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On August 27 2014 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: better believe it TMI rayn's mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2014 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: impossible this game bcz not playing Why not? I promise not to go all Koshi on you. | ||
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My goal: Find mafia Subgoal: Find out mafia's mission SubSubgoal (read: actual goal): Troll | ||
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On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in. ##vote 27nb This is a great case. Sheeping. ##Vote 27nb | ||
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On September 02 2014 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: Hi Hi. Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that. requiring a fake claim does seem a bit harsh. Voting patterns could be key here. Maybe it could have to do with post counts or accusations/list. This is going to be so fun. Kita if you tell me your mission I won't vote you out first. | ||
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On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: I think it's too early to really worry about the missions as we have absolutely no idea what those missions look like. Thinking too much about the missions may just lead to focusing on unimportant details without getting good reads. IMO proper reads > catching people on missions I think the point is that the missions could make mafia even more awkward than they otherwise might be. | ||
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On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote: True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. Yeah this could be a good idea. Potentially although activity at the 2 hours ish before is paramount! So we would all need to figure out if we can be here for this. I'm going to stick away from saying any buzz words. I think maybe we could do something like referring to each other as "Villagers" and "wolves" instead of "Town and mafia" might potentially break a mission where maybe they have to be called town by a certain number of people or something. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm here, but you voted me to die. I thought we were friends, Banks. Damn, that vote hurts. As for the rest of you scrubs, hi. So here's how we are going to do it. Tehpoof has 3 chances to say wolf. When he hits number 4 I'm voting him. You've already said it once. 3 more, and you are out buddy. wolf wolf wolf did you complete your mission? | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: I like the idea behind this. If we try to make the missions fail, it has to be a collective town effort. That way scum would be forced to stand out, if they want to complete their mission. I find it highly unlikely that something like this could break a mission. I agree we should definitely up the deadline. I think thats really town favored if the mission is vote oriented. We however can't assume that the mission involves just votes. It could involve lots of things like post count/reads/claims loads of stuff. If the mission was to do something like be called mafia by x number of people or be called town by y number of people changing the words would fix that issue as they're not being called that unless its considered a technicality. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:27 27ninjabunnies wrote: ##Vote:Tehpoofter I don't have a mission, but you deserve to die what do you think about the mission conversation me kita mderg were having? | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:29 mderg wrote: We can do that, if you want. I don't like your alternative words, though. I'd rather have "good guys" and "bad guys" to each his own but picking different words than me = wolfie. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Meh, possible, but unlikely....I mean the word part atleast. Would you be down for EoD being artificially early by an hour? I think that the ideas are very pro town. My initial vote on you was a troll but I'm not liking your reaction. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote: Seems like I am playing then. Will start looking at the game in~30 minutes when I get back to my dorm Welcome to the game. What are your thoughts on the mission? Have you read Obiwan's airtight case on 27ninjabunnies? Also are you templar that plays video mafia often? I feel like you're not but was checking. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:45 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah, I vote usually before then anyway. That's okay. You can not like me all you want I am curious though as to why I was the first vote. I think this will sum up why you were voted quite nicely: On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in. ##vote 27nb Glad you're down to vote early. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: That's not templar, I don't think. Also, I thought me and obiwan were StarWars buddies, but apparently not. I didn't think so but I was curious. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:49 mderg wrote: You don't like my incredibly creative words? not at all. For flavor reasons and because wording wise it could potentially make a difference on a mission. However thinking about it a bit more the words probably wouldn't matter. So we can live in each other's word worlds. | ||
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On September 02 2014 06:49 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ouch. Much hurt. Anyway, so I'm off to work. Have fun convincing people I'm scum day 1! If the shoe fits.. | ||
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On September 02 2014 08:11 The_Templar wrote: That's because the entire game is superficial so far. I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct. So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself? | ||
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On September 02 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote: Hi guys, just got home a few ago and caught up. I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the EoD. Though I do not think that we need to drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out exactly what the mission is. We need to develop our reads and reasoning behind having the people up for lynch and every night cycle or day cycle look into how people are voting and see if there are any trends that people take together. Also just curious when you say cut the day short by an hour and just move all votes to the person who has the majority, doesn't that make our options kind of small and cause a tunnel on that person. If we go that way there really isn't much in the way of vote analysis to go with its just everyone pushed their votes on that one person and we can't see voting patterns for that time period when its important I guess is what i'm saying. That part worries me a bit. The point is that mission wise some sort of voting mission might be something mafia has to accomplish so if we all organize as a town to vote earlier a mafia voting afterwards for whatever mission they might have would stick out like a sore thumb. This takes the rules of the game normally and stuffs it up so that the mafia has to be even more adaptive than normal making them more obvious. I think talking about possible missions and what they could be is going to be very useful in this game as obviously the mod would give mafia missions that are not easy to complete or not something mafia would generally do imo. So that being the case you're right in the sense that we shouldn't focus too much on possible missions but if we have that thought in our minds things mafia might do to complete a mission would appear super awkward. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote: These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red. I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange. Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:39 Vivax wrote: Hey kush, do you have three suspects? Why do you ask him for specifically three? am I missing some meta? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:10 Vivax wrote: Kush y so angry | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote: let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times. Tehpoofter is town Tehpoofter is Amazing Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Mission Status: SUCCESS!! | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote: Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night. I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post) I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: Day 1 scum mission - make a post with a bazillion words in it IF this is the mission batsnacks templar basically confirmed scum. | ||
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Batsnacks is there anything you'd like to let us in on about that post like why was it necessary? Do you have a version written in English? | ||
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Templar seeing what I saw in bunnies was good as I didn't like her reaction. Although his long post was weird as fuck. Vivax looks scummy for the post he made to kush seeing if he could buddy him. Bunnies reaction really bad earlier anyone else think that besides templar? OR am I looking too much into it? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:43 The_Templar wrote: I don't think 3d12 is particularly bad yet. Agreeing with people that look like they know what they're doing as a newbie is perfectly normal so far. He hasn't done much up to this point atm so I have no read on him, his not agreeing with the setup talk felt newbish but all setup talk=null to me. I agree with you on this. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:53 kushm4sta wrote: dude aren't you married to bunnies or some shit no | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:01 kushm4sta wrote: are you her boyfriend though? still no. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote: Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum. In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value. I think buddying is something mafia does often maybe not out right but its a valuable tactic to get town read by someone who has a lot of influence in town and ride that "x thought I was town" mantra until the end. So I disagree its a bad heuristic its something I look for always when I'm playing. The point is that buddying is a scum tactic a good one and I'm going to call it out if I see it happening. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote: Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements? repeatedly. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote: Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it. We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies. I'm not a poofter name is a long story Kita and templar I dislike the templar read as it seems to be an association read from kita who I currently don't think is particularly scummy. Whatd you think of Damdred's brief stay in the thread? | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:14 Vivax wrote: Yeah but townies buddy too, it's then called town circle and I don't see how you decide that I'm scum buddying over town buddying. I agree with you there that you don't have to be scum to buddy but I think scum benefit from it more where town can buddy up but usually don't do it so early and as a first interaction. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread. I didn't even see this post tbh..... thats really weird. ##unvote ##Vote: Micchan Hai fix the mess please. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:18 Vivax wrote: I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread. You mean Templar and Kita right? | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:27 Vivax wrote: I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter. Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure. If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky. There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however. I didn't realize it was a not smurf. I could 100% see palmar doing this. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:27 The_Templar wrote: And it was odd because you said "Let's change the discussion to ___" when we were recently discussing it That part wasn't odd at all imo. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm down for a Batsnacks plynch. ##unvote ##vote batsnacks Shouldn't be posting nonsense in a setup where nonsense could be scum's objective. yo can you post more than just votes? What else you thinking about bbygirl? | ||
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On September 02 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote: You're the bbygirl doofus. Also you're a lazy bum if that's your final decision. hahahaha | ||
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I'm gonna go play video mafia later. | ||
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Sad to see this thread is pretty slow by the looks of it. Anyone around to chat while I catch up? | ||
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On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Talking about missions is bad, also dont do it. Obi, why did you vote for bunnies at the start of the game? just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment. I think you're wrong on point one if someone is allowed to do weird ass things as mafia because people aren't thinking about missions then mafia has an easier time. Plus if we are bringing up the missions and one of us actually gets it right even if we don't catch a mafia immediately from it they still could be very nervous about posting just in general or meeting the mission and it could become more awkward (read easier for us to catch) for them to accomplish it. We might as well talk about something unique to the game it would be like not talking about the cell's in cell mafia or the button in catastrophe. I don't like the mindset of "ignore the missions" to me its like "Lets just be quiet about something WE KNOW MAFIA IS DOING and let everyone ponder it individually vs collectively" Your previous post about batsnacks reads from one post is 100% right anyone getting a read off that is silly. As far as I was concerned as of last night batsnacks hadn't posted. | ||
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On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote: I thought a bit about how to deal with missions. And I came to the conclusion that we should ignore them completely. We have no idea what those missions are, so it's difficult to make them fail.Our time is probably much better spent thinking about the players. Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people. I didn't like his opening post as he wanted to immediately look away from the missions (something mafia would say I thought but seeing as so far half the thread has said it guess I'm in the minority of town in that aspect) What post is the one hes playing the newbie card? So your thesis is that the missions shouldn't be on our mind at all. Mafia would freak the hell out if one of their missions got guessed by town even amongst 10-20 other guesses with ways to prevent it because then they STILL have to complete the mission and town now has its eyes out for EXACTLY what they're doing. Its very speculative but it still is an important part of the game. | ||
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On September 03 2014 05:46 The_Templar wrote: that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much. If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be? | ||
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On September 03 2014 05:47 mderg wrote: If mafia does weird ass things they're still doing weird ass things, regardless of us thinking about the missions. Bleh I agree on principal but my wording was bad. Something that may not seem weird normally in this game might be a mission. I'm going to keep talking about them because its basically a key clue that we have this game that if we don't use we're just hurting ourselves and making mafia play as normal. Like earlier imagine if the mission was to change votes at EoD or something silly like that and we decided after 1 hour prior to deadline no vote switches were to happen. Mafia would be petrified to make a change because it would make them look not townie. They'd have to contrive something and a simple vote switch at EoD would suddenly become a huge chore to them and without the discussion something like that would go unnoticed most likely or be written off. What about templar making a long post makes him scummy to you? | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:02 The_Templar wrote: probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post. I think its scummy that you're saying you're giving him newbie passes and still would lean slightly green on him (the same read) if he wasn't a newbie. Wouldn't your newbie passes inherently make his towniness increase? I think you might be throwing the newbie pass out there as an excuse for him like soft defending and then giving him a town read. Please explain why the rating doesn't change. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:03 The_Templar wrote: I'm off to dinner/class for the next 3.5 hours, see you all later grrrrrr please answer when you're back. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:21 mderg wrote: I think playing out of the ordinary to make missions fail can also hurt town. Especially if mafia has a "good" idea to stop a potential mission that might make us play suboptimal. I just don't like the idea of making big changes to our play for the off chance of figuring out a mission. What makes him scummy to me is that he made the long post focusing only on one person and then only coming to a soft conclusion like that. I can agree to the first point there but that would require some VERY bold mafia and I think that narrows the pool of mafia considerably in the game if that was to happen. I didn't like the point about him coming to that conclusion after the long post. Did you see my point about him also not giving him a newbie boost despite commenting on the fact that he talked about the bonus he was getting maybe being too large? What are your thoughts on that? | ||
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Yes please I asked you to quote the post mderg and didn't see it upon reading 3d12's filter. | ||
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Miccah dude whats your thought on him? Takes 2 seconds to read his filter and his one comment was about 3d12 who is getting a lot of heat in the thread it seems. This dude is mafia vote him with me. Please give a shit this game like you did in Heavy Weights if you're town I saw a bit of that flare earlier. I need someone to sheep cause my day 1 is generally poor. . | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:35 mderg wrote: These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though. I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote: 3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone. I also don't think he's scum. Scum is among this bunch imo: - Templar - Kush - Kita - 27nb - micchan We might be friends this game. I am 4/5 on scum reads with you. Kush being the only exception. What makes you read kush as scum? I'd also have 3d12 in the scum pile in his place. Vote Micchan with me that dude is scum. Complains about the mess activity and fucks off comes back and throws scum on the person being scum read by lots of people then defends himself with his 3 posts like thats his whole filter. I'm going to case him in a second so once I've posted you can just say "wow great post poofter" and vote. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote: Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way? I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought. What about you? | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:44 mderg wrote: I agree that it would require bold mafia play. I don't think it would narrow down the pool of mafia very much, though. The newbie bonus part is odd, yes. If he fears that the newbie bonus he's giving is too large it should have some kind of influence on the read. Really? I can think of about 3-4 people in the game who might be able to pull that off successfully although it wouldn't account for partners but would require one of them. Yeah I agree on the newbie bonus points. | ||
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Micchan is mafia! He is playing directly too a bunch of mafia stereotypes. 1) Lurking This post contains his entire filter 2)Complaining about the thread but doing nothing at all to fix it. He makes this post then bails out for hours! On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess 3)Poking in to prod at an easy target that was already under thread suspicion at the time. On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn... 4)Defends instead of pushing scum. On September 03 2014 02:31 Micchan wrote: Im not lurking yesterday ...just after i made my first post something happened and i need to go thats just it This last point is the weakest one as its not a very hard defense but its literally 1/3rd of his filter. I believe I'm the only one voting on him currently this needs to change he deserves pressure for this type of posting. ##Unvote ##Vote Micchan | ||
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On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote: The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted. ##unvote @tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan? I realized that afterwards lol Oh its a voting thread well dammit. Will update. I think that his actions are scummy easy to find or not if he plays like that its scummy. Are you telling me you think that what he has done is townie? IF not you should vote for him. | ||
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Last game Yamato wrote off "GB as too scummy to be scum" low and behold GB flipped scum at the end game and yamato miss hammered d1 (was palmars crazy witch game so like day 2 lylo) So I'm not going to let someone by just because they were scummy and it was obvious. | ||
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On September 03 2014 07:38 batsnacks wrote: None of micchans posts have made me think anything about his alignment. I do think he is probably the easiest target right now though, right ahead of 3d12 who you also scum read. Do you agree that the points I made are what scum does? If not what about them seems town? Also what makes you so sure that Micchan and 3d12 are both town? Who do you think is mafia? | ||
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Bang Marry Kill Reads list. Marry: No one yet although I got my eyes on Vivax and Kush to see if they might let me put a ring on it. Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kush - Initially he seemed to actually give a shit (thinking of Heavy Weight Game/World Cup style of Kush) Which got me all happy in the pants would love to see more though for now he can get it. Oats - I have you in bang for now your initial entrance seemed townie and different from Palmar's witch game. I would love to hear more of what you have to say about my Micchan case and get some interactions with you. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post! The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. 3d12 - Your apologetic tone I disagree with batsnacks that it is mainly a townie view point. You agreeing with Damdred felt like an attempt at buddying as well which I don't care for. I understand your new but I haven't gotten the newbie town vibe from you. Also the association with Templar is scummy to me as I pointed out above. 27nb - I think you overreacted to my trolly call out on you as well as Obi's vote and the post before you left where you said "Good luck making me look scummy day 1" felt REALLY weird to me. I think that your amount of contribution is very low for a town!bunnies. This seems a lot like your play when we were mafia in Cell Mafia II. Null - The rest of you not on the list honestly don't have a strong feeling about Batsnacks first post was useless and the questioning of my motives on Micchan seems townie but I disagree with your logic completely so hard for me to see it from a town mindset but the act of doing it is a little townie. Damdred/Kita/Obi - I don't have anything substantial on you guys as of yet. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet? | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:22 kushm4sta wrote: but who would you fuck bang and fuck are synonyms. Marry means fucking a bunch. Yo vote Micchan with me thnx. | ||
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On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote: The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted. ##unvote @tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan? Oh I read this as if there was a thread seeing now that was wrong. | ||
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Time to get back to reading! | ||
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On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote: List post time. Mostly Townish Tehpoofter - Wouldn't look into on day one due to activity. Generally agreeable. Vivax is an incredibly lazy scum from my experience, which isn't on par from what we've seen so far, which makes me lean town. He did pick up a spot where templar seemed to change opinions about myself, which shows he is reading. Wouldn't lynch. mderg - This is kinda silly but I'm leaning town due to "I thought a bit about how to deal with missions". The mafia team obviously wouldn't think about how to deal with the missions. It's always possible that he is mafia pretending to think about them to throw us off, but I'm not leaning that way right now. Damdred - "I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the Eo" This quote shows interest in generating a plan, which is generally townie thing to say. Again, probably a silly thing to make a read off of, but he would have to look pretty bad the second half of the day to consider lynching. batsnacks - "I don't know who are mafia yet" is generally something a townie will say earlier on in my opinion. Need more content. The_Templar - Townie....I think. obi does seem just as....blunt I suppose I'm look for....in the past games that I looked through as both alignments. I don't have a great feel one way or the other here. Scummyish oats is flying under the radar, which I associate with the last time he was scum that we played together. Effort seems suspect based on mentioning how he can't remember certain details multiple times. His posts make me think he has read the last 3-5 posts in the thread, picked one of them to reply to and moved on. kush is someone I usually think is scum. Whenever I look through his past games, as soon as I think I've found a pattern, he flips the opposite alignment and I need to throw the idea out the window. His speculation about templar having to post a "long post" as a mission was really poor and I don't see that as something a town player sees as likely so I have him closer to mafia than town right now, but I'd probably want to hear more opinions from others about his overall play so far. Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now. I want to reread 3d since there were a bunch of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way, but I want to avoid the confirmation bias. I've ignored bunnies for the most part so I will reread her as well. I remember that she was commenting about a few things way past it being relevant, but that's about it. I disagree with some of your reads my main question to you is why does it seem like a bunch of your reads come from early in the thread. (I realize its relatively short thread but still) Like your read on kush comes from his 4th post. I feel like hes given a good amount since then so it concerns me thats where your scum read is coming from. Can you expand on the Templar read? | ||
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On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote: Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all. Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet. Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game) Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former? So hes not making a difference at all? Interesting you find that a townie quality? I think that the way you talked about 3d12 was really awkward. The tone of it sounded like you didn't truly believe what you were saying. Like the read was superficial to me I can't really express what I'm saying well but it didn't feel like you were all there or behind the read. As for your play if you have only played scum and I see similar tendencies to your previous games where you were scum before. I will concede that it may just be since I've only seen you as scum seeing your town game might have some parts of it that appear as your scum game but you must understand from my pov I have no clue if you're town or mafia so if I see red flags from a scum game I've seen I most certainly will call that out. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:17 The_Templar wrote: That is not what I said. I said that I've been subconsciously giving him points for a newbie. I have been realizing my mistake before I post though and re-evaluate my opinions on him, remembering not to give him points for being a noob Okay so you think that you were doing that before and even after you took away those townie points you still read him as slightly town? hmm | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote: Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now? Since we're talking colors. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:21 Damdred wrote: Few questions for you bats: Why did you initially vote Templar and give no explanation and then unvote him? Did he do something to deserve your unvote? You also pay attention to 3d posting and conclude that he has sounded that way since before the game started. Do you think that his ideas and reactions are towny in nature? I know you said you thought his apologetic tone wasn't scummy. I must say bat this is not the normal town Bats i'm used to normally you are pretty crazy, which you showed with your first two posts (what was the first post from btw). But your posts feel really formulaic atm and it worries me. Hai I have no read on you. What are you reads? Why aren't you currently sheeping me onto Micchan? | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:23 The_Templar wrote: Lol you wish that I thought that. Read my post again. I clearly state I want to see content out of him before I decide on him. I was a bit scattered when I read 3d12. I was definitely not expecting to be asked about him as I didn't really consider him too much before rushing out a read (I had to go to class soon). Fair point about my similar play. Feel free to point out similarities between me right now and a previous mafia member all you want. Try not to judge too much because you really don't know how constant (or spontaneous) my play is between mafia and town, no matter what you think. Lol wow I can't read. I made that between customers okay cool well give him all the time you want but hes still doing scummy things. I think you could definitely leave a vote on him to pressure him into talking atm I'm the only one even voting on him and aside from batsnacks no one has really said he is even neutral. That's a very weird place to be in the thread imo. Seems like if he was a townie mafia would be eager to hop on this easy lynch with me. Granted not everyone has checked in since I made the post but I still think its a good place to look atm. Not sure about the 3d12 thing. Do you have a read on damdred/obi? I don't really have opinions on them as of yet. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:26 The_Templar wrote: Just realized I have not looked at Damdred all game yet. Need to update my reads list. the cross post is real I'm doing the same thing now too. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:33 Vivax wrote: But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town. Why act so mad now? Yeah we're going to be friends this game. Yo vivax I might propose to you if I feel the need to update my BMK. This line of questions you've been asking all game seems townie to me. How do you get your read on kush? for me its "does he seem to give a shit" if yes = town if no = mafia. So far he seemed to give a shit earlier now not so much. I think thats the read we had different so want to know more about that read. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote: I'll answer the second question first. Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit. The people who I would like to see more out of right now are: Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that. Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. This is the worrying part to me, Bunnies talks about shooting people over gut feelings and saying that Bats is a third party (hypothetically). Has not returned to the thread yet and responded to why she would want to direct vig at this point to make a kill and push us towards lylo over nothing. Micchan for the reasons listed above 3D i'm not really sure about yet, he seems awkward which is not alignment indicative but he at least gives his views in the thread and then tries toe xplain himself. So more of a I want to see more of his thoughts. Getting tired of this "yeah Micchan is being scummy and lurking but naa I don't want to vote him" Why do you think mafia isn't hoping on this lynch if Micchan is town? He is clearly just not trying and would be the easiest of all easy misslynches. I'm starting to wonder if the mafia goal involves like not voting as there is a bunch of people who haven't even placed a vote as of yet. I agree with your Bunnies read. I'm not too excited on how she talks about 3d parties and stuff wanting to kill them more than mafia as I think Oats pointed out. 3D Can you describe what you mean by awkward I think I know what you mean but not 100% also why would you bring it up that its a null in your opinion? Do you have any town reads atm? Batsnacks in the games you mentioned what alignment was he? I don't think I played in those. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:46 Vivax wrote: Kush is very capable of looking townie, as town. He will look interested and engaged and I will generally get the right vibe from him. As scum he talks a lot about irrelevant stuff and you will get the feeling that he doesn't care, he will usually join wagons on townies in a way that doesn't leave much room for alternatives (as in, he doesn't really care about other options). Kush to me definitely seems like he was carrying but not really anymore. KK I really hope you're town cause I think in almost every game we've played I've read you as really scummy and I think I might have finally figured out how to read you | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote: Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together. What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread? Oh I c just want to talk to Vivax and not me Damdred? jerk. I'm talking about him anyways.... cause lets be honest I forgot completely about mderg. He's not even in my BMK but I liked him as a Bang earlier his view on missions was weird but I felt like his reaction to when we discussed things earlier felt townie. You think he's scummy? | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Someone ask me some questions or some shit. a/s/l? | ||
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12/m/mexico Hey whats your read on Micchan? Are you just so insanely impressed by my case you've yet to vote on him out of respect so he may concede first? Also what do you think of my BMK list? Can you do something similar? | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I love how almost everyone is okay with me doing nothing. The pockets were that easy this game huh? | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I never post reads dude. I always hide them until I have an ironclad case or unless I have a really strong townread, of which I have neither. Also, I haven't even read Micchan yet. I'm gonna be honest and say I really don't give a shit about him at all because he looks boring. This is a really boring way to play imo. Share your ideas let us see where you mind is at. I posted my reads already which I'm sure obs is laughing at atm but fck it I want people to know where I'm at. If all townies just acted town game would be ezpz. I don't like your responses. Also 19 is a little old. | ||
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You should see if you can pocket me by days end. Throw in Oats too for bonus points. I'd love to see what you can do with full pockets | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I almost never post reads lists so I don't know why you're having an issue with me not doing it now. Last game I was with you your activity got you lynched at lylo in Heavy Weight mafia (I got lynched before that so I can't talk much) I'd like to see if you're town that not happen to either of us this game and actually win. I don't necessarily care if you give a reads list or not that's easier for me seeing peoples ideas on paper. I'd just like to be able to read you and know where you're at. Right now you've basically said "lawl I don't give reads unless I'm sure which I'm not" Micchan the guy you cased is boring. This gives me ZERO info to go off so I don't like it. | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm super tempted to start doing the Oberyn thing again though. Whats that? | ||
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lol you were unlynchable? I didn't read the game so not sure what happened but I liked the post when I control F'd Oberyn. Take control I'd like to see it never seen you in that role tbh would be a nice change of pace. | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can't tell if you're saying this because he's genuinely boring or if you're being a smug asshole. Is it both? It's probably both. His first post was boring as fck I regret reading it. | ||
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I'm about to get off work going home to play some dungeonworld so probably be afk for a couple hours I'll check in before bed. Calling on Oats/Kush/Kita/Mderg to read my Micchan case and sheep me please. Or at least tell me why I'm wrong. | ||
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Kush you actually around? Talk to me I saw flares of awesome early but you kinda faded down the home stretch. (inb4 you posted a bunch since I read ) | ||
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On September 04 2014 05:59 kushm4sta wrote: i think flashes is a better metaphor there than flares I'm sticking with flares. If you had to pick 2 votes on the Micchan wagon that were scummy which ones would they be? | ||
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On September 03 2014 23:49 kitaman27 wrote: @poofter, what were you referring to when you said kush had a good amount of content? Like specific posts? There was a flourish where he posted about 5 ish posts (its not a lot honestly by normal standard but for kush) midway through the first day that felt townie too me. I'm still catching up but his posting has decreased. So I'll see where I'm at come my read. It was his start of the day around page 10 that I got my read from. | ||
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On September 04 2014 06:05 batsnacks wrote: Picking easy targets is good they said. Lynch the low hanging fruit they said. Well now the doctor is dead and none of you have reads because the doctor never said anything. Taunting will help. Why don't you tell me what we should have done and who was most benefited by the doctor lynch? | ||
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On September 04 2014 06:39 batsnacks wrote: I was busy. Why ask me these questions now and not when you are imagining they would be important? This discussion is meaningless now. So is your bullshit taunt. Like how is it okay for you to be a dick about the lynch and say "omg I was right you guys are all dumb" .... "but i was busy so I couldn't say it at a relevant time now I'm going to bring it up and look like a genius while you guys look like idiots" Thats bullshit logic. You started the discussion if you can't handle the repercussions from it then don't bring it up. | ||
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On September 04 2014 06:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You are literally lying if you claim that you were busy because you made your giant kita post and then posted your nonsensical scumreads on bunnies and me. Townie. | ||
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On September 04 2014 06:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly, I think we should just kill him tomorrow. Too many afk people on the Mic wagon to make it happen day 1, but day 2 is entirely possible. I need to reevaluate with the lynch and read how people moved on to Micchan. I pushed it pretty hard so probably made it pretty easy for scum to hop on which is my fault. I felt a little tunneled I think a little too hard so I'm not gonna say I'm going to kill batsnacks 100% especially before night kills happen and things. I'm going to post a reads list at the end of my work day with my thoughts. | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:05 batsnacks wrote: ebwop: poofter why did you say I was right? This is a really weird thing to say considering I was the only person who voted kitaman27. Do you think I was right about kitaman27? You we're right about Micchan being low hanging fruit and townie and that it was a bad wagon. Why would you think I was talking about kitaman? | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote: I never said that. Those were his words. Why did he say I was right? I -NEVER- insinuated that I was right. The only thing I said was that I didn't sheep the easiest target d1, like most people did. So why is he saying that I was right? You 100% insinuated you were right lol. You sarcastically made the post that you guys went with the lynch that turned out the be the doctor while I was voting kitaman who is unknown. You were "right" in not voting for Micchan. You DEFINITELY were trying to get that point across don't try to say you weren.t | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:16 batsnacks wrote: Dude I have never said micchan was a townie. Never. The only thing I have said about micchan, and I said it -after- the lynch, was that he was a bad lynch. HAHAHA so bad lynch=hes townie like that's the same thing literally. If you think its a bad lynch that implies you think hes town or null. I have no clue why you care so much unless you think you're getting called out for it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:21 batsnacks wrote: That was after the lynch. Aren't you trying to say that I did knowingly let micchan die without defending him, while thinking he was town? I can quote where you said that, you know. I was saying that you did shit all to prevent the lynch you were "busy" supposedly then afterwards you call everyone out sarcastically. So yes I was saying that when you are just as responsible for not trying to prevent it. You can't say we did the wrong thing and t hat you didn't think he was town and you were afk that just doesn't work I'm sorry but you just like a scumbag and a dick doing that. | ||
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I think it would be beneficial if we can get some reads out before the end of the night. Oats are you going to be around I haven't really gotten to interact with you but I want to see where your head is it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:52 kushm4sta wrote: so are you actually gay poofter? cause poofter is slang for homosexual. Is that why you rejected ninjabunnies? lol no I'm not gay very much into the female gender, sorry to burst your bubble. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote: Bats bats bats. His first post, I regret not putting more weight into it initially. Anyway I googled that shit and it's from some I ching or book of changes. So basically this guy, for no apparent reason decides to quote some pages from a book of some religion or fuck knows what. His later play is super serious. I've read a little of bats in cell mini where he got mislynched, and well.. He started trolly, and he stayed trolly. Here he starts trolly, and then goes tryhard. No explanation for his first post yet. So maybe it was his mission to post that stuff and instead of slowly working his way up to a reason to post it, he just decided to jump into the cold water by posting it first and seeing what would happen. All this stuff is a bit tinfoil I know, but... ONE explanation is better than none, and it doesn't sit right with me that it got skipped over so easily (which was also my fault). If bats was town, mafia would have tried to capitalize on it at some point, probably. In regards to mafia trying to pounce on it. What do you think about how kush tried to push bats originally as bats was the first major wagon before town hero poofter got the medic lynched? Is this not what you mean about bats getting jumped on by mafia? | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch all the people who overexpained their vote on micchien. Mderg and another guy. Firstly auto correct owned you. Secondly I agree awkward votes should be looked at very closely. | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:43 Vivax wrote: If kush is mafia it's not cause of that. At least I didn't pay especially attention to it. Problem with kush being is that he doesn't display the fucks he usually gives when he wants to win as town. Read his showdown filter for example. Right now I'm more concerned with finding other scum but I'm feeling pretty confident on kush given his D1 performance. Yes I gather that I'm just wondering why you don't make the correlation between bats/kush there that kush (who you think is for sure scum) points out this bs that bats posted and pushed on him. You brought up that you thought bats would be town if that occurred from a scum. So odd to me that you think that way. My conclusion is that if Kush is mafia he spewed batsnacks as town from that push. Do you not take that leap? If so why not? | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I just checked his filter. I'd hardly call that overly explaining his vote. What do you feel about damdred who was the other one Oaks called out for a overly justified vote? Do you think Oaks might be right on that? | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:16 3d12 wrote: Heya Poofter. I was here, but I'm almost done with work. I'd suggest Templar's filter, if you're looking for a place to start. There's a few interesting tidbits in there that might be worth further investigation. Also, what happened to that reads list you were going to post last night? You seemed fairly confident last time you posted one, so just because you wagoned a mislynch that means all your reads are off? No Last night was where I mainly play mafia at had its one year anniversary so did that until the wee hours and then fell asleep I was lazy. I only think I'm way off because Templar died who was my number 2 suspect after the Micchan dude. Can you link the interesting tidbits for me from his filter? I thought he was pretty scummy especially with his interaction with you. Now that you've had a day of mafia to process can you say where you're mostly at? (If its int something since I last posted I haven't read it yet but I don;t know where your head is at) | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:25 kitaman27 wrote: I'm about to drive home so I can't chat now, but I remember kush caught me as scum once for asking this exact question. Cool I'm at work I'm feeling pretty meh today so I just feel like talking not really casing anyone hopefully tomorrow I'll be more spirited. | ||
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On September 05 2014 07:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Batsnacks. I really wanted to kill Vivax.... but after talking with him last night, I'm starting to like him. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I can't really tell on Batsnacks his first post was weird and the like taunting nature of his post after the micchan flip hit me the wrong way I really hate that he reacted like that. It felt super scummy to me at the time just like "lawl you idiots should have listened to me I was trying to tell you what to do" I do that as scum a lot as I'm sure you know where I "end up on the right side" of things before it was cool. I can see batsnacks doing that. Vivax I like I agree with a lot of his reads and he seems townie to me in his activity level and demeanor. What do you think of Kush? | ||
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On September 05 2014 07:34 batsnacks wrote: I think I will vote obiwan or kitaman today. Obiwan why do you want to get me lynched so bad? You have been after me since the beginning. On September 05 2014 07:48 batsnacks wrote: ##vote: Vivax Lol this makes me laugh want to talk about why you think Vivax is the scum over Obi and Kita? | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:05 batsnacks wrote: Bold has been noted but that isn't something I would do as scum. I only get miffed and taunt people when I'm town. I can understand you hating that I reacted to the mislynch that way. As town my posting tends to be stream of consciousness. I don't think a lot about what I'm posting I just... post. I can understand that. Thats how all town should post cause for scum to post like that is EXCEPTIONALLY hard without outing their motives. So Vivax/Obi/Kita your top three? | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote: I went back and tried to find a game or two where he was mafia. I found Doctor Who mafia or something. He posted a lot of gifs and one liners that game but there were some good posts. That had, at the time, diminished my scum read of him but he is someone I keep going back to. If I were a day vigi I would consider shooting him, but it would feel selfish. Do you think anything of the mission stuff I said to him? About how he was scum and his mission could be he has to vote with the majority. I was in the Dr. Who Game I believe Kitaman was converted to scum (that was a weird game) him and kush were actually both scum that game. So when looking at the game make sure its stuff past the point he was made to be scum. | ||
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I want to talk about kush as well. His play this game for me was starting really townie but then gotten scummier and scummier. Oats/Kita can you explain how you read kush and what your read is on him currently. I've heard from Vivax and generally am starting to agree with him on that. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really can't get over how weird the Templar kill was. Who shoots Templar? What does scum get out of it? The dude basically claimed not blue earlier in the game, so rolefishing is out. This was my thoughts I don't think he was particularly townie and filter link is not a tell for him based on old games. I don't see any benefit but could be someone inexperienced with his play who looked purely at thread presence or something. (Maybe mafia's mission was to kill the person with the biggest filter at night ) What do you think of 3d12? I noticed you were pushing on him earlier but have switched to batsnacks. I was actually rereading him and not sure what switched your read on him. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:12 kitaman27 wrote: I was leaning on scum d1, but I'll add to my to-do list. K if you can what do you use to read him like what metric? | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I didn't really switch my read on 3d12. I haven't actually read him since EoD. And I'm probably not going to for a while. I don't think he's on the lynch table as of right now because there are far bigger players roaming around right now. I agree on bigger fish to fry. I don't think hes not worth running up to see how he and others react to the pressure. In my reread I felt he was using that apologetic tone. I think he might kill Templar as well who thought he was townie to gain some credibility. (Or also would not have realized he wasn't being universally town read as well) I want to hear back on kush but for now I think the newbie needs to grow up. ##Vote 3d12 | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:16 kitaman27 wrote: Can't say I have a great way of reading him, but the biggest thing would probably be that he tends to be along for the ride as scum, while as town he will have flashes of opinions without being prompted. Thanks for that. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:18 Vivax wrote: Kush is probably the most underestimated town player on TL. He has become a scum wrecking ball. Oh I agree he impressed me big time in World Cup and then in Heavy Weight. If he had lived passed n1 that game might have gone differently. | ||
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Banks Marry Kill Marry - I'm going to marry Vivax I think he is playing the most townie out of everyone in the thread. I see him trying and putting in the effort Vivax normally doesn't show as scum. Bang - Oats - He was a little lack luster at first but his play early on was good. I also liked his point on Damdred about the overjustified voting. Made me move Damdred into my scum list. Obi - I feel his confidence in his posts. He seems a lot like he did in Heavy Weight where he didn't post much and had short burst of small posts but was townie in his mindset like I feel he is here. Kitaman - I like his thought process about kush and the way he has been talking to day makes him feel townier to me than before. KILL 3d12 - I'm not one for newbie passes unless I feel that the newbie is just saying things unintentionally that scum just couldn't/wouldn't say as a new player. I just feel unease and overly apologetic tone from him. I feel he also might have killed Templar to try to cash in on the town cred. 3d12 can you give me some concise view points on everyone that I have in my kill list please? If you're just overwhelmed I can understand but you saw what happened with the Micchan dude not posting and being newer to the forum. Kush - He was in my bangs yesterday but he has fallen a great deal since then. I'm not getting the give a fuck attitude from you I see in a town!kush. You are going to have to give a lot of fucks soon. Kush run down for me your train of thought for today. I want to see your passion. 27nb - I am NOT getting bunnies town game this time around. She is not posting in the large flourishes and detail she normally does. She also is very agreeable and was right on Templar showing up good on her reads not saying she can't be right but if she continues to be too right I think this could be a situation like I spoke with bats about earlier. I have her down to #3 frankly because I didn't die in the night and I think she would have been someone to push for my kill. Bunnies can you tell me your thoughts on Kush? Damdred - Oats made a really good point about Damdred's vote early on Micchan being completely over justified. He also has been someone who hasn't stuck out to me in any way. Him hoping on late looking abck on the votes looks really bad. Damdred can you tell me what your feelings are on 3d12/bunnies? Nullsville: Population: Donkey + 1 - I have Batsnacks in my Donkey pile atm. I feel his play and taunting was unneeded and was doing something I know for myself is a scum tell on me of always wanting to seem right before others should as opposed to having reads come naturally. I am giving him a null instead of scum read for some silly reasons mainly #1 His activity in the thread and general trolliness suggests town to me more than scum. #2 The fight we had earlier in the thread where he justified his taunt seemed townie in the way he was fearlessly battling me on a point I feel like a scum would have conceded to me on. I don't have him as town because frankly the reasons for town reading him are silly at best. Mderg - He had a similar style post to Damdred which is the scummiest thing I've seen about him besides his general activity which is on the low end. I often see him make/say things from a townie perspecitve like the post where he mentioned "I thought about the missions and think it won't help us much to discuss them" That thought doesn't seem like something a scum would share. I'd like to see more from him in the future as I don't want to let him skate by on something like that. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:40 kitaman27 wrote: Really don't care for your 3d vote by the way. Would not fry. I'm using a pressure cooker. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:54 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote kush Damdred you are cooking slowly but kush requires a bigger fire Agreed on this. Thanks for the read. I really want to see what happens with some pressure on 3d12 as well. I approve of the kush wagon though. Can we run up both my top scum today please!! | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:08 Damdred wrote: 3d Is Mafia, he is quickly moving up my scum charts. Ever since his big post explaining his reads and his lurking and jumping on the hot wagon makes me think hes scum plus his read evolution is odd. I initially scum read bunnies but going back and rereading her filter, she answered all the questions posed to her. And I am starting to fade pink read her going towards green. She has actually asked some decent questions and pushed whats appearing to be a decent counter wagon on bats and has put pressure on him. Also my statement about oats still stands, if hes so sure that i'm the lynch today then theirs no reason to go after kush. Build a case on me instead of saying gotta roast kush some before. And if all it takes to scum read me is me explaining why i'm voting the way i am....we should vote poof off. Also if you look at most of my past games I always hold my vote late 100% of the time. In Guilty Rayn roasts me about my vote as well as other people do and I answer the same thing I do now, I like holding my vote longer so that I can get as much information before I decide on a vote. What do you think about Kush? Do you have a read on him? | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:17 Damdred wrote: Mush is interesting to me. I've read a few of his games during the night, and well it looks a bit more like storm 2 mush then titanic mush or showdown. So just from a meta, I would say he looks a bit scummy Do you feel you were over justifying your vote on Micchan? If you had to vote in the next hour who would you vote for? | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:43 kitaman27 wrote: Does this actually ever happen in practice? I doubt it. Curiously who is scum reading 3d12 right now aside from myself? I see it all the time and whether it works or not is irrelevant we know hes a new player. If he is paired up with someone like kush who clearly doesn't give a fuck he could easily be pushing a line of thought like that. I feel like its odd so many people are coming out to defend him maybe I'm just super wrong but him not getting any pressure I think is bad for town. | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:39 kitaman27 wrote: mderg + Show Spoiler + Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II Town Brutal Leader Lynched Day 3 Normal Ass Normal Game Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Glory Seeker Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [M][N] Detention Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 5 Normal Mini Mafia LVI Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 World Cup Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 If you have any interest in breaking this trend, now is really the point where you're going to need to quadruple your activity. People may be giving you a pass right now, but if you're town you're going to need to get in front of things before they're out of your control considering you decided not to post during the night cycle. I at first didn't see the lynch times on this. I think that mderg is should give some opinions I could do with some pressure on him. | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Back from work. Really depressed. I only made 25$. @Banks- the answer to your question is below. When kush asked if you had a good read on me, I wanted to say, sure, of course he does. Your read is bad. Sooo bad. So with kush, tbh I don't know. He says stuff that I really hate that makes me just want to lynch him. Then he says stuff that I actually agree with. He's null for me. I never can read him. But if I had to choose between lynching him and kita (I'm going for the Ks here, and also, some people have expressed lynching kita which I disagree with) it'll be kush. Not me What makes you think I would kill him? I don't. Not mafia. Plus, he was my top town. Like towniest of town to me, even though others were reading him super scummy. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the only ones who expressed a solid town read on him. Plus with me being the only one (im not sure if its true, but i think i was the only one) to read him as town basically, why kill him off? That's just weird. What has kush said that you liked? and what has he said that you don't like ? | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:02 kushm4sta wrote: I do some filtering in a few hours maybe. Please understand that I'm busy. Your meta s are not accounting for that. You are comparing me to town games when I had a lot of time to play. I am fucking phone posting and it sucks. Really I am arguing for my own nullness but I feel likei have to because everybody is misrepresenting my meta I have been the busy one before. Do you feel strongly about any reads atm? Maybe not a huge case but what do you have that you want to push if you had time? For what its worth this seems like a scummy excuse and doesn't change my opinion on you at all unless you can back it up with something. | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:11 kushm4sta wrote: Did you even read my filter before pushing me poof? I said bat snacks was confirmed scum I did read your filter and there isn't shit in it tbh. I disagree with you on batsnacks. I think your activity and fucks given has been not to your townkush standards at all. If you're busy you should have more than bats is confirmed scum. What do you think of Oat's push on damdred? | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:15 Vivax wrote: You said you found his posts scummy and that lurking wasn't inherently scummy. Lurking you now call lack of trying. No way, man. This smells like an excuse. ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred I wanted to pressure 3d12 but that might need to wait. I think damdred/kush wagons might be best for today. | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote: That doesnt mean you have to vote for someone everyone else thinks is scum. Literally you can vote ANYONE ELSE. Why was Micchan the best option and why afk people means you MUST FOR FOR HIM. This is a good point coming back and seeing lots of afks on a lynch is hardly ever an indicator that its a good lynch to go on unless scum is a bunch of afkers or doing the mega bus. Answer please! | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:49 kitaman27 wrote: What do you think about the above Vivax? Rude not asking me too, I agree on it too. I want like 4 votes today. I'd vote kush/damdred/bunnies and 3d12 | ||
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On September 05 2014 14:19 kushm4sta wrote: batsnacks kitaman27 Tehpoofter mderg Damdred -revised list of possible scummers This list is garbage. I think its 4 town and 1 mafia. Put yourself on the list with damdred and 3d12 and bunniies and thats the scumlist. | ||
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3d12 chime in more please. Those voting batsnacks should switch to damdred or kush. These two need to be wagoned. | ||
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On September 05 2014 22:05 Vivax wrote: Would also lynch kush cause he has damdred among the possible scummers but didn't give a shit about the stuff I wrote on him so far. Very authentic scumread. Yeah I think we're both voting scum (just different ones atm) I think we should run them both up. | ||
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On September 05 2014 19:57 kushm4sta wrote: So poorer u disagree about batsnacks why ? Weird how I'm your top scum read due to inactivity, I do stuff, and then you don't even feel the need to comment on it. Its not about the activity its about how much I think you care about the game and you frankly don't seem to care. I thought at first you cared but now I'm just not seeing it like I have before. | ||
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On September 05 2014 23:25 kushm4sta wrote: Read through dsmdred filter on and I'm finding it pretty townie with lots of content So why was he on your scum list 1 page before this was posted? | ||
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On September 06 2014 02:40 kushm4sta wrote: that's a sketchy as fuck thing to base a read on. you aren't me. You don't truly know my current level of caring AND you don't know how business could affect my level of caring. I understand RL takes a part in how you play yesterday I felt shitty so my play was shitty. I however can't take what you say at base value because if you're mafia your entire goal is to lie and deceive me. Frankly in your play I'm not seeing the same kind of kush I normally see when you're town. I'm looking man D1 I had you as my town and even spoke to vivax about why he had you as scum and disagreed. It was based off the same read but the tone felt different at the time. The fact that you're questioning me now on that read when it lands you in the scumpile vs the townpile is sketchy to me. | ||
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On September 06 2014 02:42 kushm4sta wrote: like that is tied up in so much bad meta, and you aren't even considering the recent change in my life situation A lot of players who I respect have ALWAYS talked about that being a good read on you so why would it be bad meta? I get the feeling from your posts that you're scum caught for what you consider a "bad" reason because you're not arguing about how you think I'm wrong but more about how the meta is bad and that its silly that that is the reason. Like subconsciously you know there is a reason but you don't think mine is good. | ||
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On September 06 2014 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: ?? so you had me as town, then my tone changed a little, a now you have me as scum?? that is nebulous. You play one way at the start then you started playing/sounding different so my read flipped. How is that nebulous? | ||
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On September 06 2014 03:17 kushm4sta wrote: during the school year I am often known to have terrible activity d1 or terrible activity for the entire game. Actually last town game I got mislynched d2? i think because of inactivity. It's nebulous because I changed in a way you can only describe as "tone", and you don't point to any specific evidence. Also, if I was acting townie then, and scummy now, what makes my behavior then less telling than my behavior now? I have seen low activity kush look townie based on your give a fuck and like I said I didn't see it this game after a flash of it at the start of the game so activity I understand can be low (I've had low activity the last two games because of that.) I just am not sure I see the the town!kush. I will say this the way you have been posting the last hour or two FEELS more townie in general. Can you give me your feelings on bunny aside from your love proposal? Also What do you think of Oats? I'm assuming you think these people are townie based on your reads list earlier where you left both of them off but apparently you hadn't even read Damdred and he was on your scum list so if you read these people what might you think? | ||
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On September 06 2014 04:25 3d12 wrote: I have been reading. In fact, I've probably been reading more than you would like me to: Here we see one hour separating "batsnacks I think you're scum" and "This idea looks pretty solidly townie." That post from bat was made three days prior. Why did this not have any effect on your read before? And here we are, one hour later, and you're back to "I'm still trying to figure that out." I can't tell if this is an honest approximation of "I'm re-reading and can't come to a conclusion yet" or "shit, I realized my inconsistency and should probably say something noncommittal so I can't be pinned for it." Who wins? Who's next? You decide. This was the kicker though. This post comes between the first two I've quoted timeline-wise, and takes place approximately one hour before you use the same "sketchy" (translation: scummy) reasoning in your post about bat. I'll re-quote it, in case you forgot: So, with my case on the table, I will repeat my ultimatum. You will either post your list of updated reads with reasons for each, post a clear and concise explanation of why bat couldn't be scum, or you will be lynched. Make your choice. Look at 3d12 growing some balls. LOL You kush you going to concede now? | ||
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On September 06 2014 03:53 kitaman27 wrote: A) B) Somebody get this guy a mirror. It's really tempting to lynch him, just so we don't have to hear the "LOL I DID NOTHING AND GOT AWAY WITH IT. SUCK IT TOWN" speech at endgame. I think you should have had more than enough time to put together an ironclad case by now. I guess I'm not seeing what exactly you're calling Obi scum for. Just that he hasn't made his case? | ||
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On September 06 2014 05:08 kushm4sta wrote: poof baby i will make a new list for you (batsnacks) maybe kitaman27 Oatsmaster Vivax (Obiwan) maybe but dont think so mderg 27ninjabunnies This is your scumpile I'm assuming right? | ||
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On September 06 2014 05:29 kitaman27 wrote: For being a hypocrite. He states how he is "disgusted" by others absence and then afks himself. He calls kush out for activity after bragging about doing nothing himself. And yes, I'm also requesting a case. I feel like his attitude is not scumOBI I was scum with him in world cup and he was super reserved and was scared to post. I don't get that vibe from him. I used a similar read in Heavy Weight on him If I remember correctly. I don't like the hypocrisy of being disgusted and afking. That is what I thought Micchan was scum for turns out he was just afk not caring town. I think Obi is town here as well. I would love to hear the case from him though. | ||
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Did we ever get a vote count? Mod plz | ||
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Plz Plz Plz talk more!! We need to hit a mafia today or the game becomes VERY difficult. | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:03 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred Unofficial count since I wanted to see where they are at. I never really though Obi was the best lynch and I guess I'm not very patient with pressuring him. Maybe if I ask nicely, he will post. Please give us a case? -_- Still thinking about who I would prefer between Damdred, bunnies, batsnacks, and kush. At the moment I'm at Damdred. Vivax (1): kush (4): batsnacks (2): 3d (1): Damdred (3): Vivax, ObiWanShinobi, Kita ObiWanShinobi (0): Best mod NA Thanks kita. I really wish I had about 4 different votes. I'd be on kush/damdred/3d/bunnies. It bugs me my pressure on 3d12 was ignored maybe I'm just missing something. I like the people on the damdred wagon it looks pretty good to me. Kush wagon not bad either. | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:49 kushm4sta wrote: AND WHAT THE F DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU KEEPING YOUR OPTIONS OPEN? This is a good point. Idk if you're doing this emotional sort of out burst to appease me but you seem to be giving slightly more than 0 fucks atm. I also don't like 3d being on your wagon. He also hasn't followed up on his ultimatum (Which totally sounds like something that could be a damn mission) ##unvote ##Vote 3d12 Hai I think you're mafia. How do you plead? | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##unvote ##vote kitaman stfu nerd hahaha omg I'm cracking up at work. Thanks for that. | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:23 batsnacks wrote: Obiwan laying down the law. Take that mafia. I don't even know who I'm voting for because the host lost interest after I broke his game or something. Just in case I'm still voting for kush, which I shouldn't be right now. Feel the pressure mafia. ##unvote ##vote: kitaman27 Real vote count please!!! What made you think kush was more townie? | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:45 batsnacks wrote: poofter 3d12 isn't mafia. Just trust me, will you? Vote someone else. Twice I've tried to pressure him this game and twice been denied before he even has a chance to respond(thats just this day if you ignore day 1). I think you can understand I am not just going to trust you off your word. I'd like to see from 3d12 where his heads at. If he convinces me then I'm okay moving off but if not I'm going to pressure someone I think is scummy. | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:55 kitaman27 wrote: Can we be serious for just 60 seconds, that's all I ask. Do you honestly believe that the host was upset with you about your votes for role related reasons? Do you honestly think that he should role claim for this? I find it odd you're talking to him like it would have to be a role that has to do with votes but not calling it a scum thing when this is a game with missions where scum's missions have to keep them in the game and voting things seem like something they might have to do. I don't like this line at all from you kita. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:21 batsnacks wrote: I'm ok with this response. You do what you do you have my full support. Just fyi though 3d12 said "batwagon" and that's hilarious so he's probably not mafia. haha batwagon I missed that its awesome. I appreciate if I could just not have to type things like that out and could just let it simmer as it kinda diminishes any impact it was going to have. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:23 kitaman27 wrote: poofter, do you agree that batsnacks should post his "case in notepad" against me as proof that he is not lying? If he continues to wait, that just gives him time to make one up, that was post 6666 of you soo...... scum claim? I saw what batsnacks posted at the start of the game that was total shit and his case I'd love to see I don't know why he would keep it in notepad. If he had to make one up it probably will be shitty anyways. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:25 kitaman27 wrote: poofter, will you vote with me on him if he refuses to post it? Will you pressure 3d12 with me before then | ||
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kita i underttand about batsnacks ill wont be voting him though cause i think he is town. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote: tehpoofter i thought i was looking townier. what changed? Ilet me get to my computer been reading the thread on my iPad in bed | ||
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You keep throwing people in and out of your reads in a way I honestly can't follow. It screams of an agenda to me. You also have only started caring since I brought it up and as I was reading this morning I honestly felt like you were really disconnected with the thread just like when I read your posts they didn't seem to flow with what was going on despite you being in the thread and active. I think this is because you're just not paying your fullest attention. This post doesn't even mention damdred at all who is in my opinion the only other lynch I'd consider outside of you today after 3d12 responded in a messed up way and did that thing like batsnacks that just was too weird to be scum imo. On September 07 2014 02:23 kushm4sta wrote: ok so realistically it's between 3d and batsnacks right now is that correct? I think in this next post here which was much later you have given up on both of those wagons and now have these. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if mderg was a scumbuddy and you threw him in here late to look good if he gets modkilled. Again no damdred. On September 07 2014 02:40 kushm4sta wrote: Oatsmaster Tehpoofter mderg 27ninjabunnies either this contains the scumteam or someone is fucking with me Then in this post here very recently. On September 07 2014 03:47 kushm4sta wrote: batsnacks, why bunnies over damdred? Suddenly bunnies not as good as damdred? He wasn't even on your lists and suddenly hes like your why aren't you voting this guy scum? I can't follow your evolution of reads here. I also think I'm on a wagon with 3 other town. I think that you've been under scrutiny for good reasons. I think you tried to give me what I read you as town for but I think its a veil I think you're scum. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:06 kitaman27 wrote: poofter, again why kush over damdred? Previous post but I think also Kush is a better player than damdred I'd rather cut the head off the beast. I will not be shedding any tears if damdred gets lynch today at all. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:40 kushm4sta wrote: Oatsmaster Tehpoofter mderg 27ninjabunnies either this contains the scumteam or someone is fucking with me On September 07 2014 03:00 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote damdred These two are 20 minutes apart you read his whole filter after posting your top 4 scums you read some random filter and flipped? I'm calling bullshit on that. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:14 Vivax wrote: Kita also has a good shot at being scum, and the fact that his activity only surges like that very closely to deadline is suspicious in itself. It's the best time to sway people and displays more of his intent to get HIS lynch rather than figuring shit out before it's too late. Is he not active on off days during this time? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Look, I'm really not confident in the kush wagon at all. Someone give me a votecount and a damn good reason not to vote Batsnacks instead. Who on the wagon do you think is scum? I think its me/3d12/oats/vivax and you I have all of you on my town list with the most scummy being 3d12 and after today hes gone more townie. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:18 Vivax wrote: I won't deny that batsnacks has a good shot at being scum, like I stated earlier. But in these last minutes my doubts are mostly fueled by observing my other possible scummers jump around, and they seem like they want to jump away from kush and onto bats. Batsnacks wagon: Bunnies (scummy inactive) kitaman (townie) 3d12 (townie) kush (scummy) Kush wagon Me (Town) Vivax (My top town) Oats master (Townie) I'm so much more confident in kush being mafia than batsnacks. The people questioning and pushing on kush for the most part have been townie he is all over the place. Batsnacks I think is townie in my eyes. The other wagon should be damdred not batsnacks imo he is way more likely to be red than batsnacks imo. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:21 Vivax wrote: The world cup filter literally screams that this isn't town kush. look at heavy weight too its night and day. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: I went to arbys and ate with my wife pulled over so I could make eod. I didntexpect mush to be up for lunch, he's town ##unvote ##vote batsnacks further confirmation of the batsnacks lynch being a town wagon. KUSH OR DAMDRED NEEDS TO DIE TODAY | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:28 Damdred wrote: I'm the cop checked kish he's green hahahaahahaha lynch damdred/kush any other this is like for sure a fake claim. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:30 batsnacks wrote: STOP IT KUSH. DAMDRED JUST CLAIMED SCUM WHAT ARE YOU DOING? hes buddies with him bats. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote: i have no idea what saves me not that cop claim. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote: oo maybe he will actually flip cop then in confirmed green. or hes lying and we win. ALL VOTE DAMDRED | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:33 kitaman27 wrote: But why does poofter stay on kush when you have a green check on kush. You either lynch the cop or the other wagon in that spot. oh fuck me my vote didn't post didn't post what in the literal fuck!!! | ||
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