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On September 23 2014 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: YOU EPIC McCoolname What you McCoolname upon us 4 Er.. "Yes". | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:26 Holyflare wrote:as a general rule don't edit your posts ever ever ever the vote on me is just a joke vote Ah, okay. Was just edited for spelling. Will keep that in mind. | ||
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If you're going to ask me what I think, I'm a little suspicious of Holy, Hopeless and Haru right now. As GB has stated, HF and Hopeless are playing a little weird and two of them outright claimed to be Town from the start (I'm always suspicious of people who are over-eager to tell everyone that they're good). | ||
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On September 25 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote: Riddle me this good sir. What suspicion did I need to deflect and how would I go about doing that with 3 names of people that hadn't even spoken yet? In my experience, bad guys have stated names right at the very start to divert peoples attention elsewhere. I'm not saying that you're bad, I'm just saying that I'm cautious of anyone who throws names around during the early part of the game.  | ||
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On September 25 2014 09:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is actually a really weird post. It looks like you're trying to make HF look suspicious without actually pressuring him or putting yourself in the spotlight. Are you afraid of engaging him or what are you doing, exactly? I'm not trying to make him look suspicious to everyone, I'm just saying that he looks suspicious to me (More so than everyone else) based on my own experience. Would I vote to lynch him over it? No. It just stood out as I read the first hour unfold, that's all. | ||
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On September 25 2014 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote: True enough. Are you from the 2p2 site people spoke of before the game started, SkyDragon? Nah, I'm from another site (SK) where this game was played frequently with 20-25 players per game (Not as many people playing anymore though). It feels different playing here but I'm also happy to be here and be playing with you guys. On SK, claiming you're good or throwing accusations around early on got you lynched on the first day (Hence my earlier remarks) but people see these things differently here so I'm still trying to adjust. It's a little difficult because I've never played with any of you guys before so have a hard time reading all of you but time and experience will change that. Hopefully I'm a pro by the end of this game, haha | ||
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On September 25 2014 11:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ugh, this SkyDragon guy is making me super fucking paranoid. Who puts so much emphasis on their newness besides mafia? Posts like that are going to make sure nobody listens to you. I'm just being honest, mate. Didn't realize that it would make you paranoid, lol. The truth of the matter is that I'm leaning on you being more Town than most others because of the paranoia. I mean, what Mafia member goes crazy paranoid over what alignment someone may have? You could be feigning the paranoia but I don't think so. | ||
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On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK. "His" is correct. :p d1 claimers got lynched depending on what they were saying. - If they claimed to be Town with nothing to back it up, they were seen as suspicious and people would vote to lynch them if their play-style doesn't match. - Throwing out names on the first day was seen as suspicious. - Feigning ignorance of a particular role was suspicious unless he weren't very bright in the first place (As one guy did when he asked the Mod in the thread whether getting no pm means that you're a Villager - We straight away knew that he was trying it, lynched him and he turned out to be Mafia) - Changing votes repeatedly was seen as suspicious. - Normally active players who become quiet were seen as suspicious. There's no one answer to fit all situations really. There were also power roles so someone may have been saying something considered "weird" because they were the Seer, Doctor, Vigi or some other good role (And the last thing you want to do is get them lynched). There would be some hesitation to vote to lynch anyone on Day 1 but sometimes something is said that just doesn't feel right to several people. | ||
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On September 25 2014 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know how people play on the site you are from but this post is the epitome of awful. Since you claim to actually have experience with this kind of setup please enlighten me how the seer of all people is supposed to do his job day fucking 1. How can he lead us to a scumlynch better than anyone else if all he has at this point is a green check? How is he supposed to do that without claiming anyways? Like what? So again - this guy has played this game already. But he is pretending to know nothing at all about it. What gives? It's quite apparent that you're unable to read properly since I've repeatedly said that I'm new to these forums but played Mafia in another forums. I know how the game works but the only problem is playing with people who I've never played with before so it's hard to immediately discern whether they are playing out of character, "weird" or normally. It's really not that hard to understand, lol. Can people stop going on about this and just play the game? | ||
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On September 26 2014 01:47 Killing wrote: The ending is what mafia says a lot. You could be fooling me but I think i'm right. Yeah I think he's mafia. Also his post a few above mine with just those objective bullet points. Me saying that Mafia wouldn't get paranoid over who actually is Mafia (Because they don't care and just want all non-Mafia lynched) makes me suspicious? Lol, do some people even read what they're typing before they click "Post".. | ||
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Let's move on.. | ||
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Holyflare - I initially thought he was bad but he put a lot of effort into trying to make Haru look bad from the start using what I thought was decent evidence (Until the blue vt stuff came about). I don't see scum trying so hard to make anyone look bad right at the start (I mean, why expose yourself in such a big way?). Threw a lot of names about but don't think he's scum. batsnacks - Asks some stuff about Seer role and then effectively disappears from the thread. Fecalfeast - Not sure. On the one side, I agree with a lot of what he says. On the other, he seems to be trying to stay neutral but not sure whether he normally plays like this or it's because he's hiding something. Hopeless1der - Seems to be saying a fair bit but nothing of note. Not sure about him.. Palmer - Disappeared, then reappeared when people started questioning it. I don't think he's scum though but his lack of interaction earlier does make me a little suspicious of him. HaruRH - Suspicious of her at the start but now, not so much. I believe her story about the 'blue/green vt' stuff but saying that she won't be active could just be a ruse so she can slide into the shadows while we all kill ourselves off. ObiWan - Not saying much at all. Hard to get any reading from this guy and just seems to complain about things. I don't know what to think with ObiWan because on the one hand, I think he is less suspicious than others over the paranoia remark, but he's quiet as hell and that always makes me suspicious of people as well. Superbia - Very quiet and has barely said anything. Can't get a reading either way but may be trying to hide because he's scum. GB - Throwing a lot of accusations around. Not sure if that's a bad thing but it's getting people talking so it's having a positive effect. Might not be scum but time will tell. StorrZerg - Something feels off about this guy to me. Immediately started pointing fingers and being aggressive but not sure if he normally plays this way. Implied Haru/ObiWan are Town even though Obi in particular hadn't said much at all at that stage. In my opinion, there's a slightly higher chance that either Storr or Obi are scum, or both could be. This is entirely based on what Storr has said to date. justanothertownie - I'm 50/50 with him. Seems a tad aggressive but don't see any particular alignment indications to sway my opinion one way or the other. Killing - 50/50 on this guy as well. Who I've thought of as Town, he thinks of as Mafia. Hasn't posted much else except a reading. Seems awfully sure that Storr is Town.. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:09 Palmar wrote: is skydragon not mafia newbie, just this site newbie? Just a site newb. Terms like "smurf's", "blue vt", "green vt", "qt" and a whole host of others just threw me way the hell off when this game started. Didn't know what to say, lol. | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:20 Superbia wrote: Sky's read on Hopeless reinforces what I'm thinking right now. Like he has something to say about pretty much everyone's alignment (no matter how wishy-washy) besides hopeless and bats. Game solved? What do you mean "Game solved"? I don't trust anybody on the first day so I'm suspicious of everyone until more information comes to light during later days. I actually was going to put you in place of Hopeless there because of your lack of interaction over the last 24 hours but Hopeless seems more suspicious somehow. | ||
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With that said, you're in 4th place for me. You haven't really spoken in the thread but then bring out a list and start throwing opinions and accusations around. In my experience, scum sits in the shadows and then starts flinging opinions and orders about later on in the day to try and sway votes. The fact that you gave Storr a "daypass" makes me immediately more suspicious of you considering that he's been saying strange things from his very first post in this thread. I'd like to know why you think Storr isn't scum this game? (Even though he seems to, in your eyes, play in a particular way in previous games) | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:43 Superbia wrote: Why would I even consider Storr today if I feel I can easily read him during later days? Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch? Yeah, I'd be willing to take a gamble on him. I'd rather go for Storr though. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:18 batsnacks wrote: Also this post is really scummy: It's a long post filled with info that makes zero conclusions about anything. Perfect mafia post. If I'm not voting GB today I'm voting skydragon. I'm finding a lot of this very disconcerting because I keep having to repeat myself. Bat, what do those comments have to do with this game? People have asked me questions (Off-topic questions as part of a separate conversation, but questions) and I have replied to them. Those replies are completely independent to the game and should not be used within the game. They are clearly a separate conversation (I thought that was obvious) and I just cannot fathom why people keep quoting them as if it somehow has any bearing or relevance to someone's alignment or what's happening in the game. Did you even read what that was in response to? | ||
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Convince me that you are not scum then? Why are you avoiding the issue? | ||
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And did you really just say that I have to convince myself that you're not scum? And how would I be able to do that? Please enlighten me. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:50 batsnacks wrote: You are definitely trying to distance yourself from your bad reads. What bad reads? No-one is confirmed Town right now so there are no bad reads. Everyone's effectively guessing for the most part. We could all be talking bs at this stage. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:53 batsnacks wrote:I guess you can't convince yourself I'm not scum if you're scum. Sorry I should have considered that. I mean wolf. You haven't said anything worthwhile. Just deflected, deflected and deflected. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:55 StorrZerg wrote: yep all ready confirmed right here. Self-confirmation doesn't make it so. In that case, I'm confirmed Town as well. Because I said so. | ||
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On September 26 2014 08:56 StorrZerg wrote: YOU CAN"T AVOID ME FOREVER ##VOTE SKYDRAGON YES I CAN! | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Why? Your main read on Storr was that he was aggressive (correct me if I'm wrong here), which he still very much is. That's true. I was making my reply to him (Thoroughly checking his comments) but noticed that he generally became less aggressive as the game has continued. My main issues with him still are that - He confirmed himself and insisted that he was Town in his very first post - He started pointing fingers at FF and GB within minutes of his first post - He stated that ObiWan was probably Town, even though the guy had barely said anything of relevance at that stage | ||
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On September 26 2014 09:33 GlowingBear wrote: The problem is not pointing fingers at me and FF. it is how he made it. Agreed. I just simplified it. What I meant was what excuses/quotes he used to argue that you and FF were bad. | ||
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Reasonably likely. This is why I hate Day 1 - It's all just words to work off of. Different people use different cues when determining whether someone looks suspicious. A person may look suspicious to one person, but look Town to another. Until Day 2 arrives, it's mostly just guesswork that could all be wrong because everyone has a different playing style. | ||
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Bats made an unexpected appearance but the original three names that I stated were the people I wanted a confrontation with had he not decided to comment. Doesn't matter much now anyway. All I know is that I'm going to stay quiet from next game, whether I'm Town or Mafia. | ||
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Yeah, I think that's the problem and that's what I've been saying for a while now whereby I'm at a disadvantage. When you play with a group of people for a length of time, you get used to the way they play. I've never played with you guys, and you've never played with me. Hence, your playing styles feel alien to me and my one looks odd to you. I guess I shouldn't have taken such a large step forward at this stage but what's done is done. "It is far far far better at this stage of the game for you to be honest and open and point out things you dislike rather than try and work things out like you are implying you are doing." I'll keep that in mind. "If so then why on earth did you not post it in favour of chasing up some silly pressure vote?" Because Bats implied I was scum using a quote that was a response to a question that didn't really have anything to do with the game. I decided to go on the offensive, lol. He doesn't talk much anyway so I thought I'd grill him a little. I'm going to take Storr's advice and go to sleep (3am here in the UK). I've been sitting here for hours now.. | ||
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Just reading through the last 11-12 pages now. | ||
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On September 25 2014 09:11 StorrZerg wrote: sick i love being confirmed town. lets lynch some scum I always find such things odd, as if you're trying to paint yourself in a positive light so people are more open to any suggestions that you may have. HF did that as well, and so did Hopeless. However, I backed off from HF simply because of his evidence against Haru and I just don't see scum trying so hard at such an early stage of the game to convince people that anyone is scum and exposing themselves like that. Within minutes, he was pointing fingers and outright accusing others of being scum. On September 25 2014 09:20 StorrZerg wrote: i'd lynch fecal for the donkey entrance to the game. the overly troll attitude fecal has with the caps locks, and insta vote on holy is really throwing off scum vibes. Deff would lynch. "yeah right" Also i don't like the GB entrance to the game unless im missing a game he just played, last game he was scum. seems odd to lead with a lie. He accused FF of having an "overly troll attitude", voting HF (A joke vote which he should've known about if he is as smart as people say he is) and "throwing off scum vibes". He also doubted FF's sincerity for putting a joke vote on HF, but gave ObiWan a free pass (Who hadn't even said much at all), which seems contradictory. According to what criteria was he "throwing off scum vibes"? Storr's? It just didn't sit easy with me. The GB statement, I don't have a problem with. It made me a little suspicious of him as well but I think he's Town and he has the right intentions whereby he really is trying to force people to talk so we can all read people a little better. Storr then reinforces his positive image by saying that he is Town again. On September 25 2014 10:09 StorrZerg wrote: on the contrary, maybe you have. I'm pleased to be town. Then he said that Obi is probably Town On September 25 2014 10:11 StorrZerg wrote: obi probably town too. Based on what? All Obi had said up to that point was On September 25 2014 08:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Sup nerds? On September 25 2014 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not afaik. I don't understand your case. On September 25 2014 09:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Your case. If one could even call it that. On September 25 2014 09:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fair enough, GB. On September 25 2014 09:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is actually a really weird post. It looks like you're trying to make HF look suspicious without actually pressuring him or putting yourself in the spotlight. Are you afraid of engaging him or what are you doing, exactly? On September 25 2014 09:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Assuming he's good enough to read anyone. On September 25 2014 10:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: <3 I just don't see how anyone could have come to that conclusion so easily when he's barely said anything worthwhile. I also found it odd how he was so willing to believe that Haru was Town as well based on the evidence that she presented. I don't see why anyone would get excited about being Green vt just because they've been Blue vt previously. I'm not saying she's scum but Storr believed her a bit too quickly for my liking. He also became cosy with him/her rather quickly, even promising to stop them from being lynched: On September 26 2014 00:03 StorrZerg wrote: its cool Haru ill make sure you are not miss lynched today I don't know. All of this doesn't feel right somehow. We all have equal odds at this stage because it's all words and speculation, but saying such things makes it seem as though he already has some sort of connection with her to be saying such things. Who becomes so close to someone on Day 1 that they're promising to stop them getting lynched? I just find it really weird. And again, he seems to be trying really hard to come across as Town On September 26 2014 02:22 StorrZerg wrote: Well, i'm happy you are on the same page as me Killing, and regardless of your alignment you have practically confirmed me as town so that's fantastic. On September 26 2014 08:59 StorrZerg wrote: see it only works if you truly believe. its like magic, you got none. no belief no swag. #wrecked "It only works if you truly believe"? Wtf does that mean? You're either Town or you're not. Does that mean that you're scum? Playing completely like you're Town, as if you've been given a Town card and you won't let any scum thoughts enter your mind even though you're scum? In essence, you've been given the scum card but 'you truly believe that you're Town so you're Town'? Just doesn't sit right with me at all. I've thought Storr has been pretty suspicious to varying degrees over the last 48 hours anyway. He may have 'lightened up' for a brief period yesterday (Hence why I said he was less suspicious) but overall, I still think he's more likely than everyone else to be scum. | ||
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On September 27 2014 03:34 StorrZerg wrote: See you don't believe, hence you could never understand. So 0 point of you speculating on how i can do this. Or even why its relevant to the game at this point (besides me being confirmed town) Well.. That didn't explain anything at all. And there you go again confirming yourself as Town as if that somehow magically makes people believe it. | ||
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Also, you admit that both sides could use that excuse, but Haru is Town because.. Well, just because you say he/she is. Of course, there's also the fact that things apparently just flowed "naturally" out of Haru when he/she admitted to being blue/green vt (According to you) and now you're willing to protect him/her against anything and everything now. Nice logic there. Flawed and something that I'd never, ever do because it just does not make sense. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:41 Palmar wrote: Another friendly reminder (possibly my last, I'm going out) that hopeless is a great lynch. Superbia is probably not mafia. Yeah, I have to say that I'm leaning that way too. | ||
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I'm not trumping up anything that I haven't already said before. | ||
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On September 27 2014 05:24 StorrZerg wrote: @palmar you have been asked before to read Skydragon. why have you avoided him... he is a gold mine of false promises and contradictions. Hell his active pushing right now is almost as if someone told him how to do something. Bolded for what follows: On September 26 2014 10:37 StorrZerg wrote: seriously sky. just take a step back, away for an hour. Come back, respond to things on page 26 and back. Then read page 26 and forward. respond. then you are allowed to get frustrated. On September 26 2014 08:56 StorrZerg wrote: YOU CAN"T AVOID ME FOREVER ##VOTE SKYDRAGON On September 26 2014 08:54 StorrZerg wrote: bat stop being a distracting woman with bare breasts. cover those knockers out so he can focus on something he has planned to do, and is failing to do. On September 26 2014 08:51 StorrZerg wrote: easy stop being distracted and press your case on me On September 26 2014 08:49 StorrZerg wrote: next time ignore it and finish your post.. | ||
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On September 27 2014 07:06 Holyflare wrote: You keep asking this and nobody has really posted but things that you state are "off topic" don't really exist in TL. If you spend the majority of your time talking about setup, what your other site does and not game related stuff it makes you look like you are appearing to contribute but none of that is really analytical and people will scum read you for it. JAT is saying you've done the same thing there by talking about what town and mafia can do in a certain situation. You are talking about more strategy but not game content. Ah, I see now. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not used to analyzing what people say and, as you said, prefer strategy to win the game rather than bothering to push people. It's one reason why I;m here - so I can see how you guys play and maybe learn a thing or two. I'll try and analyze things more. | ||
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Still reading but I'll give some input once I've caught up. | ||
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- Me, GB and Palmar were scum - GB turned out to be Town - I know I'm Town In my view, Palmar is probably Town as well then because Killing has talked rubbish from his very first post by making silly conclusions based on flimsy evidence. | ||
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That made me smile. Thanks. | ||
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Killing claims to be Seer and calls Bats Green. Also says that he has a Red Check. Now, I'm not familiar with this strange terminology but I'm assuming that he means he knows who one Wolf is. So who is it? And why are you dodging the issue? Also, why on Earth would a Seer reveal themselves as Seer at this stage unless they're retarded or Mafia? | ||
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- Killing really is Seer, really did see Bats as Green and really does know who one Wolf is. - Killing isn't Seer and is just goofing around - Killing is Mafia and trying to get the real Seer to reveal themselves 1. If Killing really is the Seer, then it was a terrible move by him since Mafia will just kill him tonight. Why even bother to reveal when you only know who one Wolf is? And why keep that one Wolf secret when we could all give valid input on who all 3 members are? It just doesn't make sense at all and I think he's lying. 2. If Killing is goofing around, what is the point? Why risk getting killed off by Mafia? No information would be extracted from doing something like this. 3. Pretending to be Seer and pointing random fingers could possibly get the real Seer to reveal themselves. If nothing else, the Seer would probably spy Killing tonight, confirm he's Wolf and try and make an attempt to disseminate that information to the rest of us tomorrow. Personally, I'm strongly leaning in favor of 3. If he really is a Wolf, that limits the potential number of other Wolves because he has raised suspicion or tried lynching a number of people so far: - FecalFeast - SkyDragon - Batsnacks - Palmar - JAT - HF HaruRH voted to lynch Killing earlier so I'm going to assume that he/she's not Mafia. That leaves: - Storr - Killing - Obi - Superbia I don't know if my analysis is correct, but I believe the 3 Mafia members to be in the group of Storr, Killing, Obi and/or Superbia. | ||
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But go ahead and lynch me. I've only ever given GB a somewhat free pass whilst saying that I'm suspicious of everyone else (GB, who turned out to be a Villager when most people insisted that he was scum) - If that makes me scum, then whatever. Just goes to show that almost everyone's readings and analysis in this game is garbage. | ||
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On September 28 2014 22:08 Holyflare wrote: and if storr turns out to be town then are you willing to admit your analysis is also garbage??? Of course! I'm not some person who thinks his analysis is perfect or anything. I'm just getting a little annoyed that Hopeless, a Villager, got lynched on d1 (Because it turned out most of us were wrong) then GB was also killed off (Another Villager). That leaves 8 Town and 3 Mafia. Lynch me, Mafia kills another tonight and that leaves 6 Town and 3 Mafia at start of d3. It's hard not to get a little frustrated. Pretty much gg by d4. | ||
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On d1, he knew that Hopeless is Villager, and his posts seem to tally up with that since he defends Hopeless and calls him Town at every opportunity. He also puts him in the 'Town Circle'. On September 26 2014 08:21 Killing wrote: Yolo read off of one post, although I like what else he has said. He's my weakest town atm but at least when I read his posts I thought he was town. On September 26 2014 23:26 Killing wrote: -PALMAR FUCKING MAD THAT HIS TEAM IS LOSING SO HE'S TRYING TO MAKE A CASE ON HOPELESS. I also think he's mad that my town circle is god tier amazing so he's trying to lynch me. When I roll town, I just assume everything I'm doing is right so when people go against me, I'm always highly suspicious that I'm just about to truck mafia and they are getting mad at about it. -I don't know if you guys get mad when vts tell the seer who they think they should check but I think palmar is a really great check. He had unsubstantiated reads at the start of the day who ended up being scum read and then he backed off of them and I believe that now he's trying to start a BW onto hopeless when his partners are under fire. Other than that, I also think GB would be a good check. A lot of people are trying to kill him ( including myself), if he flips mafia then good stuff and if he flips town, I think that's also good info. IN B4 PALMAR STARTS YELLING AT ME great stuff can't wait Updated Reads: Town -Storr -HF -Haru -Obi -SuperBia -Hopeless (u mad palmar??????) On September 27 2014 05:18 Killing wrote: I don't correlate activity with alignment. If someone makes 3 posts and I find the posts townie, I call them town. I believe hopeless is town. In response to the vote train on Hopeless and he probably didn't want to make it obvious that he was Seer. On September 27 2014 09:51 Killing wrote: HOPELESS BW IS FUCKING BAD PLEASE ALL OFF On September 27 2014 09:57 Killing wrote: But for serious, this is a shit vote At this stage, Hopeless was lynched and Killing had already spied on Bats to confirm him as Villager: On September 28 2014 00:46 Killing wrote: Me and snatbacks vs the world I think he just started getting irritated with the accusations of being scum: On September 28 2014 05:39 Killing wrote: Can you confirm your only reason you think I'm scum is "You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town" On September 28 2014 05:45 Killing wrote: Meh probably shoulda tried harder but it was pretty impossible so I didn't bother. That's still a terrible reason for scum reading me. So in the heat of the moment, claimed Seer to put an end to the debate. On September 28 2014 05:47 Killing wrote: GONNA BE A PRETTY FUCKING BAD REASON WHEN I CLAIM SEER On September 28 2014 05:52 Killing wrote: I'm claiming. I have a red check, I just wanted to see if I could kill the person today without outing but it seems it's a no go. I think the team is: SkyDragon, Red Check and a random third. Still think it was a terrible move on his part. The lie about a Red Check made it look even worse for him. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can also see this wagon happening. HF/others have already pointed out a bunch of problem posts, but another thing I didn't like about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?page=66#1305 He drops a bunch of names based on GB's raising suspicion of people (ie nonreasons), and follows it up with generic advice like "if Killing claimed Seer, here are some reasons why he would have claimed Seer." It's an inherently blendy post and it stinks. If you had read that comment properly, you'd have noticed that those people are only suspects were Killing actually Mafia. | ||
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On September 28 2014 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, but I would like to know who you would vote right now. Musing about Killing and/or his alignment is not productive right now. Well, if you really want to know, just from seeing your filter, I'd vote for you to be lynched. All you've done since the start of d1 is whine, complain and point fingers at others. You haven't really contributed anything at all but have talked enough to make it appear as if you have. Neither have you pushed anyone yourself except those who are being pushed by someone else anyway (You seem more than happy to jump on the bandwagon) and haven't said anything original at all. I'm starting to think that you're scum. | ||
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To other Townies (This isn't directed at the clueless ones voting to lynch me), make sure you look at who jumped on the "SkyDragon lynch" train. Not necessarily who started the train (Because it could've been clueless Townies starting it) but those who jumped on board and made it seem as though they agree with the reasons. After all, Mafia has no reason to start vote trains on anyone and expose themselves like that. - JAT hasn't really done much all game in my view - Storr has been suspicious to me since the start of the game - Obi hasn't really done much either and what I said about JAT in a previous post about an hour or two ago, you can probably apply to this guy as well - Just can't seem to accept Haru's excuse for the blue/green Villager stuff. I thought I had but I haven't. JAT, Storr, Obi and Haru would be the ones I'd keep my eyes on. | ||
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On September 29 2014 04:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you explain, other than "I don't like these guys." I'm still hung up on several things, like the fact that you called me scum when Storr called me town really really early in the game. Storr called you Town after you said a few one-line comments. Barely anything could be gleaned from them but he thought he could see things better than others for some strange reason. On September 25 2014 11:40 StorrZerg wrote: 1 donkey read 2 just cause you ask to be town doesn't mean you get to be town. everyone has the same odds. as for your statement, holy clarified that. and i've moved passed that. no reason to pretend when you are confirmed town. [b]Just cause you don't see anything alignment indicative, doesn't mean i'm not getting something out of their posts. [b/] How anyone can conclude that Obi is Town from a few replies that didn't say anything remotely useful is beyond me. | ||
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On September 29 2014 04:30 Superbia wrote: I don't think GB ever pushed on me? iirc he liked some of the things HF said about me but that's it. I think looking at who he wanted to lynch is a little too much WIFOM and won't give us any definitive information. It's more likely that scum thought he was cop. This topic is probably a waste of time imo. He was pointing fingers at 2-3 people in particular. It could be that he had all Mafia members spot on so Mafia killed him, then lead the discussion away from those accusations. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:03 justanothertownie wrote: Let's see. I was the first one to really push you as far as I remember and I did so for nearly all day1. I only changed to Hopeless because HF made a pretty convincing argument about that guy. I was the one pushing hard for Killing today. I am one of the people pushing hard to lynch you now. Yeah, sure I haven't done much. Now die. Nothing you stated there wasn't being done anyway. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:25 Palmar wrote: Everyone seems to agree sky is mafia ergo, he probably isn't. The first reasonably intelligent post today in relation to my bs mislynch. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:33 batsnacks wrote: SkyDragon ffs vote someone you are making yourself a really easy mislynch if you're town. Last time I voted, everyone went crazy and called me scummy over it so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little more cautious this time. Also, it gives me a chance to read everyone's posts first before voting according to my gut instinct. Which I have done. Voted for JAT. | ||
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Good luck. | ||
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If I've learned anything from this game, it's that I know exactly whose readings to ignore in the future (Provided they end the game as confirmed Town). If they're Mafia, I'll be commending them for the stress they put me through. | ||
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When I get home, I'm going to analyse some things. | ||
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Go right ahead. Nothing wrong with adding one more mistake to your list of failures. | ||
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On September 29 2014 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: Storr has most definitely not tried to lynch you. Feel free to elaborate on your great read. So, he never tried lynching me but only didn't try lynching me yesterday when he was absent anyway, but wanted to and would've if he had the chance to? Are you even listening to yourself? | ||
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On September 25 2014 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: I don't like SkyDragon. Constantly claiming he is new BUT has played before. And then he posts things like this: I don't know how people play on the site you are from but this post is the epitome of awful. Since you claim to actually have experience with this kind of setup please enlighten me how the seer of all people is supposed to do his job day fucking 1. How can he lead us to a scumlynch better than anyone else if all he has at this point is a green check? How is he supposed to do that without claiming anyways? Like what? What should we do instead of throwing names around? Just chill and do nothing? So again - this guy has played this game already. But he is pretending to know nothing at all about it. What gives? Instead of finding out exactly what was meant by the above comments and trying to work with someone from the very start instead he attacks the position the person is coming from and effectively negates any impact that person can have. This is a sign of mafia because he's not trying to understand but to discredit the person involved in the conversation. On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote: Did I say that? But you are threating it like a scumtell and it for sure isn't. On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote: But hey, feel free to elaborate on that. More discrediting and not trying to understand just attacking for no reason. On September 26 2014 03:11 justanothertownie wrote: I still dislike Sky and I think that should be pretty obvious. It's way too early for an opinion on Palmar. On September 26 2014 05:21 justanothertownie wrote: Sounds good. You could provide some reads instead. On September 26 2014 15:34 justanothertownie wrote: Sky at least puts in a good amount of effort now but if you read his posts there are so many contradictions/things that don't make sense. Still don't like him. On September 26 2014 15:36 justanothertownie wrote: GB seems afraid/really defensive - might be scum. Reminds me of the scum qt from Fanfic where he was really really afraid I would vig him. I will elaborate on those reads when I have time in a few hours. Would probably still lynch Sky. On September 26 2014 20:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I also don't get townvibes from Hopeless filter. I guess if GB is town Hopeless looks quite shady but I really have doubts about that. This is mostly from his second and first pages of filter. He tells people to give reads, but never gives any reads himself besides "this person might be scum" or that he doesn't like me because of apparent contradictions that he does not even point out at the time. He says that he pushed me d1, but look at the filter he soft pushed at best. This seems to me like a way mafia would try to push a mislynch so that a townie would take it up and run with it. The way he talks about everyone else he interacts with is mostly painting them in a scummy light. Also I found the mafia database and compared some of JATs games, and I did find him to be pointed in his questions and his driving discussion if you look at him in some of his more recent games like Fanfiction and The Guilty Mafia, he really drove discussion and pushed people he thought were scummy. In the fanfic, he really thought Damdred was scummy after a small slip and he did not let up on him he hard pushed him and the thread to vote for him or tried to always bring it up. He is not doing this here. At best, he is just offhandedly soft pushing lynches right now, "oh I do not like this guy" "oh you might be scummy". Now if you compare it to heavy weight championship, you see the same sort of play, JAT is mafia. And if you look at his later filter, it is more of the same and mirrors heavy weight very well and with my other conclusions. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:20 Superbia wrote: Posted 3 1/2 hours before EoD2: Posted at the beginning of d3: Keep in mind that the Palmar train didn't take off until 1 hour before EoD2. You want to explain this, sky? Sure, mate. It's called "Try and read everything between those two posts next time instead of selectively quoting comments and trying to get people to explain them". On September 29 2014 05:41 batsnacks wrote: SkyDragon if you vote Palmar I'll unvote you. If you want to get lynched, just keep complaining and doing nothing. ##unvote ##vote: SkyDragon On September 29 2014 05:44 SkyDragon wrote: Last time I voted, everyone went crazy and called me scummy over it so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little more cautious this time. Also, it gives me a chance to read everyone's posts first before voting according to my gut instinct. Which I have done. Voted for JAT. On September 29 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote: I don't want to lynch JAT. We need to compromise. Vote Palmar. On September 29 2014 05:47 SkyDragon wrote: I don't care if anyone votes to lynch me and I won't be influenced in such a way. I've said what I needed to say earlier and Palmar is lower on my list of suspects. Still shady but lower. I'm sticking by my original list of 4 that I posted before. I could be wrong but they are the ones who look scummy to me. On September 29 2014 05:49 batsnacks wrote: Because I am forcing him to vote who I want. He doesn't have a say in who he votes if he wants to live. As you can see, Bats was trying to get me to vote Palmar to save myself (I had 6 lynch votes or something at the time). I said no. | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:56 StorrZerg wrote: So sky where have you played? Can you please answer this. I can't say. Mods don't want me to so I'll just leave it there. | ||
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On September 30 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote: Yet you make no attempt to determine who is steering it "this way" and never analyse any of these miraculous switches off of you at deadline. You're also angry that people switched to palmar but why are you angry when the alternative is you who is "town" anyway?? Are you even reading anything properly? I was annoyed that I kept being put up for lynch and just wanted it over and done with. Hell, I didn't vote Palmar when Bats asked me to to possibly steer the lynch vote to someone else. How much more evidence do you need that I really didn't care? I just wanted to see your reaction when you see that I'm not Mafia and the excuses that will pour out of you guys when you realize that your readings just aren't any good. Instead, you guys go and lynch one guy that had a high chance of being Town. That lynch was all on every single person that led the vote train and nothing to do with me. Of course, the more I said that Palmar is probably good, the more scummier he looked to some of you because you already had this presupposed notion that I'm bad so I must be defending a bad guy. Palmar was also defending me to a large degree so what now? He's Town but I'm Mafia? How does that make sense? All Town have tunnel-vision on me so you aren't even spending much time trying to find the real Mafia. I'm constantly defending myself so I can't spend much time analyzing anything either considering that I'm going to University AND working full-time. | ||
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On September 30 2014 09:09 Holyflare wrote: You've quite clearly already stated what site you're from in this game (sk) and mods would never interfere like that Just realized that there's a bit of a miscommunication. When I said that the Mods don't want me to, I'm talking about the Mods on the site I frequent. | ||
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On September 30 2014 16:05 justanothertownie wrote: Bullshit. First Sky complains about how I am attacking people all the time, later he complains how I am not pushing people. It makes no fucking sense. Also Storr brought up a very good point earlier - this post looks a lot like he has been coached by his teammates. Early in the game he seemed totally clueless about everything and now he acts like he not only knows how to use the database but also my meta. Sure, buddy - if people like marv could not identify my scumplay in heavyweight you can surely see the difference to my townplay. And again, you side-track the issue with more whining and complaining. I've said this for a while now that I'd be surprised if you're not Mafia along with Storr (His complete attitude reversal when he was called out yesterday is just so damn scummy to me). | ||
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On October 01 2014 06:20 StorrZerg wrote: if sky flips town, i think it makes hf look really good. that be almost 2x now he has "avoided sky to push someone he thought was scum. incorrectly, but i think it makes his motivations look better. i think it also makes his palmar switch look very genuine. That is a stupid analysis. Mafia doesn't care who they lynch as long as it's not one of their own. Nothing will be found out after d3 from my lynching except that Town sucks for lynching 3 Townies in a row. Day 4 will start with 4 Villagers and 3 Mafia. If you're Town, HF and JAT, God help you. | ||
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On October 01 2014 06:44 batsnacks wrote: What about me? Is god gonna help me too or...? Or did you not bother to mention me since everyone already knows my alignment. Killing being Seer makes you 100% Town in my eyes. I may have forgotten to say that earlier. | ||
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On October 01 2014 06:48 batsnacks wrote: FF is mafia. Calling it. I can just imagine him in his shop right now with a PC behind the counter, feverishly hammering on f5, waiting for someone, anyone, to say his name. | ||
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Bet he goes inactive again after what Bats said: On October 01 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote: No one is going to vote you today over sky. You could claim your alignment (mafia) and they would still lynch sky. | ||
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You wasted all that time for nothing when you could've been analyzing much more scummier people. | ||
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On October 01 2014 09:00 batsnacks wrote: If you're town you're still effectively a zero being factored into the town equation. You're nothing. Stop talking about yourself if you're town. You are getting lynched today. If you are town the best thing you can do is post reads, and there's plenty for you to comment on that you haven't commented on already. And that's why Town is losing. Townies are expendable in this game. | ||
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On October 01 2014 09:03 batsnacks wrote: No, they aren't. That's why if you are town you're killing us. Nah mate, I'm not killing anyone. When you say silly things like "Lynch Palmar", that kills the Town. When you insist that someone is Mafia, even though he has said from d1 that he isn't, that kills the Town. If Town loses, it's on Bats, FF, HF, JAT, Storr, Obi and Superbia (Unless you're Mafia, in which case I applaud your tactics in manipulating the feeble-minded sheep). | ||
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On October 01 2014 09:07 batsnacks wrote: If I were sky in his position I would never have responded to anything I said. Why does sky respond to the confirmed townie when he's being lynched? Because I'm not you? | ||
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I will have to go with Obi, JAT and possibly Superbia now. All of their conversations seem a bit forced and even when they do pressure each other, nothing changes and it just feels fake to me. Lynch those three with fire and then storr if you have time. | ||
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On October 01 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote: sky's worst crime is calling himself a villager instead of a vanillager btw You're wrong. It's "Villager". | ||
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Don't worry though, I apologize for anything I said if it offended anyone and all is forgiven if anything was done towards me. It was annoying that I had to keep defending myself since Day 1 but I guess it is part of the game. I hope to play with you guys again in future games! | ||
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Thanks for the advice though, Storr. I'll keep it in mind. | ||
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