2014 09:55 Superbia wrote:
Like you're expecting me to draw lines in the sand in a game I haven't even played in yet based on a lynch I haven't participated in. I read the thread, I didn't get anything I feel is alignment indicative from the people pushing on batsnacks or whatever.

I don't expect you to draw any lines in the sand. But if I am replacing in a game n1 as town the first thing I do besides reading the thread is analysing the lynch. ESPECIALLY if it is a scumlynch. I don't have a problem if you have reads that aren't completely dependent on the lynch but you have shown ZERO thoughts about it and that is really worrying.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:01 GMT
#1706
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2014 01:01 GMT
#1707
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.
I'm adorable.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:02 GMT
#1708
On October 26 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.

In that case you should read the game. Or if you are the forgetful type my filter.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 01:05 GMT
#1709
On October 26 2014 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.


I'm talking about taking the initiative in lynching (a team mate).
Minimal effort.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2014 01:06 GMT
#1710
On October 26 2014 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.

In that case you should read the game. Or if you are the forgetful type my filter.


JAT, I like to get people talking and I know what you have being writing. I don't think it's harmful to ask that question and get the answer you gave me.

Also, what Superbia said about HF is okay. He wasn't really pushing batsnacks that hard. The lynch was only heading to batsnacks when we started talking about him, specially after I've brought he fanfic meta.
I'm adorable.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:08 GMT
#1711
On October 26 2014 10:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.


I'm talking about taking the initiative in lynching (a team mate).

Yeah, and I am telling you that I didn't say anything like that. Of course that is possible. But nobody goes into day1 with the plan "we are bussing today". They might bus. They might even actively bus. But they don't really want to bus.
And all of that is besides the point anyways. Like I already said EVEN IF YOU THINK IT IS A BUS YOU STILL ANALYSE THE LYNCH.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:10 GMT
#1712
On October 26 2014 10:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.

In that case you should read the game. Or if you are the forgetful type my filter.


JAT, I like to get people talking and I know what you have being writing. I don't think it's harmful to ask that question and get the answer you gave me.

Also, what Superbia said about HF is okay. He wasn't really pushing batsnacks that hard. The lynch was only heading to batsnacks when we started talking about him, specially after I've brought he fanfic meta.

You only brought that up after I told you to look at his meta mind you. And if you are trying to get people to talk - why are you doing that to the most active poster in the game? Why are you questioning me and not super? Or thrawn? Or literally anyone else?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 01:14 GMT
#1713
On October 26 2014 10:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:05 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:37 Superbia wrote:
If I had gotten anything out of the interaction between bats and someone I would've included it in my reads. Honestly I feel like it's still pretty WIFOM at this point.

The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.


I'm talking about taking the initiative in lynching (a team mate).

Yeah, and I am telling you that I didn't say anything like that. Of course that is possible. But nobody goes into day1 with the plan "we are bussing today". They might bus. They might even actively bus. But they don't really want to bus.
And all of that is besides the point anyways. Like I already said EVEN IF YOU THINK IT IS A BUS YOU STILL ANALYSE THE LYNCH.


I read that the meta used to be to do this every single game. But whatever. I've given my thoughts on the lynch before. I didn't draw any direct conclusions from it at this point in time. That's it. If you have any more questions, shoot, I'm going to sleep soon.
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:17 GMT
#1714
On October 26 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:05 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
The only available source of actual hard information is WIFOM to you? You did not even try to interpret the actions of anyone. Wtf dude.


Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.


I'm talking about taking the initiative in lynching (a team mate).

Yeah, and I am telling you that I didn't say anything like that. Of course that is possible. But nobody goes into day1 with the plan "we are bussing today". They might bus. They might even actively bus. But they don't really want to bus.
And all of that is besides the point anyways. Like I already said EVEN IF YOU THINK IT IS A BUS YOU STILL ANALYSE THE LYNCH.


I read that the meta used to be to do this every single game.
But whatever. I've given my thoughts on the lynch before. I didn't draw any direct conclusions from it at this point in time. That's it. If you have any more questions, shoot, I'm going to sleep soon.

Where did you read that bullshit? And yeah I will soon go to bed too.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
October 26 2014 01:18 GMT
#1715
I think superbia's post was fine for a replacement. JAT I think youu're suspicious of him because he's not playing the game the way you would in his position. His comment about my post pissing him off seemed townie, townies get mad and/or suspicious at posts like the one I made.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 26 2014 01:21 GMT
#1716
On October 26 2014 10:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:05 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:46 Superbia wrote:
[quote]

Here's the thing. I did interpret the actions of most people who were actually pushing and voting on batsnacks, I simply did not draw any conclusion. HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned. Kush had a push post on snacks (iirc), but it wouldn't have swayed me at that point in time. Someone (I think it was parnassus or lian) brought up a decent quote about batsnacks assuming someone being town, but I felt it might've well been bus time at that point in time. I.e. nothing definitive.

So you are saying that this lynch just simply happened somehow? The people who were pushing it aren't town for it? Scum was totally ok with this lynch?


From the mafia games I've read, bussing a team mate d1 is not even that rare. Is KP is even reduced?

No, it isn't. But even if there are people bussing they are not doing this because it is so fun to bus someone. They are doing it because they don't see any other choice. If you think a bus happened you try and find the people that you think acted like they could be bussing. You don't simply ignore the lynch.


You are assuming that there is never a world in which mafia would actively bus a team mate d1.

Reading comprehension = non existent.
I didn't say anything like that.


I'm talking about taking the initiative in lynching (a team mate).

Yeah, and I am telling you that I didn't say anything like that. Of course that is possible. But nobody goes into day1 with the plan "we are bussing today". They might bus. They might even actively bus. But they don't really want to bus.
And all of that is besides the point anyways. Like I already said EVEN IF YOU THINK IT IS A BUS YOU STILL ANALYSE THE LYNCH.


I read that the meta used to be to do this every single game.
But whatever. I've given my thoughts on the lynch before. I didn't draw any direct conclusions from it at this point in time. That's it. If you have any more questions, shoot, I'm going to sleep soon.

Where did you read that bullshit? And yeah I will soon go to bed too.


Can't remember. I think it was a guide on a mafia wiki.
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:22 GMT
#1717
On October 26 2014 10:18 DrParnassus wrote:
I think superbia's post was fine for a replacement. JAT I think youu're suspicious of him because he's not playing the game the way you would in his position. His comment about my post pissing him off seemed townie, townies get mad and/or suspicious at posts like the one I made.

Not in my experience. I have no idea why anyone would get mad over that post.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2014 01:25 GMT
#1718
On October 26 2014 10:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 10:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.

In that case you should read the game. Or if you are the forgetful type my filter.


JAT, I like to get people talking and I know what you have being writing. I don't think it's harmful to ask that question and get the answer you gave me.

Also, what Superbia said about HF is okay. He wasn't really pushing batsnacks that hard. The lynch was only heading to batsnacks when we started talking about him, specially after I've brought he fanfic meta.

You only brought that up after I told you to look at his meta mind you. And if you are trying to get people to talk - why are you doing that to the most active poster in the game? Why are you questioning me and not super? Or thrawn? Or literally anyone else?


It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't for HF's case that batsnacks got lynched.

You can push Superbia as much as you like, but push him for the right reasons.
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 26 2014 01:25 GMT
#1719
HF had an early push/vote on batsnacks which he barely followed up on, which I mentioned.


I don't think this is true in the slightest. Since i made the case on batsnacks all I've done is push for his lynch
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
October 26 2014 01:26 GMT
#1720
On October 26 2014 10:25 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 26 2014 10:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 26 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2014 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Do you think that everything that happened leading up to the lynch is completely WIFOM GB?


Of course not. But I wanted to know what have you directly got from it.

In that case you should read the game. Or if you are the forgetful type my filter.


JAT, I like to get people talking and I know what you have being writing. I don't think it's harmful to ask that question and get the answer you gave me.

Also, what Superbia said about HF is okay. He wasn't really pushing batsnacks that hard. The lynch was only heading to batsnacks when we started talking about him, specially after I've brought he fanfic meta.

You only brought that up after I told you to look at his meta mind you. And if you are trying to get people to talk - why are you doing that to the most active poster in the game? Why are you questioning me and not super? Or thrawn? Or literally anyone else?


It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't for HF's case that batsnacks got lynched.

You can push Superbia as much as you like, but push him for the right reasons.

Why are you even talking about HF? I don't think I was talking about HF.
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