Mission Mini Mafia

On August 27 2014 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
better believe it

On August 27 2014 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
impossible this game bcz not playing

On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.

##vote 27nb

On September 02 2014 05:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Hi Hi.

Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that.

On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote:

I think it's too early to really worry about the missions as we have absolutely no idea what those missions look like. Thinking too much about the missions may just lead to focusing on unimportant details without getting good reads.

IMO proper reads > catching people on missions

On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:


True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.

For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.

Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.

On September 02 2014 06:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm here, but you voted me to die.

I thought we were friends, Banks.

Damn, that vote hurts.

As for the rest of you scrubs, hi.

So here's how we are going to do it. Tehpoof has 3 chances to say wolf. When he hits number 4 I'm voting him.

You've already said it once. 3 more, and you are out buddy.

On September 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote:

I like the idea behind this. If we try to make the missions fail, it has to be a collective town effort. That way scum would be forced to stand out, if they want to complete their mission.


I find it highly unlikely that something like this could break a mission.

On September 02 2014 06:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:



##Vote:Tehpoofter

I don't have a mission, but you deserve to die

On September 02 2014 06:29 mderg wrote:

We can do that, if you want. I don't like your alternative words, though. I'd rather have "good guys" and "bad guys"

On September 02 2014 06:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Meh, possible, but unlikely....I mean the word part atleast.

On September 02 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:
Seems like I am playing then.
Will start looking at the game in~30 minutes when I get back to my dorm

On September 02 2014 06:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Yeah, I vote usually before then anyway.

That's okay. You can not like me all you want

I am curious though as to why I was the first vote.

On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.

##vote 27nb

On September 02 2014 06:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:
That's not templar, I don't think.

Also, I thought me and obiwan were StarWars buddies, but apparently not.

On September 02 2014 06:49 mderg wrote:

You don't like my incredibly creative words?

On September 02 2014 06:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Ouch.
Much hurt.

Anyway, so I'm off to work. Have fun convincing people I'm scum day 1!

On September 02 2014 08:11 The_Templar wrote:

That's because the entire game is superficial so far.

On September 02 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Hi guys, just got home a few ago and caught up.

I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the EoD. Though I do not think that we need to drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out exactly what the mission is. We need to develop our reads and reasoning behind having the people up for lynch and every night cycle or day cycle look into how people are voting and see if there are any trends that people take together.

Also just curious when you say cut the day short by an hour and just move all votes to the person who has the majority, doesn't that make our options kind of small and cause a tunnel on that person. If we go that way there really isn't much in the way of vote analysis to go with its just everyone pushed their votes on that one person and we can't see voting patterns for that time period when its important I guess is what i'm saying. That part worries me a bit.

On September 02 2014 10:37 kushm4sta wrote:


fuck off

On September 02 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:

These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.

I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.

On September 02 2014 10:39 Vivax wrote:
Hey kush, do you have three suspects?

On September 02 2014 11:10 Vivax wrote:
Kush y so angry

On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times.

On September 02 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:

Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.

I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)

On September 02 2014 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:


Day 1 scum mission - make a post with a bazillion words in it

On September 02 2014 11:43 The_Templar wrote:
I don't think 3d12 is particularly bad yet. Agreeing with people that look like they know what they're doing as a newbie is perfectly normal so far.

On September 02 2014 11:53 kushm4sta wrote:
dude aren't you married to bunnies or some shit

On September 02 2014 11:58 Vivax wrote:


Such a dry answer.

On September 02 2014 12:01 kushm4sta wrote:
are you her boyfriend though?

On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote:
Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum.

In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value.

On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?

On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote:
Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it.

We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies.

On September 02 2014 12:14 Vivax wrote:


Yeah but townies buddy too, it's then called town circle and I don't see how you decide that I'm scum buddying over town buddying.

On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.




Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread.

On September 02 2014 12:18 Vivax wrote:
I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread.

On September 02 2014 12:27 Vivax wrote:
I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter.

Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure.

If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky.

There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however.

On September 02 2014 12:27 The_Templar wrote:

And it was odd because you said "Let's change the discussion to ___" when we were recently discussing it

On September 02 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down for a Batsnacks plynch.

##unvote
##vote batsnacks

Shouldn't be posting nonsense in a setup where nonsense could be scum's objective.

On September 02 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote:


You're the bbygirl doofus.

Also you're a lazy bum if that's your final decision.

On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talking about missions is bad, also dont do it.

Obi, why did you vote for bunnies at the start of the game?

just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.

On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
I thought a bit about how to deal with missions. And I came to the conclusion that we should ignore them completely. We have no idea what those missions are, so it's difficult to make them fail.Our time is probably much better spent thinking about the players.

Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.

On September 03 2014 05:46 The_Templar wrote:

that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards.
To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.

On September 03 2014 05:47 mderg wrote:

If mafia does weird ass things they're still doing weird ass things, regardless of us thinking about the missions.

On September 03 2014 06:02 The_Templar wrote:

probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post.

On September 03 2014 06:03 The_Templar wrote:
I'm off to dinner/class for the next 3.5 hours, see you all later

On September 03 2014 06:21 mderg wrote:

I think playing out of the ordinary to make missions fail can also hurt town. Especially if mafia has a "good" idea to stop a potential mission that might make us play suboptimal. I just don't like the idea of making big changes to our play for the off chance of figuring out a mission.

What makes him scummy to me is that he made the long post focusing only on one person and then only coming to a soft conclusion like that.

On September 03 2014 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:


how so

On September 03 2014 06:35 mderg wrote:


These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though.

On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote:
3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone.
I also don't think he's scum.

Scum is among this bunch imo:

- Templar
- Kush
- Kita
- 27nb
- micchan

On September 03 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:


Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way?

On September 03 2014 06:44 mderg wrote:

I agree that it would require bold mafia play. I don't think it would narrow down the pool of mafia very much, though.

The newbie bonus part is odd, yes. If he fears that the newbie bonus he's giving is too large it should have some kind of influence on the read.

On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote:
Its only the start of the phase #mess

On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote:
Ok here whatever
Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn...

On September 03 2014 02:31 Micchan wrote:
Im not lurking yesterday ...just after i made my first post something happened and i need to go thats just it

On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote:
The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted.

##unvote

@tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan?

On September 03 2014 07:38 batsnacks wrote:


None of micchans posts have made me think anything about his alignment. I do think he is probably the easiest target right now though, right ahead of 3d12 who you also scum read.

On September 03 2014 08:22 kushm4sta wrote:
but who would you fuck

On September 03 2014 08:24 batsnacks wrote:


he said he would bang vivax

On September 03 2014 07:25 batsnacks wrote:
The OP says a voting thread will be used. I should probably take my vote off templar in that case. I didn't think it would count when I voted.

##unvote

@tehpoofter : Are you intentionally choosing easy targets? Also your vote was already on micchan?

On September 03 2014 02:32 The_Templar wrote:

this forum only speaks english

On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote:
List post time.

Mostly Townish

Tehpoofter - Wouldn't look into on day one due to activity. Generally agreeable.

Vivax is an incredibly lazy scum from my experience, which isn't on par from what we've seen so far, which makes me lean town. He did pick up a spot where templar seemed to change opinions about myself, which shows he is reading. Wouldn't lynch.

mderg - This is kinda silly but I'm leaning town due to "I thought a bit about how to deal with missions". The mafia team obviously wouldn't think about how to deal with the missions. It's always possible that he is mafia pretending to think about them to throw us off, but I'm not leaning that way right now.

Damdred - "I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the Eo" This quote shows interest in generating a plan, which is generally townie thing to say. Again, probably a silly thing to make a read off of, but he would have to look pretty bad the second half of the day to consider lynching.

batsnacks - "I don't know who are mafia yet" is generally something a townie will say earlier on in my opinion. Need more content.

The_Templar - Townie....I think.

obi does seem just as....blunt I suppose I'm look for....in the past games that I looked through as both alignments. I don't have a great feel one way or the other here.

Scummyish

oats is flying under the radar, which I associate with the last time he was scum that we played together. Effort seems suspect based on mentioning how he can't remember certain details multiple times. His posts make me think he has read the last 3-5 posts in the thread, picked one of them to reply to and moved on.

kush is someone I usually think is scum. Whenever I look through his past games, as soon as I think I've found a pattern, he flips the opposite alignment and I need to throw the idea out the window. His speculation about templar having to post a "long post" as a mission was really poor and I don't see that as something a town player sees as likely so I have him closer to mafia than town right now, but I'd probably want to hear more opinions from others about his overall play so far.

Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now.

I want to reread 3d since there were a bunch of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way, but I want to avoid the confirmation bias. I've ignored bunnies for the most part so I will reread her as well. I remember that she was commenting about a few things way past it being relevant, but that's about it.

On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote:

Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.

Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.

Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game)
Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?

On September 03 2014 11:17 The_Templar wrote:

That is not what I said. I said that I've been subconsciously giving him points for a newbie. I have been realizing my mistake before I post though and re-evaluate my opinions on him, remembering not to give him points for being a noob

On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:

Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red.
Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?

On September 03 2014 11:21 Damdred wrote:
Few questions for you bats:

Why did you initially vote Templar and give no explanation and then unvote him? Did he do something to deserve your unvote?

You also pay attention to 3d posting and conclude that he has sounded that way since before the game started. Do you think that his ideas and reactions are towny in nature? I know you said you thought his apologetic tone wasn't scummy.

I must say bat this is not the normal town Bats i'm used to normally you are pretty crazy, which you showed with your first two posts (what was the first post from btw). But your posts feel really formulaic atm and it worries me.

On September 03 2014 11:23 The_Templar wrote:

Lol you wish that I thought that. Read my post again. I clearly state I want to see content out of him before I decide on him.


I was a bit scattered when I read 3d12. I was definitely not expecting to be asked about him as I didn't really consider him too much before rushing out a read (I had to go to class soon).

Fair point about my similar play. Feel free to point out similarities between me right now and a previous mafia member all you want. Try not to judge too much because you really don't know how constant (or spontaneous) my play is between mafia and town, no matter what you think.

On September 03 2014 11:26 The_Templar wrote:
Just realized I have not looked at Damdred all game yet. Need to update my reads list.

On September 03 2014 11:33 Vivax wrote:


But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town.

Why act so mad now?

On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote:


I'll answer the second question first.

Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit.

The people who I would like to see more out of right now are:

Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that.

Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. This is the worrying part to me, Bunnies talks about shooting people over gut feelings and saying that Bats is a third party (hypothetically). Has not returned to the thread yet and responded to why she would want to direct vig at this point to make a kill and push us towards lylo over nothing.

Micchan for the reasons listed above

3D i'm not really sure about yet, he seems awkward which is not alignment indicative but he at least gives his views in the thread and then tries toe xplain himself. So more of a I want to see more of his thoughts.

On September 03 2014 11:46 Vivax wrote:


Kush is very capable of looking townie, as town. He will look interested and engaged and I will generally get the right vibe from him.

As scum he talks a lot about irrelevant stuff and you will get the feeling that he doesn't care, he will usually join wagons on townies in a way that doesn't leave much room for alternatives (as in, he doesn't really care about other options).

On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together.

What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread?

On September 03 2014 11:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Someone ask me some questions or some shit.

On September 03 2014 11:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


19/f/cali

hbu?

On September 03 2014 12:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I love how almost everyone is okay with me doing nothing.

On September 03 2014 12:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I never post reads dude. I always hide them until I have an ironclad case or unless I have a really strong townread, of which I have neither.

Also, I haven't even read Micchan yet. I'm gonna be honest and say I really don't give a shit about him at all because he looks boring.

On September 03 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Apparently, lool.

On September 03 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I almost never post reads lists so I don't know why you're having an issue with me not doing it now.

On September 03 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm super tempted to start doing the Oberyn thing again though.

On September 03 2014 12:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Go read Showdown and find out.

On September 03 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I can't tell if you're saying this because he's genuinely boring or if you're being a smug asshole.

Is it both? It's probably both.

On September 04 2014 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i think flashes is a better metaphor there than flares

On September 03 2014 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:
@poofter, what were you referring to when you said kush had a good amount of content? Like specific posts?

On September 04 2014 06:05 batsnacks wrote:
Picking easy targets is good they said. Lynch the low hanging fruit they said. Well now the doctor is dead and none of you have reads because the doctor never said anything.

On September 04 2014 06:39 batsnacks wrote:


I was busy.

Why ask me these questions now and not when you are imagining they would be important? This discussion is meaningless now.

On September 04 2014 06:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You are literally lying if you claim that you were busy because you made your giant kita post and then posted your nonsensical scumreads on bunnies and me.

On September 04 2014 06:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Honestly, I think we should just kill him tomorrow. Too many afk people on the Mic wagon to make it happen day 1, but day 2 is entirely possible.

On September 04 2014 07:05 batsnacks wrote:


ebwop: poofter why did you say I was right? This is a really weird thing to say considering I was the only person who voted kitaman27. Do you think I was right about kitaman27?

On September 04 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:


I never said that. Those were his words. Why did he say I was right? I -NEVER- insinuated that I was right. The only thing I said was that I didn't sheep the easiest target d1, like most people did. So why is he saying that I was right?

On September 04 2014 07:16 batsnacks wrote:
Dude I have never said micchan was a townie. Never. The only thing I have said about micchan, and I said it -after- the lynch, was that he was a bad lynch.

On September 04 2014 07:21 batsnacks wrote:


That was after the lynch. Aren't you trying to say that I did knowingly let micchan die without defending him, while thinking he was town? I can quote where you said that, you know.

On September 04 2014 07:52 kushm4sta wrote:
so are you actually gay poofter? cause poofter is slang for homosexual. Is that why you rejected ninjabunnies?

On September 04 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Bats bats bats.

His first post, I regret not putting more weight into it initially.
Anyway I googled that shit and it's from some I ching or book of changes.
So basically this guy, for no apparent reason decides to quote some pages from a book of some religion or fuck knows what.

His later play is super serious.
I've read a little of bats in cell mini where he got mislynched, and well.. He started trolly, and he stayed trolly.

Here he starts trolly, and then goes tryhard. No explanation for his first post yet.

So maybe it was his mission to post that stuff and instead of slowly working his way up to a reason to post it, he just decided to jump into the cold water by posting it first and seeing what would happen.

All this stuff is a bit tinfoil I know, but... ONE explanation is better than none, and it doesn't sit right with me that it got skipped over so easily (which was also my fault). If bats was town, mafia would have tried to capitalize on it at some point, probably.

On September 04 2014 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lynch all the people who overexpained their vote on micchien.

Mderg and another guy.

On September 04 2014 10:43 Vivax wrote:


If kush is mafia it's not cause of that. At least I didn't pay especially attention to it.
Problem with kush being is that he doesn't display the fucks he usually gives when he wants to win as town. Read his showdown filter for example.

Right now I'm more concerned with finding other scum but I'm feeling pretty confident on kush given his D1 performance.

On September 04 2014 11:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I just checked his filter. I'd hardly call that overly explaining his vote.

On September 05 2014 06:16 3d12 wrote:
Heya Poofter. I was here, but I'm almost done with work. I'd suggest Templar's filter, if you're looking for a place to start. There's a few interesting tidbits in there that might be worth further investigation.

Also, what happened to that reads list you were going to post last night? You seemed fairly confident last time you posted one, so just because you wagoned a mislynch that means all your reads are off?

On September 05 2014 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm about to drive home so I can't chat now, but I remember kush caught me as scum once for asking this exact question.

On September 05 2014 07:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Batsnacks.

I really wanted to kill Vivax.... but after talking with him last night, I'm starting to like him.

Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

On September 05 2014 07:34 batsnacks wrote:
I think I will vote obiwan or kitaman today.

Obiwan why do you want to get me lynched so bad? You have been after me since the beginning.

On September 05 2014 08:05 batsnacks wrote:


Bold has been noted but that isn't something I would do as scum. I only get miffed and taunt people when I'm town. I can understand you hating that I reacted to the mislynch that way. As town my posting tends to be stream of consciousness. I don't think a lot about what I'm posting I just... post.

On September 05 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote:


I went back and tried to find a game or two where he was mafia. I found Doctor Who mafia or something. He posted a lot of gifs and one liners that game but there were some good posts. That had, at the time, diminished my scum read of him but he is someone I keep going back to. If I were a day vigi I would consider shooting him, but it would feel selfish.

Do you think anything of the mission stuff I said to him? About how he was scum and his mission could be he has to vote with the majority.

On September 05 2014 10:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I really can't get over how weird the Templar kill was.

Who shoots Templar? What does scum get out of it? The dude basically claimed not blue earlier in the game, so rolefishing is out.

On September 05 2014 10:12 kitaman27 wrote:


I was leaning on scum d1, but I'll add to my to-do list.

On September 05 2014 10:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't really switch my read on 3d12. I haven't actually read him since EoD.

And I'm probably not going to for a while. I don't think he's on the lynch table as of right now because there are far bigger players roaming around right now.

On September 05 2014 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:


Can't say I have a great way of reading him, but the biggest thing would probably be that he tends to be along for the ride as scum, while as town he will have flashes of opinions without being prompted.

On September 05 2014 10:18 Vivax wrote:
Kush is probably the most underestimated town player on TL. He has become a scum wrecking ball.

On September 05 2014 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Really don't care for your 3d vote by the way. Would not fry.

On September 05 2014 10:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote kush
Damdred you are cooking slowly but kush requires a bigger fire

On September 05 2014 11:08 Damdred wrote:
3d Is Mafia, he is quickly moving up my scum charts. Ever since his big post explaining his reads and his lurking and jumping on the hot wagon makes me think hes scum plus his read evolution is odd.

I initially scum read bunnies but going back and rereading her filter, she answered all the questions posed to her. And I am starting to fade pink read her going towards green. She has actually asked some decent questions and pushed whats appearing to be a decent counter wagon on bats and has put pressure on him.

Also my statement about oats still stands, if hes so sure that i'm the lynch today then theirs no reason to go after kush. Build a case on me instead of saying gotta roast kush some before.

And if all it takes to scum read me is me explaining why i'm voting the way i am....we should vote poof off. Also if you look at most of my past games I always hold my vote late 100% of the time. In Guilty Rayn roasts me about my vote as well as other people do and I answer the same thing I do now, I like holding my vote longer so that I can get as much information before I decide on a vote.

On September 05 2014 11:17 Damdred wrote:
Mush is interesting to me. I've read a few of his games during the night, and well it looks a bit more like storm 2 mush then titanic mush or showdown. So just from a meta, I would say he looks a bit scummy

On September 05 2014 11:43 kitaman27 wrote:


Does this actually ever happen in practice? I doubt it.

On September 05 2014 11:39 kitaman27 wrote:
mderg
+ Show Spoiler +

If you have any interest in breaking this trend, now is really the point where you're going to need to quadruple your activity. People may be giving you a pass right now, but if you're town you're going to need to get in front of things before they're out of your control considering you decided not to post during the night cycle.

On September 05 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Back from work. Really depressed. I only made 25$.

@Banks- the answer to your question is below.
When kush asked if you had a good read on me, I wanted to say, sure, of course he does.
Your read is bad. Sooo bad.



So with kush, tbh I don't know. He says stuff that I really hate that makes me just want to lynch him.
Then he says stuff that I actually agree with.

He's null for me. I never can read him. But if I had to choose between lynching him and kita (I'm going for the Ks here, and also, some people have expressed lynching kita which I disagree with) it'll be kush.



Not me



What makes you think I would kill him?
I don't. Not mafia. Plus, he was my top town. Like towniest of town to me, even though others were reading him super scummy.

I'm pretty sure I'm one of the only ones who expressed a solid town read on him.
Plus with me being the only one (im not sure if its true, but i think i was the only one) to read him as town basically, why kill him off? That's just weird.

On September 05 2014 12:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I do some filtering in a few hours maybe. Please understand that I'm busy. Your meta s are not accounting for that. You are comparing me to town games when I had a lot of time to play. I am fucking phone posting and it sucks. Really I am arguing for my own nullness but I feel likei have to because everybody is misrepresenting my meta

On September 05 2014 12:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Did you even read my filter before pushing me poof? I said bat snacks was confirmed scum

On September 05 2014 12:15 Vivax wrote:


You said you found his posts scummy and that lurking wasn't inherently scummy.
Lurking you now call lack of trying.

No way, man. This smells like an excuse.

##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

On September 05 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

That doesnt mean you have to vote for someone everyone else thinks is scum.
Literally you can vote ANYONE ELSE. Why was Micchan the best option and why afk people means you MUST FOR FOR HIM.

On September 05 2014 12:49 kitaman27 wrote:
What do you think about the above Vivax?

On September 05 2014 14:19 kushm4sta wrote:
batsnacks
kitaman27
Tehpoofter
mderg
Damdred

-revised list of possible scummers

On September 05 2014 22:05 Vivax wrote:
Would also lynch kush cause he has damdred among the possible scummers but didn't give a shit about the stuff I wrote on him so far.

Very authentic scumread.

On September 05 2014 19:57 kushm4sta wrote:
So poorer u disagree about batsnacks why ? Weird how I'm your top scum read due to inactivity, I do stuff, and then you don't even feel the need to comment on it.

On September 05 2014 23:25 kushm4sta wrote:
Read through dsmdred filter on and I'm finding it pretty townie with lots of content

On September 06 2014 02:40 kushm4sta wrote:


that's a sketchy as fuck thing to base a read on. you aren't me. You don't truly know my current level of caring AND you don't know how business could affect my level of caring.

On September 06 2014 02:42 kushm4sta wrote:
like that is tied up in so much bad meta, and you aren't even considering the recent change in my life situation

On September 06 2014 02:45 kushm4sta wrote:
?? so you had me as town, then my tone changed a little, a now you have me as scum?? that is nebulous.

On September 06 2014 03:17 kushm4sta wrote:

during the school year I am often known to have terrible activity d1 or terrible activity for the entire game. Actually last town game I got mislynched d2? i think because of inactivity.


It's nebulous because I changed in a way you can only describe as "tone", and you don't point to any specific evidence. Also, if I was acting townie then, and scummy now, what makes my behavior then less telling than my behavior now?

On September 06 2014 04:25 3d12 wrote:


I have been reading. In fact, I've probably been reading more than you would like me to:





Here we see one hour separating "batsnacks I think you're scum" and "This idea looks pretty solidly townie." That post from bat was made three days prior. Why did this not have any effect on your read before?



And here we are, one hour later, and you're back to "I'm still trying to figure that out." I can't tell if this is an honest approximation of "I'm re-reading and can't come to a conclusion yet" or "shit, I realized my inconsistency and should probably say something noncommittal so I can't be pinned for it." Who wins? Who's next? You decide.



This was the kicker though. This post comes between the first two I've quoted timeline-wise, and takes place approximately one hour before you use the same "sketchy" (translation: scummy) reasoning in your post about bat. I'll re-quote it, in case you forgot:



So, with my case on the table, I will repeat my ultimatum. You will either post your list of updated reads with reasons for each, post a clear and concise explanation of why bat couldn't be scum, or you will be lynched. Make your choice.

On September 06 2014 03:53 kitaman27 wrote:
A)



B)



Somebody get this guy a mirror.

It's really tempting to lynch him, just so we don't have to hear the "LOL I DID NOTHING AND GOT AWAY WITH IT. SUCK IT TOWN" speech at endgame.



I think you should have had more than enough time to put together an ironclad case by now.

On September 06 2014 05:08 kushm4sta wrote:
poof baby i will make a new list for you

(batsnacks) maybe
kitaman27
Oatsmaster
Vivax
(Obiwan) maybe but dont think so
mderg
27ninjabunnies

On September 06 2014 05:29 kitaman27 wrote:


For being a hypocrite. He states how he is "disgusted" by others absence and then afks himself. He calls kush out for activity after bragging about doing nothing himself. And yes, I'm also requesting a case.

On September 06 2014 08:03 kitaman27 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

Unofficial count since I wanted to see where they are at.

I never really though Obi was the best lynch and I guess I'm not very patient with pressuring him. Maybe if I ask nicely, he will post.

Please give us a case? -_-

Still thinking about who I would prefer between Damdred, bunnies, batsnacks, and kush. At the moment I'm at Damdred.

Vivax (1): batsnacks
kush (4): Vivax, Oats, poofter, batsnacks, 3d
batsnacks (2): ObiWanShinobi, 3d, kush, bunnies
3d (1): poofter
Damdred (3): Vivax, ObiWanShinobi, Kita
ObiWanShinobi (0): Kita

On September 06 2014 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:
AND WHAT THE F DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU KEEPING YOUR OPTIONS OPEN?

On September 06 2014 09:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
##unvote
##vote kitaman

stfu nerd