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On October 14 2014 14:55 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:36 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 14:19 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 14:02 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. This was at Ketchup, btw You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please. Literally what are you talking about. I spent most of D1 talking about how Wave and LordT were my top picks. I may have said some others were wishy washy. Go into my filter, either you are misremembering or fearmongering. I spent the first part of D1 half paying attention and shitposting, and after people yelled at me for it I changed my attitude. My only big posts were after my 2 big picks. I voted for both of them. I never started a witch hunt on either Alaric, in fact I didn't say anything about him until N1. I had no reason to vote him. And even that Night post was unsure.I jumped on the Coma train because my confidence is shattered after my #1 turned up VT. I don't know how I can get this across to you any clearer. If I need to explain it again, you are clearly scum. I could understand why you would want to start pressure against me, but I don't know any reason why you would do it in such an incorrect, hamfisted manner unless you are scum that is trying to start yet another mislynch. If anyone needs to try harder, it's you. I never said you started a witch hunt on Alaric. BUT your post containing him did call him scummy. What makes him scummy? What did you see that was scummy? I'm telling you that despite your insistence that you are town, you haven't done anything. I wouldn't even mind if you talked about Alaric for 40 pages or analyzed every single one of his line of posts, because at least you'd be doing something. I felt this comadose train was really uninspired, and I called you out on it. lol okay dude. I need to try harder. Please. On October 14 2014 14:29 Requizen wrote:
fyi ketchup, you made the scum list. Congrats.
Coma still retains the vote until I'm sure who else I want to vote for. I could unvote, but I do wish to see how he will respond to the votes on him at the moment. I don't have any current intention to leave it up if I like his response. That said, it better be good, Coma. lmao feel free to do that dude. I think you are so off base with a lot of your information that it makes no sense for you stick to them like you are doing. Now actually, go do something with your supposed scum list. Coma has also responded in the earlier pages if you hadn't noticed. This is my one and only single post about Alaric Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote:
Filter check: Alaric
Feeling: Unknown/possible scum
Posting Habits: Observation
A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting.
I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment. You can read it multiple times. This is all I've said about him. Why are you pushing me to dig into him more when I've already given my opinion on him and it hasn't changed? Why are you so hung up on it? I have said my piece, there is literally 0 reason for you to pressure me into attacking him when I said (as you can clearly read not two inches above this sentence) that I give him a low rating. Please tell me why this small post makes you so hung up on it when I have half a dozen of posts that are more or less identical about other people. I have tried to do things for the town. I share information, I respond to posts, I encourage discussion. If the only way to prove myself town is to magically pull all scum names from my hat with an essay detailing each in the next 5 minutes, I will continue to disappoint you. I don't know what more you want from me. ##unvote ##vote ketchup Maybe with this newly written information you will enjoy this vote better than the Coma bandwagon. Enjoy your night.
I'll just leave this here:
On October 14 2014 14:40 ketchup wrote:
Interestingly enough, I have to re-evaluate you because you were on point with your Asmo read, and which is why I keep asking for more information on your Alaric read.
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On October 14 2014 14:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I'm gonna be pissed if scumteam is something I wouldn't consider like lurk city owb/coma/jeff
This reminds me. Where is mordek?
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On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.
I really do like this post by Soniv. I think he could very well be mislynch. It shows town tendencies. It helps that Req is already someone I think isn't play sincerely. People are finally realizing that Req isn't playing normally. He is doing the bare amount of "reads". Those posts he made in night stage were really bad.
##Unvote
Reading the last few pages of the thread since I went to sleep, I still have suspicions about Req. Soniv has actually pointed out a lot of the issues I have with Req's play this game. The bigger problem is the massive bandwagon on soniv that wasn't really there before. People are still pinging out GhandiEagle as well, but not voting for him. I feel people are jumping on the bandwagon easily. I like Soniv's defense of himself, because no one else is doing it.
Alaric's case on Soniv sucks. It's really bad. Soniv is trying pretty hard to defend himself which says a lot to me:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 03:39 Alaric wrote:
Which brings me to Soniv's behaviour, which surprised me a bit. You're not defending yourself at all, and apart from the last few posts (I'll come back to that) you actually pretty much ignore the attacks against you to discuss other people.
Now I'm not saying it's inherently bad, I just gave it some thought and came up with a few possibilities:
- you're resigned to your lynch (see last post and your "everybody seems to want me dead"). That would be pretty scummy as I figure a townie would fight to the end to try to at least force discussion and get information out for everyone to read, even if he's doomed. On the other hand I find it likely because as said it's too early in the day to bury you, and I believe yout o be tougher than that.
- you're disinterested and don't care if you die. Nope. No chance in Hell.
- you're not upset because you know it's early in the day and that things are as likely to swing during the next 24 hours (It's Mafia! Maybe we'll end up lynching ketchup today!). You know focusing on defending yourself would only may you look worse and you don't find that case on yourself that strong anyway.
I'm leaning for the 3rd one just because you're a vet, but maybe I'm missing something. Care to tell?
If I had a choice between Req/Soniv today, I actually am changing my mind. I think Soniv can help us for the later rounds while Req will just pretend he doesn't know how Mafia works, and give no reads again throughout the day. He votes on me without any real reads because he doesn't think I'm scum? Why vote on me then? Because I dared him to do it? What a joke. If Wave really wants to push GhandiEagle, and there is a lot of backlash on him here, then I won't fault him for it. Mostly because A LOT of people have pinged GhandiEagle, and no one actually finds him helpful for town.
##Vote Req
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Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req
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Oh nice, this late vote on soniv makes no sense to me from Req's perspective. Doesn't think Soniv is scummy -> might as well vote on him anyways. I can't tell if Req is actually playing this game, or just trying to see how many people he can vote on that make him angry enough to do so. To me, that's scummy as hell. Voting on whoever without reads, and then just pretending afterwards the vote wasn't sincere.
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As I mentioned, I wouldn't hound people too much if they started a ghandieagle train again. Wave's really sure of it, and I have my doubts on him now considering how many people DO think he isn't play cleanly.
I'm really happy with Soniv's responses so far. I like the fact that he will admit that his play did seem like he was pocketing people, but it wasn't it. It's a clear and simple defense. It appeals to me because that's the best defense he probably could have given for me. I think even if it doesn't clear the top three I had, it does help make me more comfortable with them.
At this point, if people want to go after Ghandi, they can feel free to. I think Soniv is at least more helpful than Ghandi, and Req combined. Soniv is also potentially a lot more helpful to have in the later day stages than a lot of the lurkers.
Speaking of, mordek, can you give some reads of your own? As in, can you post about how you feel about people now? I don't mind lists. Make a list of everyone.
On October 15 2014 07:11 Alaric wrote:
Ketchup it wasn't a case. When I say I'm just curious and asking questions, I mean it. Soniv acted differently from most so far, including other vets (even Tolkien addressed accusations against him, although he did it by trashtalking their authors), and that made me curious since he's experience. I thought there was maybe something to glean about how the game is played here.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. It looked like you were trying to hammer him, but I guess I misunderstood.
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Again, I want to ask
On October 15 2014 04:38 Requizen wrote:
Whatever
##vote jcarlsoniv
be back later
How is this a good post from a town perspective? Am I missing something on Req here? What are people seeing that makes him townie? He has neutral feelings towards soniv, but still votes him? He seems to not have a solid read on ANYONE. He voted me, and then said it wasn't because he actually thought I was scum?
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Even a newb mafia player doesn't play THIS BADLY right? Please. Calling yourself a newb at this game shouldn't give anyone a free pass to just vote "whatever"or vote against someone because they are pressuring you. What kind of logic is that? It doesn't solve the game, and it doesn't help town at all!
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On October 15 2014 07:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I will absolutely not be voting req today.
I you guys are being fooled by Soniv that's perfectly fine, but I've already said where my vote is going.
Frankly I don't see what's so convincing here that Soniv posted. I think one of the problems (myself included) is that people sit around and wait for somebody to post when they think they're scummy, then they come back and post and say 'well I liked that post, so and so can't be scum'
Do you know how easy it is to appease people with a post like that?
I'm not going in for it today. Yes req is playing liked shit now and his vote was shit too, but it doesn't make him scum.
I don't mind if you don't vote Req. Stick to your Ghandi vote if you want. I already said I don't think it's a bad vote for game's future. A major reason you didn't vote ghandi again is me right? Well, I won't rag on you too much about it. On the other hand, if he flips red, you look amazing.
I personally feel more comfortable voting for Req because he is very erratic, but unhelpful as town. What help has he given us as town? He supposedly puts me on the scum list, but doesn't think I'm actually scummy. He votes me because he was annoyed. He votes soniv for a similar reason. He has YET to make a real case on you even though he says you are top scum for him. What part of his game makes sense from a town perspective?
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On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective.
He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him.
Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play.
That's a good point too. I just think there is a limit to how "newb" you can play the game. I also want to clarify that he didn't draw attention to himself. I drew attention to him earlier, and Soniv has pointed out similar things afterwards.
So what are you voting Wave? Are you sticking to the soniv vote? Even though before, without my interference, you were 100% all in on Ghandi?
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On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote:I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler +Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time?
All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so.
Okay dude, listen. This is a game. I'm not attacking you because of your personal character. I just want you to play better. Which is why I'm asking for certain things from you. I really don't know how to say this in any better way.
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On October 15 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:55 ketchup wrote:On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective.
He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him.
Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. That's a good point too. I just think there is a limit to how "newb" you can play the game. I also want to clarify that he didn't draw attention to himself. I drew attention to him earlier, and Soniv has pointed out similar things afterwards. So what are you voting Wave? Are you sticking to the soniv vote? Even though before, without my interference, you were 100% all in on Ghandi? I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll vote either of them. If people want to switch to Jeff that's fine with me. Req stop fucking martyring. I'm still not seeing what's so good about sonivs play that has made you change your mind ketchup. Deflection onto req is a really good tactic because he's proven to be extremely predictable in how he acts. Soniv who else is scum? We're at the point in the game where you've gotta have more than just one read.
I mostly have reservations about voting him this early in the game. I think he could be helpful in the future. I think right now, both you and him can be helpful in the future so I think it's not the best play to vote either of you.
At this point, I just want people to actually play the game more.
Mordek, Ghandi, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar are all so quiet. If anyone else can speak up, it would be great.
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And yes, I'm seriously reconsidering my GhandiEagle stance. He only speaks up when he has actual votes, and then disappears when people start in another direction. When Wave and me were talking about Soniv, Ghandi basically left. His new signature is also pretty scummy/wifom. It does nothing to help town win the game. I don't care if he's having fun in his own way, but I will get behind that ghandi train now.
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Who cares what the timing is? How about any of you people actually start participating more in the game.
This applies for Mordek, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar, and whoever else I'm missing. Please post more if you actually have an interest in the game.
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On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Also interesting how so little blue impact was felt or discussed after the first night. Is someone maybe keeping quiet about being roleblocked as a 3P, explaining the one death? Would be worth looking into.
Well mod explained this a bit. He said scum have 1 factional KP. It is highly likely they have another role(most likely poisoner) which has KP but it doesn't take effect immediately. Basically, as wave said before, you can expect more night kills starting the next day.
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On October 15 2014 08:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 15 2014 08:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Why does this always happen whenever I get home
U make me look bad when anti-timing occurs LOL This is too fucking hilarious. You get a chance though because I've noticed what time you post and it has been around now. What I don't excuse is your posting all day in OT and avoiding this thread mostly. It's much easier to do throwaway cancer posts during class in OT than it is to do a full response in a thread where I'm a main suspect and need to be more paced with what I say. I'm able to read the thread though, so I have been following the discourse throughout the day.
Why did you change your signature? It's wifom of the highest order. Your signature is basically the final straw that broke me into voting for you.
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On October 15 2014 11:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
You guys are absolutely tunnelvisioning on me being scum.
I'm not.
There are less reasons than before, but I think a couple certain people have good reasons and then other newbs misconstrue these reasons as clear evidence that I'm scum.
Also why am I seen as a lurker? I lurked on day 1, but other than that I've been posting whenever possible. I have one of the longest filters. It's not Wave-Ketchup status but it's certainly not Coma-Mordek status.
Your filter means nothing, which is part of the problem. You think just because you have 5 pages of posts that are somewhere between 1 -3 sentences it means you are actively helping town? It doesn't. You want to look less scummy? Stop doing scummy things. Again, start trying to ping out people you think are scum, and pressuring them to respond. I admit that you have other priorities, but it doesn't mean I can let you get away with the way you post.
Answer these questions for me: Why are you not scum? What town moves/plays have you made to help town find scum? Those are the biggest questions I have for you, and others probably have as well.
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Wave, it's not the lack of posts that annoy me about the lurkers, but the lack of interaction between everyone in the thread. Right now, it's usually me, you, or soniv. Before this, we could add in tolkien too. The majority of the players have very little interaction between each other. I'm trying very hard to force interaction when I can, but it doesn't work the way I want. I tried to pressure Req to expand on reads, and he went defensive on me. Worse yet, he seems more confused than ever.
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Why is game so difficult? QQ
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