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I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread.
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It's a bunch of
K:"there's this but let's wait and see"
TT: "K discussing this but white"
TT." tis actually scummy"
TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy"
et cetera
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And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location.
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I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter.
Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure.
If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky.
There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however.
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On September 02 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't think anything about her. She hasn't done anything yet to warrant my attention.
Honestly, there's not really a whole lot that stands out to me right now. A lot of people are pushing/talking about convoluted shit that I don't really care about.
I'm really not going to get batsnacks' shitpost out of my head for a while and I'd rather just kill him and be done with it.
You're the bbygirl doofus.
Also you're a lazy bum if that's your final decision.
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3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone.
I also don't think he's scum.
Scum is among this bunch imo:
- Templar
- Kush
- Kita
- 27nb
- micchan
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On September 03 2014 06:47 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote:
3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone.
I also don't think he's scum.
Scum is among this bunch imo:
- Templar
- Kush
- Kita
- 27nb
- micchan We might be friends this game. I am 4/5 on scum reads with you. Kush being the only exception. What makes you read kush as scum? I'd also have 3d12 in the scum pile in his place. Vote Micchan with me that dude is scum. Complains about the mess activity and fucks off comes back and throws scum on the person being scum read by lots of people then defends himself with his 3 posts like thats his whole filter. I'm going to case him in a second so once I've posted you can just say "wow great post poofter" and vote.
Kush is possibly scum cause I wasn't able to say he's supertown yet.
Don't see scumminess in 3d12's posts so I prefer to keep him in my town pile.
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So bats, do you think in terms of who is easy to lynch or in terms of who is town or not.
You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense.
You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve.
So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp.
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On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post.  Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way.
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It's astonishingly similar to the post you claimed to not have liked initially and I was waiting to see if you would pick up on it.
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On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet? Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter.
Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
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On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 10:48 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet? Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all. Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd. It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread. Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town.
Why act so mad now?
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On September 03 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:33 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 10:48 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet? Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all. Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd. It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread. Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now? But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town. Why act so mad now? I never said I found your behavior odd. I said you could be red even though you had the same opinions as him, and that I didn't really see a townie mindset from you. I suppose you interpreted the mindset part as accusing you of red but that wasn't my intention. While I happened to have a pink read on you, I did not accuse you of scum, it's just you didn't act terribly pro-town.
So am I red for lacking the townieness poofter thought to have seen or cause you saw something scummy you didn't mention yet.
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On September 03 2014 11:39 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:33 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 10:48 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet? Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all. Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd. It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread. Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now? But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town. Why act so mad now? Yeah we're going to be friends this game. Yo vivax I might propose to you if I feel the need to update my BMK. This line of questions you've been asking all game seems townie to me. How do you get your read on kush? for me its "does he seem to give a shit" if yes = town if no = mafia. So far he seemed to give a shit earlier now not so much. I think thats the read we had different so want to know more about that read.
Kush is very capable of looking townie, as town. He will look interested and engaged and I will generally get the right vibe from him.
As scum he talks a lot about irrelevant stuff and you will get the feeling that he doesn't care, he will usually join wagons on townies in a way that doesn't leave much room for alternatives (as in, he doesn't really care about other options).
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On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together.
What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread?
What about it? He mentioned what he found worthy of mention and that in a blunt, not convoluted way, so overall I don't see anything scummy about mderg.
He also made an observation about templar's longish post which was legit, cause imo that's how scum would post. Like, they don't know what to talk about, so templar goes for post by post analysis with a short commentary to each and then quickly bases all his reads off of what he analysed.
It just seems so...stretched. You usually see something and think "oh that doesn't look good for bsbsbs" and then mention it to the thread. I don't know templar well but that method of scumhunting doesn't seem genuine to me cause it reads like he had trouble thinking of something to talk about so he would just talk about...a lot of different things and then make his scumhunting alibi out of it.
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On September 03 2014 12:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I never post reads dude. I always hide them until I have an ironclad case or unless I have a really strong townread, of which I have neither.
Also, I haven't even read Micchan yet. I'm gonna be honest and say I really don't give a shit about him at all because he looks boring.
Where's town hero duelist Obi?
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