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On October 09 2014 08:17 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? I think this advice is appropriate. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote:
5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach.
so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game?
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On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote:I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. tell me what do you think about this post ? I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man
I don't get why you say you want to try and defend zen and just vote him anyway. It's like you're making yourself a loophole to climb out through an ambigious post.
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On October 08 2014 12:46 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:58 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.
No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.
Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply? I am currently quite certain of my case. Also pressure helps. Have you read my case? What do you think? Any reason why you're not voting on zen that you can directly relate to my case? Careless scum caught in a lie or rushed newbie townie? Well... Could a newbie town think he needs to contribute but isn't sure how? Yes. Could a newbie town think that giving his rushed initial impressions is better than not? Yes. So the question here is - was he caught in a lie? My answer is... how could we actually be sure? Your case on him could very well be applied to a newbie town who doesn't have a lot of time to contribute (which he claimed was the case). I've presented my concern for him wanting others to do the work for him, which IMO is quite scummy. I understand your case but don't feel it follows that he was necessarily lying. I'm patiently awaiting some more input from him now that there's a whole lot more content for him to read. I agree Superbia. So why are you pushing people so hard to vote for him? "Just vote, you can always retract your vote." - what even is this? The pressure play would be you presenting a case and voting for him. What exactly could you accomplish by getting people to artificially vote for him? (psssst he can read this thread too and will know who's voting for him just cause you said so and who's voting for him cause they believe he's mafia)
seems like you're defending zen here but vote him anyway later
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On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man
you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town.
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On October 09 2014 09:17 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:08 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 08:17 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? I think this advice is appropriate. On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote:
5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach. so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game? I think you're newbie town who needs to stop playing the newbie card and get some help.
well at least you think i'm town but coming from scum isn't really helpful is it?
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On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.
what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.
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i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.
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ok from reading i agree with abuse in that the bet should claim as town we get more info. FF you argue that mafia can get more info into the setup, but that info far outweighs the risks because we need to lynch a mafia today or it's going to be really hard d3. I think abuse is town based on that I agree with claiming and ff is town based on my reading on d1, but i don't like how he voted zen without a shadow of doubt.
bresh looks town to me when he defended zen on d1 but voted him anyway but then retracting his vote and voting ff. mafia would have just kept his vote on zen.
superbia hard pushed zen first and in hindsight I don't think mafia would be that bold in pushing for someone. So town for now.
which leaves elvis and rad, through process of elimination I think these two are scum, but I have yet to find any reasons. I know I'm gonna get a beating through this kind of logic, but this is how I think. Questions are welcome. I'm here for 2 hours approx.
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On October 11 2014 11:23 Rad wrote:I'm thinking I'd like to know why he waited an entire day to come back to the thread after this bs about waiting to post until I respond to him: Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all. what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts. So you've had a day to think about it. WHATCHA THINK? You going to tell us or would you prefer to just sit there looking like a newbie passing judgement. And I'm also wondering why the hell he's still pushing for a vet claim. My brain is going to explode. And finally, I'm wondering why he thinks anyone would be cool with him just disappearing for a whole day only to pop back up with a tiny, useless list of his thoughts and a 2 hour limit in which he'll answer questions or some shit. What a fucking team player that guy is. I don't know how to read him though so /tableflip Back to lanning with friends =/
discreditting me by calling me newbie because i called you out as scum when we're all playing the newbie game is really smart.
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote:
FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.
Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?
Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.
I dont think you've done anything to point out that's scum and you've just defended yourself that you're not scum and he's scum for pointing fingers at so OMGUS.
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holy moly forgot to vote sorry been busy with mid terms lately I'll try to be more active and vote.
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anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis?
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Whats there to mass claim theres only 1 pr.
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I find it odd u guys think there is a definite tracker
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I dont see how hypoclaiming anything will get us anywhere.
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I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this?
I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town.
It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him.
But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons.
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why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly
Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.
You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.
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On October 13 2014 16:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 15:43 loafery wrote:
I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this?
I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town.
It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him.
But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons. So, you are saying the scumteam is breshke/abuse, right? Sorry you don't say names and I smoke a lot of marijuana
yea beshke and abuse are scum
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there's nothing in the rules that say when you get roleblocked you are notified and you're trying to make excuses but it looked to me like desperation on your end. And it's a rule of thumb in mafia that you don't get notified when roleblocked, nothing just happens.
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