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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:47 GMT
#1108
On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:
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On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy


Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.


Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.



With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:54 GMT
#1112
On August 23 2014 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.

I'm going to give my reasons here.

1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.

2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.

3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy

4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.

5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.

So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.

##Vote Xatalos


1) Bad != scummy. Besides it wasn't all bad, there were just a couple of questionable arguments in there since it was composed of my natural immediate thoughts instead of carefully considering what to post.

2) This is just false.

3) As scum I ALWAYS find something to push and push it neatly to emulate optimal townie behaviour (often it's even on actual scum to distance myself). Me being uncertain makes me town if anything.

4) See above.

5) Hapa just arriving to the thread doesn't mean he's suspicious. In fact I think he's very town for analysing me 100% correctly + I think he's probably correct on rayn as well. Each of his posts has been constructive and brought more original information to the thread. Why is he suspicious / useless again?


^
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:00 GMT
#1115
On August 23 2014 21:51 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 23 2014 09:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well I guess you could say to that "they'd only do this as scum" but it's kind of like scum claiming Masons. Just doesn't feel realistic. Which makes the more likely option of you being scum (although Hapa kind of backed off from scumreading you).

This is bullshit. The conclusion you get makes no sense. What if they are just wrong?
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On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this:

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817

He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him)

And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game.

So fucking what? I am getting tired of you defending yamato. If yamato is town he will do shit on his own and if he keeps being a useless fuck we kill him.
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On August 23 2014 19:31 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 01:21 turtlevine wrote:
On August 22 2014 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Talk to me. I want people to talk to me. Talk to me now. Now.


based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow
and ideas I can't share right now
if he's scum I'd be shocked
to him I will talked
and we'll be upon this game's prow.

On August 22 2014 11:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn would 100% wait up for his role and if he were town he would have posted. Hell, he might have even just stayed up and played the game. He does it all the time as town. He always finds a reason to pussy out and not post when he's mafia


I don't believe this heuristic
is town rayn always a dick?
The answer is "no"
so it just goes to show
don't listen to IAmRobik

On August 22 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like sadly KSC is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks useless/non-tryhard people are scum on this forum.


WOS is correct on this front
your typical town player's a c***,
but with effort so clean,
KSC's surely green,
so if you think he's scum go get bent.

Though I must add onto this point
this post does not to WoS annoint
he's wasted some posts
on flames spam and boasts
not what I'd expect from a vet.

On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him


(1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1.


Although I can see what you say
lynching KSC's the wrong play
the only good point here's 2,
and although that one's true,
his aggression and town passes are not astray

The basic mistake of a townie at first
is to put in way too much efforts
and if his ideas are crap
that's not the right strat
scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts


On August 22 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
is this game gluten free?


Is this some kind of new crumb
or am I just being dumb?
i know not the memes
of tl mafia it seems
and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun.

On August 22 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
turtlevine which continent are you from?


Though it compromises my identity to say,
I'll share: I'm from the US of A
I'd rather stay cloaked
in the mystery evoked
by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list,
I'm starting to feel kind of pissed,
it's classic list post,
unhelpful at most,
made without a clear focused scum jist.

he starts with a question at dam,
and then there's an apology to him,
that vote post is bad,
though it makes my heart glad,
I think I've finally found scum.



So far I'm up to page twelve
it seems I'm moderately whelmed
I'll continue these thoughts
after I've finished a walk,
and deeper into thread I will delve!

##vote xatalos


Well he did think I'm scum for the listpost/vote so...... >.> But maybe he's good at using meta or something?

Are you trying to look dumb on purpose? This post makes no sense at all/is completely useless. Rayn seems to think turtle is a good player. Maybe he is right maybe he isn't - end of the story.
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On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.

How could you not notice it? The post in question had giant red letters in it. It was probably the most noticable post in the game at that point.


1) Since yamato claimed that he's very good at reading rayn and apparently Hapa is as well, it'd feel weird if all 3 were town and scumreading each other left and right. (well Hapa backed off later on though) And now we also have Onegu who claims to be rayn reader extraordinaire and scumreads him... Yeah. I doubt all 4 are town and rayn is certainly the most likely scum out of them. You disagree? Why?

2) You don't even disagree with anything, you're just bored.

3) Maybe it's useless but you don't again even disagree. Not that there is anything to disagree with lol

4) I already answered KSC's case.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:02 GMT
#1117
On August 23 2014 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli
Xatalos
idk yet



You're either scum or regressed in your play significantly. You could always read me properly by the end of D1 as town. You even claimed that you would play your best this game so I really doubt you're just being bad.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:05 GMT
#1119
It's even worse that you're scumreading me based on a single pretty much one-liner post when you set up your "ultimate plan" of reading me earlier and never used it really. You found me towny based on that and then discarded it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:08 GMT
#1122
On August 23 2014 22:06 Onegu wrote:
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On August 22 2014 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Two things:

First. If i am town and awake i do post. If i am mafia and awake i do post. If i am town and asleep i can't post. If i am mafia and asleep i can't post. I have never in my life intentionally lurked as mafia (i do that as town though for reasons) except for in Noir when Mocsta fakeclaimed medic as town to get the real medic lynched and i was having in scum QT with Pandain.
You should know that.

Second. I have a tendency to not explain my reads fully because i want to encourage other people to think and find the reasons by themsleves. Because it helps me getting a better read on them and that's how i play - and have always played.
You should know that.

So yes, your first post had absolutely no thought behind it, even though you SHOULD know these things and pay more attention to what i say and try to figure out why i say the stuff i do. You didn't, and that makes me think you are mafia.



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On August 23 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i know my posts appear as bad or scummy sometimes because i do not explain myself. That is NOT scummy. All the good players do know that because they look behind the actual words - they look at the meaning of the words. Why people say the stuff they do. I ALWAYS have an agenda for the stuff i say whether or not i explain it.

Hapa is one of the few players who is REALLY good in reading into this. He just cannot do that as mafia because idk why, he just can't. Probably because he hates being mafia. In this game he is clearly showing he is not thinking about the game and those things - even though i have, in THIS GAME, said this is EXACTLY how i play. Even if it was not clear to him before this game THIS GAME SHOULD PROVE i am telling the truth.

He is not figuring out stuff how he would as town. I do not know how to explain it better as i am bad at explaining shit.
I however promised to play my best game this game and as my alignment is town you should kill Hapa with fire because he is mafia. I will tell who the rest of the mafia team is on N1. Now we lynch Hapahauli.



These are the 2 posts I am talking about. A town rayn is going to yell at you and tell you how stupid you are because "scum rayn never does this" Scum rayn will never do that"


He did do that in Neat & Tidy actually so at least the other part of the argument is correct...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:11 GMT
#1124
On August 23 2014 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is actually a heuristic that never fails:
Show nested quote +

Swag is probably mafia because he wants to talk about SK and mafia wants to hunt for third parties as it's genuine "scumhunting". Or was it jepg. Anyways the dude who was sk-hunting earlier.

Show nested quote +

jepg has been night killed. He was Tara Reid's Grown Ass Son Who Flies Helicopters Into Tornadoes Filled With Sharks With Bombs Cause LOL, Mafia Night 2 Vigilante.

I am pretty sure Xatalos is scum because of it.
Now let me find the third one.


If you actually believe that argument (lol) then you must scumread GB even more because he spent several more posts on the same topic. Yeah... Didn't think so.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:16 GMT
#1125
I can't wrap my head around rayn saying that "this argument never fails" when, if that's true, he must scumread GB above me...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:19 GMT
#1128
rayn, I can't even take you seriously when you 1) set up a plan to read me "with certainty" and never even use it, then scumread me anyway for a BS reason 2) scumread me because of something that a near-confirmed town did much more notably than I ever did (I basically only casually mentioned your Damdred point) and actually even YOU talked equally about the topic as I did
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:36 GMT
#1143
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
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On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:40 GMT
#1146
On August 23 2014 22:19 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 23 2014 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT:
I am not voting for anyone else until Hapa dies.
Xatalos is also mafia.
80% sure Onegu is also mafia.

People who can read me do not misread me in this game. They just don't.

I also have a bar night tonight so i can't be online @ the deadline.
It doesn't really matter because i already found scum. If you do not believe me not voting mafia is on you guys.. I have said everything that needs to be said.

I am not telling you not to vote Hapa. Xatalos... the thing that stops me here is how huge his filter is and I don't know if he would really post all the dumb stuff he posted as mafia.


What dumb stuff did I ever even post (besides some of the questionable arguments in my notes that are originally never even meant to be shared, only to write stuff down to help my thinking)? I already answered your earlier collection of my "dumb stuff" and well, one post was useless I guess, but not really even dumb. The rest I couldn't understand why you even disagreed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:41 GMT
#1147
And yeah I never have the biggest filter as scum. I often do as town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:55 GMT
#1153
On August 23 2014 22:48 Damdred wrote:
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On August 23 2014 19:42 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Nvm it felt fot a second you were soft claiming something anyway....yea tge thread atmosphere has went to crap


Hmm. rayn saying that Damdred could be SK actually makes a bit of sense. Looking at Damdred's filter there are some odd points like him looking for bluetells and being really passive in the whole rayn/Hapa debate. Dropped some points.


This is kind of a stupid point, it looked like a soft claim to me which you do do Xata. And I wasn't passive I yelled at rayn a couple of times to do work, made a point about the timing of hapas case and got on hapa about how easily he came off of rayn but i've been asleep since so exageration by xata....

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On August 23 2014 20:40 Xatalos wrote:
Well, turtlevine and GB are almost confirmed town so not much point in reading them.

KelsierSC is probably town although he does some dumb things so not him really.

Reading Hapa/rayn would be kind of crucial since that's the "big topic" of the recent 10 pages or so. rayn has a huge filter though. With that said I think VA and Damdred are the players in the grey area (passive / not very impactful in the thread) where some scum often reside. So that could be a good direction to read too.


Can you not keep your story straight Xata?

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On August 23 2014 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred is making sense lately and feels like a constructive force in the discussion. Unlynchable really.


So w hich way is it buddy? Just feels like you are slinging a little bit of crap on me and it feels really scummy


You were very constructive at one point but when the thread exploded, you kind of... disappeared? You did make some posts but nothing that changed anything really. And I didn't like you bringing up the "bluetell". If I was actually claiming/breadcrumbing something, it would have been strictly anti-town to spread information like that.

Regardless I want to lynch rayn today and you still don't even have negative points.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:10 GMT
#1156
On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy


Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.


Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.



With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed.


This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous.

1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish.

2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed.

3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy.

4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon.

5
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ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points


This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town.


1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff.

2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with.

3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed.

4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos.

5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:13 GMT
#1157
On August 23 2014 23:07 Damdred wrote:
You weren't constructive at all during that point in the thread AT ALL. Nobodt was the thread devolved into he's mafia because i said so.

I made my posts tgat were mostly observations and noted the weird things that happened later. but tell me how do you be co.atructive in those times eh? The best you can do is say i need to reread and not pick a side at the time... ya know instead of sheeping a case someone makes with their first post


Hm. Well what do you think right now?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:16 GMT
#1160
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:
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On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO.



Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town.


turtlevine said that they are both confirmed town to each other.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:17 GMT
#1161
Onegu, you should really just catch up ASAP. It's not very constructive to repeat what's already been posted :/
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:38 GMT
#1172
On August 23 2014 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Listpost!

Hapahauli:
(1) he is not reading the thread properly or does not understand what he is reading. i understand you people do not know this makes him absolutely mafia but you needto trust me on this one.
(2) his case on me is crap. so very crap. he would NEVER EVER make that case as town.
(3) his read evolvement on yamato is terrible. Hapa can read yamato probably better than i can and there is no way town!Hapa, when starting to post makes a case on me, and then retrects from it to YAMATO! no way. If Hapa though yamato is mafia he would have instantly voted for yamato instead of me.

Xatalos:
Just says stuff that is totally unsmart. He is very very off and i have never seen Xatalos this off regardless of the game. There are very good posts to gather reads yet Xatalos fails to do anything. He has basically no reads. Also i HATE him not answering me directly to my questions... twice. I am pretty sure it makes him mafia.

Onegu:
Says stuff that's very unsmart and i believe him calling me mafia is a ploy to make me townread him. If he was not calling me mafia he would need to lynch Hapahauli instead. Sorry bro, saying "toobadtobescum" shit does not make me think anyone is town anymore.

Damdred:
He is just.. here. Not saying anything smart, +1ing everyone and just going with the flow. I don't like it. At all.

yamato:
I hate the fact yamato engages the thread and then fucks off.. Especially towards me. He shows interest in scumhunting but when it's actually time to say something he quits. He's already done it twice this game.

VayneAuthority:
Looks like his normal townplay. However he is self-aware of his meta and could be faking it. Anyways never a good D1 lynch because it's at best a crapshoot guessing game. When you engage Vayne you have to talk in a specific way and it does not work on D1. You gotta ask him about specific things and not some generic "who is scum Vayne?" questions because he hates them. Someone will probably try to mislynch him this game if he is town.


GB & Turtle:
Claimed masons, makes no sense for them to be mafia.

JAT:
If anyone thinks he is mafia they are retarded.

KSC:
Same as JAT. His opening is the only thing that COULD implicate he is scum but he comes from another forum and other forums play differently (and dumb). People from other places i have seen (than TL, VS and 2p2) are just usually bad and the games start slow and VERY few people are actually good at this shit. KSC seems like he is good, and tbh i would like to know where he has played mafia because there is hope that there is a fourth place where people actually know how to play mafia.

Robik:
I believe Robik is incapable of saying such smart things as mafia. Town for sure.

Wave:
I made a post about why he is town and i think i am right.

Now lynch correctly.


You have dodged my questions all game though. What does that make you? Besides I think I've answered everything you've asked so far. I even specifically asked you to ask me anything that is unclear to you and you didn't ask anything.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:47 GMT
#1178
Yeah that's pretty much the worst / most incorrect possible reason to scumread Damdred. Actually even during the big spamfest he only posted original stuff and didn't sheep anything... That's just an unacceptable reason rayn.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 14:51 GMT
#1182
On August 23 2014 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this.


Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town"

He calls the people who are mafia mafia and town people town.

I guess i should clarify my read on Xatalos. Someone not answering to a question is not necessarily didging the question. I do not talk about stuff i find dumb or irrelevant. I ignore it and never remember it any more unless it makes someone mafia. However, when you quote the EXACT post where someone asks you questions and ANSWER that post by saying something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the original questions - THAT is dodging the questions.


What even happened to your "certain" plan of reading me earlier? You just totally forgot about it and ignore everything related to it. And now you go back to stuff that you weren't really confident in earlier in the game because your BS argument a few pages back didn't hold any water.
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