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On October 12 2014 19:04 DarthPunk wrote: Probably sn0 and That food guy. They look the worst right now anyway. ftr I don't think sno is mafia. | ||
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On October 12 2014 19:34 DarthPunk wrote: All he has done is say that he wants to bring me down a notch which was not productive and did not in anyway contribute to solving the game. Yes and it doesn't make him mafia because he does very little on D1's anyways. In other words it's not alignment indicative. GB however calls ritoky's reads "bizarre" and therefore mafia when he shares ritoky's top scumread (geript). Makes sense how? | ||
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Someone trying to scumhunt is scum... w00t? | ||
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Oats is almost definitely town for cutting out the shit talk someone tried to push after his claim. Whoever that dude was didn't even call hopeless mafia but only casted doubt on his claim for no reason (it was the correct play to claim). Why did you do that whoever you were? | ||
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Also does it make sense to you he scumreads people for trying to scumhunt? | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Yes to the first question. Besides geript, ritoky's reads and different than GB's, and even the reasoning for geript is different as well. If I was scumreading someone and someone else was scumreading them as well, but for crappy reasons, I would totally call him out on it. It's a good indication of scum either pretending to be active or bussing. Can you give me the specific example for the second question? I'm not sure what it is referring to. Also when I was revisiting GB's filter, I noticed that he volunteered information that he was at a party like 4 times, even though nobody criticized him for being absent. Seems a little too defensive to me. If there's something scummy about GB to me, it would be that. I would still rather lynch sqrt today though. What do you think about him? On GlowingBear: On October 12 2014 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: On Geript + Show Spoiler [questioning] + On October 12 2014 06:26 geript wrote: Hello "town." Why'd you take so long coming to the thread? On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. On October 12 2014 06:37 geript wrote: If you're happy to play, then why are you bullshitting so much early? I don't think his massive questioning is a town trait. I think it's a scum trying to look like town here. Look, it's easy to start questioning and look contributive at early game. It's a good opportunity for mafia to gain two points. But check the second quote. He raises suspicions on damdy for saying that I might be mafia instead of being incisive. Should damdy be really that incisive when I've only posted twice? Why picking on this? He picked on this because it is easy to pick and look contributive. It's easy to see something little and question about it, specially when there's nothing to infer from it, and gain town points by doing that. I see much more a mafia doing this than a townie. Now, on DP "I have no idea about his alignment but I'll vote him LOLOLOL I DON'T CARE" Not caring is a mafia trait, right? So this is really scum. But isn't this too scum? Like, if you're mafia, you would risking posting like this? So, my conclusions on this post is 1) He is mafia trying to be read as town because he is too mafia to be mafia, or 2) He is blue fishing for a null read. He starts looking scummy but then goes to a town like position, which would make people only lean town on him. But talking about blue roles is stupid, it only helps mafia. That's why I didn't want to talk about it. This took to long, I think I made my point. Here is the summarization post he made. He calls geript out for trying to scumhunt. He literally does that. It does not matter what he thinks of Damdred but the read on geript (based on his questioning on Damdred is terribad). I cannot possibly believe he thinks geript is mafia for asking questions on people because geript is "trying to pick on things to look like he is scumhunting". Put yourself in geript's position for a while. Do you think it's possible geript as town thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think it's certainly possible. Now what would geript do in case he is town and thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think exactly what he did. He is scumhunting. Hell he is not even voting for Damdred so apparently he isn't sure Damdred is mafia. He is just trying to find out information on things he doesn't understand (which is btw what GB calls a town trait....). Does it make geript town? Certainly not because he could very well do that as mafia aswell. But it DEFINITELY does not make him mafia. I find it impossible GlowingBear has a scumread on geript. Then he calls DarthPunk mafia for "not caring". I am amazed. In GlowingBear's mind DarthPunk is a really good player so would mafia!DP do this? I cannot believe he reads DP mafia for this. Except he doesn't really even read him as scum. He reads him "mafia or blue". Which just doesn't fit. The explanation absolutely does not fit. "DarthPunk who is a really good players intentionally tries to look like he is scum because he is blue". Really good players do not do that and GlowingBear should know that. Another thing is he calls ritoky's reads bizarre.Well his reads are like 1500x more bizarre because they are based on null or town tells. Ritoky's reads are mostly based on meta or feelings of how certain people would approach the game as town or mafia. There is nothing wrong with having this sort of reads at this point of the game especially when his own (at least town) reads (read: Damdred for example) are based on purely same sort of though process ritoky is using. That being said i like your case on sqrt. Unless i am mistaken i have not played with him before and i have no clue how he would play as town or as mafia. I don't know if he is mafia but unless he can explain himself and elaborate further i think you got a decent case. | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno about gb man. That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum. He did the EXACT same thing against me in the last game he was mafia in. It threw me off and he KNEW it. Not gonna fly any more. | ||
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You should be one of the people to realize why GB's read on you is heavily forced and backpedalled as soon as people call him out for it. Why don't you realize that? | ||
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Point out why they are scummy. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote: Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia right? | ||
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Anyways, you didn't answer my question. You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue. So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not"). So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote: Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia (which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote: Why his reads are bad: "VE is town because he has a relieved feeling in his posts". Do you really believe that this is something you can read from a forum game, or that this kind of thing is so clear that makes you believe someone is town? Yes i do believe that's something you can read from a forum game. I don't believe in this particular situation it makes VE town but i can understand ritoky can have that read as town. Also, he says VE is gathering information from people. From his perspective, isn't geript too? Isn't DP? Why solely VE got a town pass? His read on VE / geript is not only that. That's only a small portion of the read. The reads are mostly based on behaviour and how VE / geript (or town and mafia) tend to act at the start of the game - generally, and how VE7geript did it in this game regarding their past games. There is nothing wrong with this and you are misconstruing what ritoky in fact said as a whole. He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't. Yes i do think this could be alignment indicative. That's why i am not buying CR's case fully and that's why i want sqrt to elaborate more on his reads. He says geript isn't scum because he isn't happy. Again, that feeling thing. he says geript is scum..... Also, Rayn, it's totally okay to have the same scum read of your scum read. Mafia can always bus and in this particular case, we have different reasonings. And you know that. And you knowing that worries me. Only dumb mafia busses in this particular case so no, in this particular scenario it doesn't make any sense at all. His scum read on damdy is basically saying that he should be telling us my town tell. If damdred says it to everybody, I'll be able to fake it. It's obvious. It doesn't make damdred scum for that. BUT the past of not being contributive is okay. I think damdred should speak more. His scumread on Damdred is because he thinks Damdred gave a read that's based on bullshit rather than something concrete and he thinks Damdred is therefore just saying things out of his ass. Let's entertain a scenario where Damdred is town and ritoky is mafia. What good does it do for ritoky to call out Damdred for something like this? Then Damdred just tells his "tell on GB" and the situation is resolved and there is not gonna be a chance of Damdred calling you mafia ever in this game again based on (possibly) a shitty meta (which could be likely). It is much more likely he pushes Damdred for information as town here. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:05 GlowingBear wrote: My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible. You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue. I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1 red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts". green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?" | ||
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You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning). That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" | ||
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Never ever. They do "too town to be scum"..... | ||
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What's your read on CR? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote: Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote: You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote: Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post. Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game? Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia... | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote: oh my gosh, what is this fight that I really cant be bothered to read. town and town. It's not a fight. It's me calling GB scum for something and him saying "i misphrased my post that's why it's scummy". | ||
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And another guy who did the same thing "mafia or blue" without thinking the consequenses from the beginning. Your vote is nowhere, and now you are calling ritoky mafia. I answered your post about ritoky already. I also said i am not going to convince you that you are mafia and wanted to talk about something else. So unless you think i am mafia why have you not commented on my post about your ritoky read? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself. | ||
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Not at all.. I said you gave yourself an out by saying DP is blue if not mafia. Townies do not think someone is blue if they do a scummy thing "because town can act scummy if they are blue". That's just bullshit. Townies push a case on scummy people because they want to lynch mafia. You are not doing that. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:25 GlowingBear wrote: Leaning town. I had some suspicions on him but his posts are making sense, which is not something that happens too much when he is mafia. Yours? Most obviously town after Hopeless. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:44 GlowingBear wrote: He didn't call Damdred mafia, he said he didn't care for his alignment. Are you scumreading me for attacking a post without even knowing its content? He called him useless which would mean he is either mafia or anyways not helping the town. Which translates into a message to all the people: "Don't be useless because you'll get lynched if you are". That'sa pro-town behaviour regardless of DarthPunk's alignement. If he had kept his vote on Damdred and just pushed his lynch it would more likely to be mafia behaviour. But he didn't. He is calling all the people who make useless posts out. Is that a mafia trait to you? Like i can understand you initially give DP a scumread for his vote on Damdred. but still? scumreading him for that is ridiculous given what he has done since. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote: for like 2 fucking pages man. And you havent decided if hes scum yet? are you even reading? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:46 GlowingBear wrote: I also commented your post on ritoky. I said everything was a matter of opinion and that I thought we wouldn't convince each other regarding him. Okay i must have missed this then. How are you planning on convincing other people if you do not debunk my counter-case on your case? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:51 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. Explaining further. You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP. What would a townie do? 1) Force me into saying who I think is blue 2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right? But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue. So: A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue or B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue. Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP? (1) is not relevant. People would force you to say you think DP is blue because they think you already think so and if you give a different reasoning for your scummy post you are 100% mafia. Why would anyone do (2) instead of (1) as you have already outed your "blue or mafia" read on DP? Which is why i don't believe you, this is too easy to figure out. It is too easy to figure out in case you are town you should never have said what you did in the first place. It's too easy to figure out (1) is obviously the correct answer. And i don't believe you are dumb enough to not see that. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:55 geript wrote: Rayn why don't i have a townread on you yet? Can you please be super towny for me? Probably not. GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: all Im seeing is the same thing from 2 pages ago. Why are you still arguing if you think hes scum? Are you trying to convince GB that he is scum? I am trying to get more information since you are just staying in the sidelines and not telling what we should be talking about. Which is scummy since you seem to think both of us are town. Two townies are fighting and you don't give the thread a new direction while clearly being here. Why Oats? What should we talk about? | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:00 geript wrote: Why not? Did Barakos roll mafia and pee his pants? No he didn't. At least he didn't do the former. Dunno about the latter. ##unvote | ||
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I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment. | ||
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Explain how does the part you bolded make any sense at all? I literally had a brainfart and it in fact does NOT make any sense. ##unvote ##vote: GlowingBear | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not trying to get lynched - I'm trying not to do shit while rayn is alive. Jeez, I'm not like playing against my wincon or anything Oats. Why would you not do shit when i am alive? | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Because you're going to yell louder than me and you disagree with literally everything I say. I'm not fighting you this game. I am also not fighting you this game so please just play. Like you did after D1 in neat and tidy. Please do so in case you are town. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: First time I've seen rayn be so polite. I thought it would go like, "Play the game or you die" I am trying to not be an ass. I was also silently saying "play the game or you die". VE what do you make of DP's & geript's contributions towards me regarding the fact they were very eager to establish a town circle within "strong" players at the start of the game? | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Geript has said one thing, a question TO you about why he's not reading you town. It looks to me like he's trying to get a read on you > consistent with him trying to gather strong townies together. DP has engaged with you regarding his sn0 read it looks like, > consistent with him trying to gather strong townies together. I think they're both playing consistently with their play yesterday. I don't think geript has asked me anything for realz. He asked me to "be townie". What's that??? And said he isn't townreading me. Fair enough. Then he should do something about it. DP did do that, yes. I don't like his read on Sn0, and he isn't even voting for him so why would he not talk about ritoky if he thinks he is scum and i don't? | ||
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What i mean by this VE is that: DP is voting for ritoky. I replace into the game and tell i disagree with his read on Sn0. Instead of trying to work with me and getting me to talk about ritoky he asks me why do i disagree with a read he is not voting for... Put yourself into his pants, regardless of my affiliation what would your "first thing to do" in the situation be if you were DP? geript just... i don't even know what his agenda is. Although i never do. I am just probably gonna wait for him to say something really smart or really scummy. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:53 geript wrote: My actual plan is to wait until I get a solid read on you either way and either lynch you or sheep you. You can do your thing until then. So you've been looking forward to playing with me again but you don't really wanna play with me? | ||
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Then he didn't vote for him so i am not sure anymore. | ||
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And i still don't believe this because you just played scum with him in a game where he was all game "too bad to be scum". Maybe you're both mafia. | ||
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Now you VE and geript can "do your thing". Not gonna post until late tomorrow. You guys are lame. really lame. | ||
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1) plays close to none during weekends. 2) antagonizes people. Especially people who play like me (like DP) 3) hardly ever has any opinions on D1 Okay. Good read ve. Good read. | ||
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On October 13 2014 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who doubts me should rekonize that rayn is mafia too and he's defending him based on nothing. It's open and shut, we lynch Sn0, then we lynch rayn for defending them, then we fear lynch me for being too right, then you lynch the last mafia (assuming 3). gg guys. Pretry sure this is what you said. No actually i am absolutely sure.. No DP. I don't want to lynch sn0. I want to lynch GB. | ||
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GlowingBear is clearly not scumhunting and making posts without even thinking what he says. His scumreads changed suddenly to sno & kush.... surprise surprise lurkers. I don't buy his defense. I just don't. For a second i thought he was town because of his comment on oats but then he went back to derpland immediately. Ritoky could still be scum. I don't see what he is trying to achieve wirh his latest posting. Other people look more or less town. Not lynching sqrt. | ||
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##vote Oatsmaster Consider my vote here. I am still at work and only on by phone. Let's not kill gb, at least he is fucking trying. Oats doesn't think anyone is really mafia in oats' y way and if geript is town his read is probably right. | ||
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We are not lynching geript. | ||
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After all he could be scum. Or someone of the lurkers. Fuck there is too much lurking. Or Oats. God this is awful i don't even know who i want to lynch. I voted for sqrt. | ||
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That lynch is going to ruin the game. | ||
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Then the townies on the lynch can blame themselves for losing the game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:11 ritoky wrote: Dear rayn, I have a gut mafia read on geript from the start. I think VE makes some decent points. I think damdred makes an interesting point as well regarding if x is your top scum read then why do you then spend time pushing/making a case on y? Could you please give me reasons as to meritorious things geript has done and/or a non-coin flip target? Sincerely, ritoky Not talking to you because you are either playng very poorly or you are mafia because you just hide in the sidelines and do nothing and when someone is under attack you come in parroting other people. You have literally not done shit but so hasn't like 6 other players and it annoys the shit out of me. Let's lynch sqrt and go from there. Or Oats. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:17 geript wrote: I can agree that one of your reads is scummy because what he did and how he did it was exceptionally scummy. Doesn'tmake the read right or wrong. Even more so, unless you're pulling a Hapa, then you're probably mafia. I'm not actually sure right now. What I do know is that it's really, really fucking odd that you're pushing on me at hte end of the day when there's a billion lurkers around and I'm pretty towny. Hell you've even ignored the fact that Damdred had a town read on me supposedly. Then he's happy to insta flip. As town, he generally doesn't OMGUS until you're made a bunch of big cases and points on him. That's pretty fucking weird itself. Rayn, vote damdred w/ me Do you realizticly think you can even get people to vote for Damdred? Because i don't. So vote sqrt with me. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:17 geript wrote: Wait Rayn, didn't you say like repeatedly to never lynch sqrt? I don't get your vote. I am voting for someone so i can fucking NOT lynch you!!! | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: GB is lynching someone not geript. I'd lynch GB still. Just sayin. I believe you are more likely to be mafia than GB so no, not voting for him because i don't think he is scum. I am however switching to him in case the alternative is geript. Why is sqrt town? why is Oats town? Your meta-read on Oats is competely wrong, his meta is the opposite. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:21 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah but why would you lynch someone you said you would never lynch? Like out of all the people in the game you choose the person you were adamant you wouldn't lynch. Doesn't make sense. and 'Not lynching geript' is like the shittest reason for that vote. Because i have re-evaluated the situation. People not pushing sqrt when he is quite scummy after all doesn't make any sense in case he is town. Unless CR is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me in the first place. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, he forgot you and Bara were the same slot? I don't know, that seems like reasonable doubt to me. I'm not sure about Oats, my meta is specifically "I have a hard time reading Oats" Like, I'm not mafia and I think that's fairly obvious...you threating to lynch me is just lolz. From mafiaGeript I expect it but not from you. Are you seriously saying this ?!?!?!?!?!? I have probably called you mafia and wanted to lynch you in my ~10/15 last towngames! Like what the hell is this supposed to mean? | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:33 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn Vote oats for justice please. done. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:33 geript wrote: I would, but the food was the only thing of content in them. +1 and that's why ritoky couldvery well be scum. The posts he makes are to be forgotten. Does anyone remember anything ritoky has said without reading his filter? I don't. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:37 DarthPunk wrote: I actually think his posts are ok but the food is annoying as fuck. No they are not. They are uninteresting. Like they were in tinyhunt game where everyone and their mother read him as town and only the town based god cop saved us from total doom (and even then everyone and their mother wanted to lynch the real cop who was so obvious). | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:37 geript wrote: really?  But like how do you tell the difference between his town play and his mafia play? Like I legit have no good way to read that guy and he always looks like mafia to me. But this game looked far more like what I remember of his mafia play when read like 7 or so of his past games. Like any game I'm a vig, I'll probably just shoot him just to remove a question mar. Damdred is always scummy as fuck. His posting lines up with his conclusions. Like i feel like all game he has tried to get a read on GB -- which he has now succeeded in. Then he voted for his scumread. Yes, the reasons are imo poor but his play is consistent. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:39 geript wrote: Does Hopeless sheep this much as town? IDK. I've only played like 1-2 games with him iirc. Hopeless is town because he claimed prime. | ||
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No that's not it. It's that it makes Damdred more likely to be town because i can see the motivation behind his actions. Like if he is being consistent why is he mafia here? | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:42 ritoky wrote: ? I didn't play in tinyhunt? Sorry, you have the wrong individual. yes you did. season of the witch = tinyhunt | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:50 ritoky wrote: oh, well you had me as your top town until i got red checked....so either you re-evaluated post game or you are lying, but w/e past games. anywayz following my top town reads onto oats, not as confident as they are though. Inever read any of your posts past the town jesus post where i decided you are probably town. You never said anything interesting after that and i basically forgot both of the scum left after D1 were in the game. lol. Until the claimwarz! | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:56 geript wrote: But if there's 3 primes then town essentially knows the setup. BH would never do that RNG or no. lolol this might actually be true. | ||
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DP is town Hopeless is town GB is town geript is town CR probably town (don't like his last second entrance after half-day lurk) Damdred probably town VE i dunno i don't like the defeated attitude and it seems forced kush can go die with his "i will never play games i join in" sqrt probs mafia ritoky probs mafia why is the game hard again? | ||
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What am i supposed to think? You want to lynch geript. Right after Dp and YOUR LYNCH TARGET geript change their votes to Oats (which was btw as much your lynch target as mine) you sheep them. You sheep the dude you are voting for and who you think is mafia!!! When Oats flips town your attitude becomes "game is lost defaulting my vote on geript kthxbye". How does it make any sense? You didn't push your lynch. You sheeped your scumread. You cannot say i shot geript and GB down for no reason because i had my reasons. The case on geript was terrible. The case was "geript made a better case on Oats than Damdred who he voted for". Now the case is even more terrible because it doesn't make any sense for mafia!geript's perspective to do what you said. I have laid out my reasons for why GB is town. Furthermore when GB was being lynched the only counter-wagon at that time was geript. GB heavily opposed the lynch on geript, which doesn't make any sense because if he was mafia he would want to lynch ANYONE other than himself (a lynch that he can get -- in this case, geript). How again am i wrong here? | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:14 geript wrote: I don't really like the GB lynch. I kinda think he's town and he's been really active. I could be wrong. Plus, Oats is voting for GB which doesn't bode well imo. I could switch to Sn0 or maybe ritoky for lulz. VE I think you're probably town here. Rayn might be mafia, really unsure of that. It really bugs me that I don't have a good townread on him right now. I'm pretty sure that DP is town; moreso than I was last night. There might be 1 active scum, but I think most of the scum are in the non-vet less active people. I find it a bit interesting how DP tends to have a really good read on Kush but doesn't as of yet as best I can remember. So Kush is someone else we should probably consider lynching. I honestly don't think we can expect Sn0 to post much if anything on D2 given my experience with him. Damdred I think is another good lynch; that said, that's a bit less consistent because I've always read him as mafia. His start was exceptionally odd considering his pasts games. Imma be honest VE; I think you're really off track. On October 14 2014 03:52 geript wrote: I actually think we should lynch Damdred here. He only has 2 pages of filter and in the last 4 town games he's had 4-5 minimum on day 1. He started the day of exceptionally odd. I think you, me and DP all noticed that he's a bit weird. He's actually reading me right, which is something he has yet to do as town. He's also done nothing. I remember meta'ing him in a previous game and noting that passive Damdred tends to be mafia damdred. I don't see why he's town at all actually. Kinda surprised I haven't seriously filtered him before now. #vote On October 14 2014 03:56 geript wrote: Don't really have time to explain everything, but this was from a Season of a Witch. I was wrong in that game about his alignment, but the meta holds true. This is actually quite interesting. So geript says he cannot read Damdred and always reads him mafia. Then he says Damdred is mafia here in this game because of meta which he did last game which was wrong also in that game. of my god maybe geript and GB are just both fucking scum and i was an idiot on D1. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: And my second point was me calling you town. So good to know it doesn't mean anything. I'll keep that in mind. I meant your second point on geript where you called him scum because he flipped his read on you. I don't think it means anything because townies (for example you - and many others) tend to do so. So does mafia but that does not MAKE him mafia. | ||
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Wait VE what was the name of the World heavyweight champions game where there was the nomination lynch mechanic? I think geript did something very similar there. Like there was a lynch going and he just dropped some random new lynch targets at the end of D1. | ||
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GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed. DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB. Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him. Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game. I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town. sqrt's posting is just terrible. ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline. kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way. The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: How did you switch to strong townread VE? Why geript flipping mafia would make me town? Regarding oats lynch, I was at work and couldn't do much, but he was one of my strongest scumreads so I was ok with his lynch. I only started doubting when I realised how fast the wagon on him was formed and after noticing the vote count. How can you affirm both hopeless and DP are town? Don't get me wrong, I'm also reading them as town now, but I find the possibility of having 3 primes very low. Also, what else made you drastically change your town read on geript to a scumread? Only his meta argument on damdred? I slept over it and it doesn't make any sense for mafia!VE to act like he did after the lynch. As mafia VE is rational and altogether a good player as scum. As town he is also good but sometimes (well.. in fact quite often ) driven by emotion rather than logic which is what he did at D1 end and N1 start. Especially you should be reading him town. Why would VE lynch Oats (while kind of contradicting himself) instead of just placing his vote on you (who he had a scumread on) when geript is not getting lynched any more? It's just far more likely he just followed DP onto Oats and then flipped his shit when he realized he should have just believed himself.Let's just say i don't think you are mafia regardless of geript's affiliation. It would just strengthen my read because of how geript likes to play. Why are you even asking this? You should be happy someone will believe you are near 100% town if geript flips mafia. I am not going to evaluate on my townreads unless people want to lynch them and are pushing the town to wrong track. Noone wants to lynch you so the discussion is useless in the first place. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't understand but the main point is what i remember of how geript plays scum and you both being mafia doesn't fit. Which players on the wagon are scum then? You noticed there is something wrong with the wagon. Oats flipped town so that shit surely didn't get any better so who is mafia there in your opinion and why? Hopeless basically outed himself as prime before even claiming (he was quite obviously asking geript "why should i claim my role") when geript told every prime should claim. DarthPunk would never have claimed prime as mafia in the situation he did. Come on.... It's quite simple.Regarding my read change on geript, yes. That. That read on Damdred makes zero sense by his own definition. geript also likes to push townies who are not being talked about and who are not current/even realistic lynch candidates when town is being lynched (in this case you/Oats -> geript suddenly pushes Damdred). I am still trying to find that fucking game (except that i'll have dinner first) so i can prove my point. | ||
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"yo those primes should claim!" On October 12 2014 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote: Is this like claiming miller but helpful instead? What about the possible game mods. Hopeless says: "why should i claim my role, does it help us in some way?" Badam! The obvious answer! geript not so good at figuring out setups. lynch him D2, he probably claims some role but still lynch him. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:52 geript wrote: bull shit. I figure out setups amzingly. I even figure out NK's pretty well too. Rayn, you're being dumb here again. Well then you must be mafia because neither of Hopeless and DP are. | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you ever find the game? I'm trying to find too and having trouble XD Survivor series Mafia. Found it just before i posted. | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: DP could be - I maintain that nothing he's done is outside his gamut as mafia. But that's a world I'll start considering much later. Look. Think about it yourself. There is 2 prome claims. You are scum. Would you claim another prime? | ||
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On October 15 2014 03:47 sqrtofneg1 wrote: GB, CR and Hopeless are scum. Like why the hell are you even saying this as it is very clear for anyone with any brain you haven't actually read anything at all based on your last posts? How the hell can you possibly think you are helping town with saying this? | ||
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You have 27 posts in this game. That means however lazy or what the fuck ever you are you have most likely used at least 30 minutes in total playing this game. The thread is about 50 pages long. In those 30 minutes you would have had about 2 seconds / post to skim through the thread. It's not an impossible task to do and at least have a fucking clue of what has being on in the game, what is important, what is not, and comment on it, regardless of how small your brain is. So stop shitposting and play the game. I am tired of you not playing games you join in regardless of your affiliation because you just can't consolideate your time consumption into important matters instead of shitting up the thread. Play or get lynched. I don't even care if we lose the game because of you if you continue play like this. | ||
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Do you think you are playing mafia now kush? This is a serious question. Do you think you have played mafia in this game -- while the game has been going on? | ||
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And i hate it because i am trying to be extra nice and want him to play which he surely is capable of. Noone will ever answer questions like "who is scummy" when there is about 5 people in the thread arguing about who is scum and pushing reads. Now would be a time for me to explain the laziest of the lazy to what to look for and try to communicate with them since noone else is here. But no. kush since you seem to be claiming you've been playing mafia could you go into your own filter and show me something you have said that has been any relevance to anything? Like where do you tell who is scum in your opinion and why. | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:45 kushm4sta wrote: isn't it weird that rayn is speaking from the point of view that i'm town when he has no real reason to think that? Also what makes you think like i am talking from a pov i think you are town because i am not? | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:55 kushm4sta wrote: incorrect. If everyone played like rayn, mafia would be a game of pure logic. Low activity players add an element of psychology. You can't look at logic so instead you have to look at behavior and attitude. That's what rayn doesn't understand. And that's why he'll never be good at the game. No. What you just said probably never makes you good at the game. When there is no content it becomes a game of guessing. More content = more accurate reads 100%. Anyone claiming otherwise does not know what they are talking about. | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:58 kushm4sta wrote: ya rayn ofc reads are more accurate with more content. but it's a game of imperfect information. the point is use the little information you have to make educated guesses. that's not how the game works. the game works in a way that everyone who is town SHOULD give enough information about them to be read as town. The information should not be, as you claim here, "silent" or "secret" or "hardly to be analyzed". But that's enough for mafia theory. Could you answer the questions i asked you? | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:14 kushm4sta wrote: doesn't help town does help scum that is regardless of whether or not it's likely for me to get shot. also it clutters the thread. also im lazy. the only points worth answering are the two on top. both are wrong. | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:22 kushm4sta wrote: doens't help town because you can just give the right before the night ends (or during the day phase if there is no chance of getting shot) instead. helps scum because it gives them information about your thoughts to better use their night actions. This is not right because, you see, townies do not know if you are town or mafia. That's going to be one less town to make a call on your alignment in case you post at the last minute. TLDR; that heuristic is crap regardless of your role, if you are town. | ||
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People just go "woo i'll hold on with my thoughts until the last minute (so noone can ever contribute anything which by default loses 24h of collective towns time)". I've always hated that. Always. Just because it's so wrong. For onvce i would hope to play a game where everyone played every phase of the game and scumhunted. Maybe someday... | ||
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I gotta get up in about 5 hours so: First of all; Never trust any claims and lynch them!!! Seriously. There is no way either of Hopeless or DarthPunk is fakeclaiming. I am willing to take all the blame of the loss of this game if we do lose because one of them was fakeclaiming and i am wrong. But i am not going to be wrong. geript is already setting himself up for fakeclaiming doctor. In addition to all said before lynch the shit outta him, he is mafia. Go read the Survivor Series game and his filter. In the game people were set on lynching Corazon D1. Noone wanted to lynch Grackaroni or Oats. See how geript approaches the lynch. He just pushes something he can never get lynched with a weak case. Like in this game. I think he was doing the same thing with Damdred here. There was really no way Damdred was gonna get lynched but still, for some reason geript didn't push Oats who was his second scumread while making a case on him. I don't think the "size" of the case matters but if geript has a scumread on both of the people he would push the one he can realisticly get lynched, he is good enough to figure out. I also don't even think he could actually read Damdred mafia as strong as he claims as i pointed out at the start of N1. Lynch geript, he is mafia. Then lynch kushmasta. He is not playing. He is more interested in talking about irrelevant stuff than he is interested in playing the game. That is a scumtell. Hell the dude even claims "i really wanted to play" at the start of the game!!!! Does it look like he has any interest in playing? No it doesn't. mafia!kush doesn't play. Go look at his past town games and i bet you can find a game where he gives reads during the night. I am 100% sure you can find a game in his past 5 town games but i just don't care to check it right now. If you don't believe me go check it out. Then lynch ritoky. He is the definition of blending in. I don't give a shit about his past town games (i only remember the one where he was the bomb or some shit). I can't just remember anything he has said - at all. scum. In one of his posts he said he "sheeped his strong town reads on Oats". If i am alive at D2 i am going to see if there is indication of which of me, VE, DP and geript he read "strong town". because i am sure he didn't read ME as strong town, not by his posting. Check that out. I bet that one stinks as fuck if you want complete proof. Keep an eye on CR and sqrt. sqrt promised to read, he's been reading for quite a long time already. Expect and demand reads from them. CR can say smart stuff as mafia but usually makes one big post / phase that looks "good" and that's pretty much it. Make both of them play the game and do more stuff they have. They are never mafia together. Never ever lynch VE. He is not going to be mafia this game. GB most likely not mafia aswell. If he is scum inactives fucked up the game because there is just no room to lynch GB as there is no time, you absolutely need to figure out other people. That's the priority as GB looks 100x better than those three "heavily mafia" and two "at least possible mafia". VE & DP please don't lose tha game in case i die. Lynch those fucker scum for the win! Goodluck. Godspeed. | ||
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1) What did you gather from your reaction test. Clear answers not some generic bullshit about what would mafia most likely do. Who is mafia and why regarding your test? You retracted so you MUST have figured out something.If you haven't you are scum. 2) How can you have POSSIBLY thought Hopeless is mafia in this situation where mafia shoots DarthPunk? Like do you think there is ANY chance Hopeless fakeclaims prime -> shoots the second town prime -> in case town has a power role it's gg Hopeless is outed on this day or the next one. 3) Why is sqrt's post @ D2 start good? Show me the good things about that post because i think it's terrible and contradicting itself. If you are going to say the only thing you gathered from your reaction test is that Hopeless is town i will lynch the fuck out of you because we already knew that on N1 as per what i already fucking said. If that's the ONLY thing you got and can "reasonably" explain you are just confusing the town and you will not get out of this one alive. | ||
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"I like GB because setup talk (and doesn't believe all primes are town). I don't know about geript. I don't like him and his talk on setup (which was good when GB did it, just with more words). But hey i'll vote for this dude geript is sold on being mafia based on setup talk in which i already contradicted myself. I just did it again." | ||
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On October 15 2014 16:34 ritoky wrote: you're wrong, i have found multiple mafia easily from my vote analysis and been killed early in games because my vote analysis is strong on these forums. now answer my question. why are you not following through at all on me, even though in almost every one of your reads posts you mention me as a top mafia candidate? because i don't think you are most likely to be mafia and i can only lynch 1 person / day. | ||
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On October 15 2014 16:34 ritoky wrote: you're wrong, i have found multiple mafia easily from my vote analysis and been killed early in games because my vote analysis is strong on these forums. now answer my question. why are you not following through at all on me, even though in almost every one of your reads posts you mention me as a top mafia candidate? So what's your analysis? There is no analysis in your "vote analysis post" for starters. | ||
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On October 15 2014 16:49 ritoky wrote: with one sample of votes it is hard to conclude anything solid, usually you need two. some of my initial thoughts are: 1) rayn was willing to vote off pretty much everyone except the person he most frequently listed as a scum read. 2) kush's vote combined with his lack of play and worse than me by a mile; yet no one really seems to be pressuring him other than for policy reasons. still mulling some things about the rest of it over though. So first of all you call me mafia (kindish?) for not wanting to lynch geript and now wanting to lynch him? well i do re-evaluate the game when new information appears. In this case the lynch and it's results. You also said i voted for "all the lead wagons except for geript and ritoky". That is a really biased wording because i in fact voted for GB, which i had good reasons to. Then i voted for sqrt which i also had good reasons to. I had Oats as mafia and i voted for him. You cannot just look at what someone voted for without analyzing the reasoning behind the votes. If my votes are that "bad" tell me where my reasoning for the votes is bad or where does it not make sense. You can't just say "you did this you are mafia" without telling WHY it does make one mafia. You are not telling why. I also find it funny that you basically call me scum for some generic things without reasoning when the confirmed town DarthPunk did basically the exact same thing speaking in generic manner. How does it make sense i am mafia for what i did and DarthPunk the confirmed townie did the exact same thing? Third; I am pretty much the ONLY person pressuring kushmasta, the dude you seem to be reading as mafia by your vote analysis. How does it make any sense you read me as mafia if kushmasta is in your opinion mafia and vice versa? It's literally impossible we are both mafia because if i am mafia i am setting myself into a position where i can't deny voting for kushmasta too long and if he is also mafia that's just really fucking bad mafia play. Why don't you realize that? On October 15 2014 16:54 ritoky wrote: i have a question for you about myself and CR: we both voted for oats about 10-15 minutes before the deadline. at the time when CR voted, oats was 3 votes clear of being lynched and he unvoted sqrt (who was tied for 2nd). when i voted for sqrt, he was 4 votes clear of being lynched and it was my first vote. do you think either of these are alignment indicative? and if 1 or both of us are mafia, what would be the reason we would have for voting on someone we knew would flip town when they are about to die? I don't think either of your votes are alignment indicative. Both of you could make that vote as any alignment. Question to you: Which ones of your strong townreads you followed to Oats lynch on D1? | ||
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....and if 1 or both of us are mafia, what would be the reason we would have for voting on someone we knew would flip town when they are about to die? This is WIFOM. There are plenty of reasons to do that as mafia. Like taking a stance, seeming like you are interested in the lynch while you in fact are not, making people think it's stupid like you just said, etc etc... As i said it does not make you mafia but it does definitely not make you town. It's pure WIFOM. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:20 ritoky wrote: Regarding all of the early stuff in your post: 1) you don't follow through strongly on some of your reads. you elect to interact extensively regarding game philosophy with kush, you play flippyfloppy with geript and VE, yet some of your reads that you reference very frequently you do absolutely nothing to pursue or develop any further even though there is usually content to go through or a person to interact with. DP didn't have that deficiency imo. So yes, for that and a couple other reasons you are leaning mafia for me. VE and CR That is totally wrong. Point out to everyone where i do not do so. I have been extremely clear about who i think is mafia and why my reads change when they do. I have been the MOST clear person regarding this in the game. Point out where i do not follow through on my reads and not just make some statements without any proof. I find it very hard to believe you actually think this is the case but if you really think so i want you to explain why so i can get a better read on you. It's good that you are actually having an opinion on something, now back up what you say with some actual evidence. On October 15 2014 17:23 ritoky wrote: the 2 got deleted when i was erasing the rest of your quote. rip. 2 was something like this: 2) your pressuring on kush is primarily placed in policy reasons and most of your interaction with him is regarding personal philosophy on how to play. your discussion with him prompted 0 information that could give you a read. that's not pressuring him. How is it possible to have any other reason for thinking kush is mafia other than "he is not playing the game"? Do you suggest i didn't try to get information from kush during N1? How do you suggest i should have approached the situation on N1? What should have i asked him about then? On October 15 2014 17:25 ritoky wrote: further, as i have said in many games, i find that around 80% of the time the first person to list the lurkers in the game and suggest killing them or that they are the mafia is mafia. i don't know if you were precisely the first; i plan to go back and look, but you were very early on in the running for lynch the lurkers. So then you must think GlowingBear is mafia. Go back and re-read. This is another contradiction because I EVEN POINTED OUT GLOWINGBEAR SUDDENLY WANTED TO LYNCH ALL THE LURKERS when he was on the line of getting lynched!!! Your game is all over the place ritoky, and the compilation of your reads doesn't make any sense at all because you are accusing all the people who cannot be mafia together. rofl. What the fuck are you doing? | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:47 ritoky wrote: 1st part: your read on me. you actively refuse to read my posts until now yet have me listed as mafia. 2nd part: i think his throwaway vote on a confirmed townie is a good place to start on solid info on kush. 3rd part: it's only really the 1st person that matters. and yes i think GB is mafia, i have for a while. him wanting to do it doesn't mean you didn't do it as well. On October 15 2014 17:53 ritoky wrote: 1st: Again. I have already stated why i am not focusing on you atm. You are not my top suspect and i do not want to lynch you atm. wtf is this? should i be pushing all my reads that are not solely town? that's retarded. you don't focus on too many places at once. 2nd: That is a really bad observation. So why am i not town then because i basically hard defended that said confirmed town for the whole fucking D1 when it would have been the easiest mislynch ever? Also Sn0 was NOT a confirmed townie on D1, so you are twisting the facts. 3rd: so only the first person matters but i did it TOO so it makes also ME scummy?????!?!? hahahahah! Who is mutually exclusive from who from being mafia together? I wasn't aware that people are so strongly associated that it is actually impossible for them to be mafia together. I mean, bussing isn't a thing right? Please enlighten me on this perfect knowledge you have. Also your defense seems quite exaggerated and over the top especially from someone you have thought is scum for a long time. Especially when I have only stated I think you're leaning mafia for me. GB is pretty clearly the lynch for me today unless something jesus worthy happens. It is impossible that i am mafia with either GB or kush. If you can't see that i'll lynch you today. So you better drop either me or both of those guys on your scumlist in case you are town. The reasons are obvious for anyone who has paid any attention to the game and therefore i am not willing to elaborate on them. Yes, bussing is a thing. Unnecessary bussing is not, at least it's not for me. How the FUCK does it make any sense i - as mafia - tell people to lynch all claims - then GB - as my partner - fucking fakeclaims the next second? NEVER! If i was mafia with kush i would just call him an idiot and ignore him because i could very well do that, every-fucking-body has ignored him so far so i could do that aswell, easily. But no, instead of that you are suggesting there is a possibility that i am bussing him, for no fucking reason?!?!?!?! Dude you are either playing quite badly or scum. Which is it? And no, i am not defending myself because there is nothing to defend to. I am trying to figure out your alignment and so far you're not looking quite dandy because you make absolutely no sense in ANYTHING you say. You are just throwing shit left and right without actually thinking what anything people actually say means. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:47 ritoky wrote: 1st part: your read on me. you actively refuse to read my posts until now yet have me listed as mafia. 2nd part: i think his throwaway vote on a confirmed townie is a good place to start on solid info on kush. 3rd part: it's only really the 1st person that matters. and yes i think GB is mafia, i have for a while. him wanting to do it doesn't mean you didn't do it as well. 1st: Again. I have already stated why i am not focusing on you atm. You are not my top suspect and i do not want to lynch you atm. wtf is this? should i be pushing all my reads that are not solely town? that's retarded. you don't focus on too many places at once. 2nd: That is a really bad observation. So why am i not town then because i basically hard defended that said confirmed town for the whole fucking D1 when it would have been the easiest mislynch ever? Also Sn0 was NOT a confirmed townie on D1, so you are twisting the facts. 3rd: so only the first person matters but i did it TOO so it makes also ME scummy?????!?!? hahahahah! On October 15 2014 17:53 ritoky wrote: Who is mutually exclusive from who from being mafia together? I wasn't aware that people are so strongly associated that it is actually impossible for them to be mafia together. I mean, bussing isn't a thing right? Please enlighten me on this perfect knowledge you have. Also your defense seems quite exaggerated and over the top especially from someone you have thought is scum for a long time. Especially when I have only stated I think you're leaning mafia for me. GB is pretty clearly the lynch for me today unless something jesus worthy happens. It is impossible that i am mafia with either GB or kush. If you can't see that i'll lynch you today. So you better drop either me or both of those guys on your scumlist in case you are town. The reasons are obvious for anyone who has paid any attention to the game and therefore i am not willing to elaborate on them. Yes, bussing is a thing. Unnecessary bussing is not, at least it's not for me. How the FUCK does it make any sense i - as mafia - tell people to lynch all claims - then GB - as my partner - fucking fakeclaims the next second? NEVER! If i was mafia with kush i would just call him an idiot and ignore him because i could very well do that, every-fucking-body has ignored him so far so i could do that aswell, easily. But no, instead of that you are suggesting there is a possibility that i am bussing him, for no fucking reason?!?!?!?! Dude you are either playing quite badly or scum. Which is it? And no, i am not defending myself because there is nothing to defend to. I am trying to figure out your alignment and so far you're not looking quite dandy because you make absolutely no sense in ANYTHING you say. You are just throwing shit left and right without actually thinking what anything people actually say means. | ||
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Only lurker i have so far heavily considered lynching is sqrt and that was NOT because he was lurking. Again, back up your statements with proper quotes. Oh right... you can't!!! Because i didn't do what you said i did. | ||
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On October 15 2014 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky explain to me why you did read VE & CR as top town on D1. That's not clear from your posting at all. | ||
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And if you don't think you're both defending yourself and overreacting to the minimal accusations of someone you supposedly think is scum; you might want to re-read your posts. If that doesn't work, you need to improve your English or reading comprehension. Quite defensive. You call it defending. I call it pointing out statements that are ridiculous and have no proof behind them. Could you post the proof? Or let's do it this way... Question to everyone: Who thinks what ritoky says about me has proof behind it and/or has he clearly pointed out the proof he is claiming is there? Do you think his accusations towards me are reasonable for someone who is properly reading the game? | ||
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1) i like developing my reads on people over the course of the game. regardless of if they are my express target or not. you actively refused to read my posts (not town thing to do) and you did not develop anything from your interaction with kush other than fluffity fluff fluff. Incorrect. I actively refused to answer you/talk to you because your posting was just fluff that didn't accomplish anything. 2) you interacted with him more than ANYONE in the entire thread AFTER he had flipped; and didn't even mention it once. if he refuses to answer, that's on him; but you didn't even try. yet he gets scum read. mhm. i think there's a level of conceit to your game. Are you talking about his vote? I don't find it a scum/town tell. Why would i mention non-alignment indicative stuff? You say "if he doesn't answer it's on him". But then it's bad i scumread him for it?!?!?!? Like should i scumread him or townread him because he didn't want to push the game forward? I scumread him for it. How is this scummy? YOU JUST SAID IT IS THE CORRECT CONCLUSION!!!! | ||
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On October 15 2014 19:01 ritoky wrote: VE I made pretty clear early on. He has done nothing but re-enforce it with his play. I mean....I don't see how you could see him as not town right now. Especially because he pretty much solo beat a fake claim to death with a stick. CR: Was it not there, or were you not reading cuz of the food pictures? CR made me begin to doubt my read on sqrt because his post was good, and sqrt has only continued in the same vein of play since then. His points about GB being defensive and overstating being at a party without being prompted were my exact thoughts, he just typed them before I could. And, unlike you, I don't think he would vote on a very clearly already dead townie, as mafia, 10 mins before the deadline. Yes that's what i would expect you to answer... mostly. Read on CR is fine and makes sense. Can you point out the posts from VE that made you think he is town early on? | ||
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That is completely twist of what i was. I am clearly saying "keep an eye on them" because they have posted so little it's hard to figure out their alignment. Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension yourself... | ||
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You're being dumb on this and i am not going to explain myself further. If you are gonna push this feel free to do so. Noone is going to buy that shit. | ||
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On October 12 2014 12:12 ritoky wrote: i am accusing you of aligning yourself heavily with people who are traffic copping (moreso darth than geript). 1 of which i think is playing dissimilar to his normal town game, and the other who i have never played with, but seems sour. Interesting. Care to clarify this post because this doesn't look like a townread to me? And it happened after the posts you quoted. | ||
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VE I made pretty clear early on. He has done nothing but re-enforce it with his play. Doesn't seem like the red part is in line with what you are saying now in comparsion to what you posted on D1. So why are you talking out of your ass? | ||
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On October 15 2014 19:21 ritoky wrote: ? I didn't like with whom my top town read at the time was associating himself strongly with. I mean, that's pretty clearly stated. It doesn't particularly have to do with VE, it has to do with me being a dick to DP cuz he was a dick to me and me not liking him buddying geript when geript is sketchy. Don't see how that besmirches my town read on VE in the slightest. What? You clearly accuse VE of doing something. You literally say so. People do not accuse their townreads from what i know. | ||
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1) His read evolution on VE and how he explains it here. Does anyone think a townie would "accuse" their townread like ritoky says here? well i don't. 2) His scumreads now. He seems to have me, GB and kushmasta as scumreads. It doesn't make any sense at all for me being mafia with either of those people. It just doesn't. ritoky's thought process shows a complete lack of any logical thinking which i don't think is townie at all. He never answers me regarding the things he claims make me scummy (when those aren't even things -- he is not proving them, and he can't possibly prove them because they are not true). He claims i was acting scummily regarding kushmasta on N1 while what i did and my conclusion is what he claims to be more likely townie..... He claims doing something (in this situation scumreading or rather wanting to lynch lurkers) is scummy if done in a certain time. When i do it (except that i really don't) at some other point -- "well what the hell it's still scummy". 3) ritoky's vote on D1. He says he was following his strong townreads VE and CR onto Oats. That's fine, if it only was just that. But it's not. People who started the Oats lynch were DarthPunk and geript. ritoky doesn't think either of those guys is strong town. He scumreads geript. I don't even know what his read on DP is but it doesn't seem like it was town. Then VE votes. Then I vote. ritoky doesn't think i am town, didn't think i am necessarily town on D1. Then CR votes. Well CR hasn't done much on D1. Based on this the people voting on Oats (colors from ritoky's reads) are (in order of time of their votes): DarthPunk geript VE raynpelikoneet Hopeless CR Notice that at this time the opposing wagons are geript and GlowingBear!!!! So ritoky sheeps a vote pushed by his scumreads against lynches on his scumreads and says "i am sheeping my townreads although i am not as confident on the lynch as they are". !!!!! This is mafia behaviour. It literally doesn't make any sense at all. It also doesn't make any sense he isn't scumreading geript any more (or maybe he is, but then he scumreading like fucking mostly everyone in the game....) ritoky is mafia. ##vote: ritoky | ||
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World Heavyweight Championship mafia III (Town Vanilla Killed Night 1): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2014 07:45 kushm4sta wrote: Artanis/Onegu Not gonna put a lot of effort into this one cause I can't really be bothered to. K so let's look at the reasons behind each of these scumreads. Vivax and poofter are scum because he doesn't know how they are reading him. Know who cares how people read them? scum. Overall bad reasons with no specifics. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Here's his case on haru. 3 neatly laid out reasons, all of them bad and easy for scum to make. The second is especially bad. Haru didn't realize artanis was joking with his wos townread so that makes him scum? + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but (1) the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, (2)the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and (3)the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Enumeration mine. ~~~ Here is some later, slightly different reasoning behind the Haru lynch. 1 "deflecting" lol. Later he expands with this: Awkward phrasing is a scummy reason to scumread someone. 2 and 3 are exactly the same point pretty much. Haru only wrote the list because he was bugged about it, and kind of as a joke because he said he hated lists. So that is a misrepresentation. ~~~ This is not an excuse town artanis would make. It's not like he didn't have time to play either. Twice he mentioned how we are bad at banter. He had time to banter but didn't have time to scumhunt? Showdown Mafia (Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2014 13:16 kushm4sta wrote: um i'd rather do it the other way around because it's easier yamato77 sinani206 fuba MysteryMeat1 Damdred pick from that list. As for why, I've already gone into why I think damdred is scummy. Everyone else is inactive so there aren't really reasons apart from that why they could be scum. That would be the last two towngames from the database. You do not give reads during the night kush? Can you point me out to a game where you in fact do NOT give reads during the night as town? | ||
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Every fucking townie "knows" one of the claims is scum because THAT'S HOW IT IS!!!! Why is voting for the more unreasonable claim scummy but not voting not scummy as you are saying (regarding geript, kush and CR)? You are turning the situation upside town. Assuming you are town you should SUSPECT the people who doubted there is mafia in you/Hopeless. Not the people who say "lol this claim is way more scummier and one of the dudes is mafia anyways". I still can't understand why you would even remotely think mafia!Hopeless would shoot prime!DP ever on N1. There is literally zero reason to do so, if Hopeless was mafia they would NEVER EVER shoot DP because DP is the ONLY backup lynch for them if someone claims a power role (which mafia cannot know exists / not). That seems to be the ONLY purpose for your fakeclaim, and the reason is retarded. You also had the MOST reason to shoot DarthPunk on N1. That is a fact and it definitely does not make you look any better. And this: 3) Why is sqrt's post @ D2 start good? Show me the good things about that post because i think it's terrible and contradicting itself. | ||
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So you think Damdred is mafai even though he shares your other scumreads? Like is he bussing his whole team? | ||
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At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads.... | ||
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Okay let's go through your case on Damdred. This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. (i'll call this point X) So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum: A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched. C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name D) He has been overly defensive. X) This is simply just not true. A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it. B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on). C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so. D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive? All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong. | ||
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On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote: I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!! | ||
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This game is much more similar to his town game. He actually has a thought process that can be followed throughout the game and it follows some line of logic (regardless of if it's good or bad). Whereas mafia he focuses on things here and there and his play is all over the place (i am talking about D1's in those games -- because you can't compare D1 from some game and D5 from some other game, that's just retarded). | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote: What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons. So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other? | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote: What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons. So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other with "equally shitty cases"? Isn't that pretty retarded thing to do as mafia? | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote: So wait what happened to lynching one of gb or hopeless? Refrain from yelling at me because there will be more content later tonight. GlowingBear unclaimed and Hopeless is and has always been town since his claim. Why did you vote for Hopeless and whatcha gonna do now? Also answer me on this: On October 15 2014 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: kushmasta: World Heavyweight Championship mafia III (Town Vanilla Killed Night 1): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2014 07:45 kushm4sta wrote: Artanis/Onegu Not gonna put a lot of effort into this one cause I can't really be bothered to. K so let's look at the reasons behind each of these scumreads. Vivax and poofter are scum because he doesn't know how they are reading him. Know who cares how people read them? scum. Overall bad reasons with no specifics. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Here's his case on haru. 3 neatly laid out reasons, all of them bad and easy for scum to make. The second is especially bad. Haru didn't realize artanis was joking with his wos townread so that makes him scum? + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but (1) the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, (2)the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and (3)the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Enumeration mine. ~~~ Here is some later, slightly different reasoning behind the Haru lynch. 1 "deflecting" lol. Later he expands with this: Awkward phrasing is a scummy reason to scumread someone. 2 and 3 are exactly the same point pretty much. Haru only wrote the list because he was bugged about it, and kind of as a joke because he said he hated lists. So that is a misrepresentation. ~~~ This is not an excuse town artanis would make. It's not like he didn't have time to play either. Twice he mentioned how we are bad at banter. He had time to banter but didn't have time to scumhunt? Showdown Mafia (Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2014 13:16 kushm4sta wrote: um i'd rather do it the other way around because it's easier yamato77 sinani206 fuba MysteryMeat1 Damdred pick from that list. As for why, I've already gone into why I think damdred is scummy. Everyone else is inactive so there aren't really reasons apart from that why they could be scum. That would be the last two towngames from the database. You do not give reads during the night kush? Can you point me out to a game where you in fact do NOT give reads during the night as town? Why did you lie to me on N1? | ||
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Ignore your claim/unclaim thing because i don't think you can gather any alignment indicative things from that as people calling out scummy stuff cannot possibly be scummy..... | ||
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On October 16 2014 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn why aren't you voting for geript? We had a moment last night where the stars aligned and you saw what I saw with regard to geript. You've spent all of today doing everything BUT vote for geript. WHY?!?!?!? I am trying to figure out other people aswell. Don't worry, geript still my top 2 mafia. | ||
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On October 17 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: WE ARE KILLING GERIPT TODAY SHUT UP! SHUT UP GB WE ARE KILLING GERIPT! TODAY! +1 | ||
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On October 17 2014 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. I'm keeping on sqrt because geript will already be munched anyway. What kind of reasoning is this? | ||
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On October 17 2014 06:14 Alakaslam wrote: You scumread my spot, perfect ATTAX me and I will defense myself So what's the point of this post when you haven't even got a clue what's been going on in the game? How am i supposed to "attack you" when (1) you are not ritoky and (2) therefore i can't possibly attack you for the stuff he has done because you can't, regardless of your affiliation know why he did that stuff?? | ||
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If slam is rown he needs to towntell the shit out of this game before i die because noone else can read him. I think kush is most likely to be mafia. He just doesn't care to play. Sqrt might be scum but i don't like a few things: (1) people pushing him. CR is a high volume lurker who is capable of posting well as mafia. As in making good posts on objectively scummy people. He isn't interacting with the game at all other than his cases on sqrt and dropping votes EOD. GB i would lynch the shit out of in a normal game because the dude is MAKING NO SENSE AND DOING SCUMMY SHIT!!! so yeah. I don't trust those people's reads becausd they are not playing vry well if they are town. Never ever lynch ve, hopeless and damdred. It's a shame if äevrn one of thosse guys is mafia but everyone else looks fucking terrible compared to them. It's also a shame this game was/is shit becaune noone is fuckinc playing. There was a feason i originally didn't want to join the game and now i regret my decision to replace in as this is a waste of my time.... | ||
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(2) kush and ritoky are scummier than him based on their contributions or lack of them. | ||
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Lynch kush D3. He is not plqying the game and scum!kush doesn't play. I think it's your best chance to solve the game. If kush is town then fuck this game. When kush flips mafia it's 90% sure sqrt is gown. Kush defended him at the start of the game and he is incapable of defending his scumbuddies. Then you have 24h to figure out which one of GB /CR is mafia. One of them is town. Ritoky slot is 98% the other scum. But kush first. He is 99,9% scum. All the lynches have been pushed by town so scum didn't have to do anything but to sit back... Please VE trust me on this!!! Hopeless and Damdred are not going to be mafia. When kush flips mafia revisit DP's argument on GB @ N1. Also reread my argument on him on D1. I don't know if i was wronc or right but please, read those things because kush = mafia -》 sqrt is probably not -> gb or cr is scum. | ||
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Kush is mafia and sqrt is not mafia with him. Do you have reading comprehension issues? | ||
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VE, Damdred and Hopeless you guys NEED to vote together. Otherwise we do lose. Kill kush. Kill kush so very hard and in so many fires. VE you know kush. There is no chance he is going go be town. Then kill ritoky/slam. Then figure out the last mafia. You absolutely need to vote together!!! Then sqrt is going to be town. It means one of gb cr is mafia: - points against GB: D1 case from me. I don't know how valid it is anymore but reread it and figure out if i am right or wrong. DP's n1 and him dying. He if he made too much sense. Gb only pushing cases at the eod. Except for now. His response to my case on ritoky and him ignoring it multiple times. His conclusions from the fakeclaim shit. I've talked about it all. - points against cr: Lurking until deadlines and not participating into any discussions at all. Also read how ritoky treated those guys. You might find answers there. Sqrt you must vote with the people i just talked to. Otherwise you are mafia. That's the best i can give you guys. Don't fuck up. Please. | ||
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Did any of the townies think ve is scum on the final day? | ||
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On October 20 2014 16:49 ritoky wrote: Sorry for the crappy play and the sudden sub, there was a death in my family. I hope people understand. My condolances. Try to hang on man. | ||
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The game was actually solvable had one moro townie just realized the obvious voted for kush. | ||
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Damdred looked terrible for sheeping my wrong reads all game and when i got shot and accused kush suddenly no shewp any more in MYLO.... He should have been obv-next lynch after kush. | ||
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On October 20 2014 22:18 Damdred wrote: Rayn told everyone just follow VE damdred and hopeless! the advice led to victory I told everyone to lynch kush. You would have looked horrible if townies used their brain. It's hard to scumread you/hopeless when everyine except ve was so goddamn scummy. Altgough imo you played well. I read you town by your actions. Hopeless gambled and won, then there was "no room" for him to be mafia in my world. | ||
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On October 20 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote: You also wanted to kill geript and you were the only one reading damdred as town the whole game with a lot of certainty. I was the only active town at LYLO that was trying to still solve the game. Then I realised nobody was playing, so I just fucked off too Well you pushed a townie all game long so... I am not blaming anyone for reading people wrong, Especially you, since the game was near impossble to solve because of inactivity. But you gotta understand if you read VE town and he refuses to vote for your lynch you are gonna 100% lose if you don't vote for his because of LYLO... Mafia WILL consolidate anyways if they win... That i think was the biggest mistake for the town. If you are on sqrt and think ecen one player on kush is town you NEED to vote for him. You just need to.... | ||
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