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On August 24 2014 07:04 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 06:57 turtlevine wrote:On August 24 2014 06:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 06:52 turtlevine wrote:On August 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 06:24 turtlevine wrote:
there's once was a player named jat
who generally acted like a total asshat
when playing this game
he makes the experience lame
I'm tempted to vote him to stop that Thanks for asking him to "stop that" But it matters not if he is an asshat You seem to know him And given his filter a skim So what is the alignment of Jat? Jat's conversations and great and many especially with the dying hapahauli if he were cred-seeking scum he wouldn't be such a chum to someone we'd so soon bury It's possible about him I'm wrong and he's surely and enormous dong but today we should focus on hapa and xatalos on whom the cases are much more strong What about yamato? He just practically claimed scum. where Check my post on this page. I hoped it was not the case that your reasoning was so base giving up can be done just cause of not-fun not because of alignment in this case you could say something no matter your role for example "hello" or other statements droll what meta cases MUST show (this you should know) is that there's a basic demonstrably repeatable difference between the person's town and scum game. For example, someone could always say "hello everyone" as scum, but unless they don't ever do it as town, it's not good evidence for them being scum. Even if they only do it as scum, you need to show that they've been in similar situations as town and not done it. you'll need to do better than that if you want my vote to... roll.
It's just that he gave up pretty much exactly in the same manner, in the same tone, and even at the same time of day (lol). The only difference is that he said he doesn't have enough "time" instead of "motivation" to prevent getting lynched. I don't think that's a significant difference though. Like if he's tight on time, why not just try your best while you have time? (town yamato should be excited about the approaching deadline, like in Vendetta Strada, but here he's all *but* excited)
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On August 24 2014 07:14 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:12 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:04 turtlevine wrote:On August 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 06:57 turtlevine wrote:On August 24 2014 06:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 06:52 turtlevine wrote:On August 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 06:24 turtlevine wrote:
there's once was a player named jat
who generally acted like a total asshat
when playing this game
he makes the experience lame
I'm tempted to vote him to stop that Thanks for asking him to "stop that" But it matters not if he is an asshat You seem to know him And given his filter a skim So what is the alignment of Jat? Jat's conversations and great and many especially with the dying hapahauli if he were cred-seeking scum he wouldn't be such a chum to someone we'd so soon bury It's possible about him I'm wrong and he's surely and enormous dong but today we should focus on hapa and xatalos on whom the cases are much more strong What about yamato? He just practically claimed scum. where Check my post on this page. I hoped it was not the case that your reasoning was so base giving up can be done just cause of not-fun not because of alignment in this case you could say something no matter your role for example "hello" or other statements droll what meta cases MUST show (this you should know) is that there's a basic demonstrably repeatable difference between the person's town and scum game. For example, someone could always say "hello everyone" as scum, but unless they don't ever do it as town, it's not good evidence for them being scum. Even if they only do it as scum, you need to show that they've been in similar situations as town and not done it. you'll need to do better than that if you want my vote to... roll. It's just that he gave up pretty much exactly in the same manner, in the same tone, and even at the same time of day (lol). The only difference is that he said he doesn't have enough "time" instead of "motivation" to prevent getting lynched. I don't think that's a significant difference though. Like if he's tight on time, why not just try your best while you have time? (town yamato should be excited about the approaching deadline, like in Vendetta Strada, but here he's all *but* excited) You're still missing the point. It doesn't matter how similar this is to something he did as scum, it has to be something he also doesn't do as town, even in similar situations, and it has to be consistent. That's how meta works. Stop missing the point.
Read here for town yamato approach to deadline: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&page=20
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I was actually just looking at that. There he went AFK for the deadline, true, but he never showed any signs of resignation like here. And look at this post:
On August 20 2014 01:21 yamato77 wrote:
no, we're lynching poofter
dissent will be punished
Has yamato actually posted anything like that yet here? He posted a lot of similar "I'm right, whoever disagrees is scum" posts in Vendetta Strada too. Not once here.
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And not once in the PYP game either.
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In conclusion:
1) Town yamato doesn't make posts where he "gives up", scum yamato does
2) Town yamato is confident and aggro on players who disagree with him, scum yamato is not
Scum fits perfectly in this game for him.
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Based on these heuristics I mean.
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On August 24 2014 07:34 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 23:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 21 2014 21:48 Damdred wrote:
Also the push on you wasn't that crazy, i still stand behind your reads were really lacking this game and you can say I asked small questions which i did cause i wanted you more involved at that point than just posting one liners and your reasons for voteing poof were horrrrrribbbleeee and then you started soft claiming Well yeah I'll admit that scumhunting is the weakest part of my play. That's why my reads are generally pretty weak at the early stages of the game and slowly get better from there when I can see vote movements, deadline behaviour, night actions, roleclaims etc. I guess this game wasn't really my ideal game since there was so little to form reads with  Like many players had only 1-3 pages of filter. This is from arnie. And your approach to Yamato seems so unlike your normal play Xat....
See my filter in the PYP game. Once I found yamato scum I pushed him until he died.
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On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I really don't like what Xata has done here.
Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch.
Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him.
I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility.
If you think so then vote yamato. Doesn't matter to me if you think I'm bussing.
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On August 24 2014 07:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I really don't like what Xata has done here.
Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch.
Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him.
I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. If you think so then vote yamato. Doesn't matter to me if you think I'm bussing. I want you to explain your logic. You are now sure yamata is mafia but you are pretty sure rayn is scum and hapa is still town. So how can you be sure yam is mafia if you are sure rayn is mafia considering yam went hard against rayn. you have no logical consistency, this is the only consistent aspect of your play.
I'm more confident in yamato being scum than rayn being scum atm. That's all there is. Besides rayn hasn't *really* even pushed yamato. I think rayn never even voted him, and neither did yamato vote for rayn. Could have been distancing.
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It would also explain how yamato managed to express genuine emotions when posting about rayn. Maybe he knew that rayn was scum? Yeah he did post against rayn but he never voted or brought any additional arguments against him. That's semi-bussing at best.
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On August 24 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:46 Xatalos wrote:
It would also explain how yamato managed to express genuine emotions when posting about rayn. Maybe he knew that rayn was scum? Yeah he did post against rayn but he never voted or brought any additional arguments against him. That's semi-bussing at best. It is still the hardest yamato pushed anything this game, no?
Yes, but still not very hard. And I've often pushed scum as scum D1, then dropped it by the end of the day (like yamato here against rayn). Whatever. I just want to lynch yamato. We can think about connections later.
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Or in fact yamato has pushed WOS harder since he even voted for WOS.
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On August 24 2014 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:49 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 07:46 Xatalos wrote:
It would also explain how yamato managed to express genuine emotions when posting about rayn. Maybe he knew that rayn was scum? Yeah he did post against rayn but he never voted or brought any additional arguments against him. That's semi-bussing at best. It is still the hardest yamato pushed anything this game, no? Yes, but still not very hard. And I've often pushed scum as scum D1, then dropped it by the end of the day (like yamato here against rayn). Whatever. I just want to lynch yamato. We can think about connections later. Be scummier holy fuck.
So are you ever voting for your top scumread, yamato, or not?
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On August 24 2014 07:51 turtlevine wrote:
I don't buy anything Xat has said recently,
so I'm breaking ranks with my mason buddy
let's get rid of Xat
his lies and just can't
let me continue to follow GB
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
Point out where I have lied.
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On August 24 2014 07:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Voting does not equal pushing.
Pushing while voting elsewhere is weak.
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On August 24 2014 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:52 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Voting does not equal pushing. Pushing while voting elsewhere is weak. Voting without pushing too.
What are you even trying to say with this line of questions?
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On August 24 2014 07:51 turtlevine wrote:
I don't buy anything Xat has said recently,
so I'm breaking ranks with my mason buddy
let's get rid of Xat
his lies and just can't
let me continue to follow GB
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
I'm disappointed.
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On August 24 2014 07:55 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:51 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 07:49 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 07:46 Xatalos wrote:
It would also explain how yamato managed to express genuine emotions when posting about rayn. Maybe he knew that rayn was scum? Yeah he did post against rayn but he never voted or brought any additional arguments against him. That's semi-bussing at best. It is still the hardest yamato pushed anything this game, no? Yes, but still not very hard. And I've often pushed scum as scum D1, then dropped it by the end of the day (like yamato here against rayn). Whatever. I just want to lynch yamato. We can think about connections later. Be scummier holy fuck. So are you ever voting for your top scumread, yamato, or not? You and Yamato are both my top scumreads I would happily lynch either of you right now
Okay then.... Let's assume that we're both scum. Even though I can't fathom how you still think that after all the sense I've tried to talk to you.
1) yamato has done nothing and he most likely will not do anything from here on
2) I am the most active poster and I will certainly continue to post, leaving more clues to the remaining scumteam
Why not lynch yamato -> me? Seems like it makes a lot more sense. Especially after you said that "yamato is mafia for sure" while you only "think that Xatalos is bussing him".
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On August 24 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:And this Xatalos stuff makes me think that none of you have ever seen him play mafia. Dessert Mini Mafia for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?user=XatalosHe's focused. He's pushing clear cases. Pretty aggressive. I just skimmed Titanic II and got almost the same impression. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/436388-ii-titanic-mini-mafia?user=Xatalos&page=3Look how many people he votes early on. Look at him build cases, push aggressive opinions. Point is, all the stuff that you're "expecting" from town-Xatalos is completely false. That's actually more in line with his mafia persona. Xatalos as town posts every damn thing that comes to his mind. Everything. All the wishy-washy stuff, all the undeveloped reads, all the everything. And with that comes a shitton of contradictions and lack of logical progression, because the stream of consciousness of someone's mind is borderline incoherent.
This is exactly the case. As scum I play as I expect the "ideal town player" to play. As town I post whatever I want.
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