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On August 25 2014 00:06 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:
Why is everyone trying to explain everything for xatalos? Its quite annoying frankly I'm not a idiot i understand why it has to be the people who didn't go to robik. I didn't ask for that explanation i asked him why those three and to develop cases.
@Kel but why switch to yamato you had just as strong a scum read onxata and you thought both were mafia indeed you gave xata a lot more attention in your filter than qnyone else and the chances of his lynch were decent.... I thought Xata was scum, I thought Yamato was scum. If the voting had been different, say it was tied between yam and someone I thought was town then I would have switched over to Yam to make sure that vote went through and mafia didn't force through a ML. I ended up not switching because Xat tried to really push through a lynch on Yam (who he had read town and shared the same reads as) and Xat felt so unbelievably scummy that by the deadline I was thinking Yam must be town.
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That bolded thing Xat just posted from KSC's post reminded me. KSC's heuristics are widely considered 'bad' by those on TL, and this has been commented on my multiple people in the game. (me, hapa, etc)
Considering he has been called out on these heuristics (for example, the fact that he seems to base his reads primarily on whether people's reads match with his own, and in the case of the above, giving reads in general way too much credit one way or another), you would think that as scum he would not want to continue using them as 'wrongly' and blatantly as he has as they continue to draw negative attention towards him.
This is either a towny who is set in his ways from playing elsewhere or a scum who is trying to appear as such and is extremely ballsy in doing so. KISS says the former. Fairly simple imo.
Who else is around right now? What are the points for KSC scum again?
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So here's the pool of players that are up for lynch tomorrow:
Xatalos
Wave
Damdred
Vayne
Onegu
Kelsier
Everyone else is either confirmed town (GB/Turtle), likely town from the lynch (Yamato, JAT) or mentally unstable and probably town (Rayn). So here's where I stand on these players.
I think Xatalos is likely town. I've mentioned a lot on Xatalos already, but overall, the lynch yesterday seemed like it was between two townies until Robik got last minute hammered. If you look where Robik's vote was parked, you can see he wasn't very concerned about "saving one of his scumbuddies". Rather, he was blending in. The vote count in general also really points to it being a town-v-town lynch before the last-minute stuff:
On August 24 2014 09:58 Sylencia wrote:
Counting of votes:
raynpelikoneet (1): IAmRobik, Hapahauli, Xatalos, GlowingBear, Onegu
GlowingBear (0): raynpelikoneet
turtlevine (0): GlowingBear
yamato77 (3): Xatalos, Hapahauli, WaveOfShadow, Hapahauli, Xatalos, justanothertownie
Damdred (1): Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority
Xatalos (3): turtlevine, raynpelikoneet, KelsierSC, turtlevine, Damdred, yamato77
Hapahauli (1): raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear, turtlevine
WaveOfShadow (0): raynpelikoneet, yamato77
Onegu (1): IAmRobik
IAmRobik (3): yamato77, GlowingBear, Hapahauli
Not voting (0):
Deadline is Sunday, Aug 24 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
yamato77 is set to be lynched. Notify me of any mistakes.
A lot of fragmented votes, and it should be pretty clear that one wagon isn't being heavily pushed (which should be the case in a scum v. town lynch). Therefore, it's likely Xatalos is town with Yamato. Even if you don't like meta stuff, I think this is pretty solid evidence.
As for Kelsier, I read a lot of what he does as confirmation bias. In his first game on the site, he seems very confident and cocky, which I think is more likely to come from a town player. I don't agree with the way he's approaching the game, but he has had a consistent mentality throughout the game.
Onegu is null. He just hasn't posted nearly enough for me to make a read on him. Good cop check here.
I think our mafia is between Wave, Damdred, and Vayne, in order of confidence.
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Wave
When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205
Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet.
Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion:
On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum?
On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well.
On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game.
On August 24 2014 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh shit if that's Prome and he also thinks Hapa is scum then we're getting somewhere.
That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn.
So there are two possible explanations for this:
1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game.
2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything.
#1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with:
On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato.
This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow.
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On August 25 2014 09:26 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 00:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:
Why is everyone trying to explain everything for xatalos? Its quite annoying frankly I'm not a idiot i understand why it has to be the people who didn't go to robik. I didn't ask for that explanation i asked him why those three and to develop cases.
@Kel but why switch to yamato you had just as strong a scum read onxata and you thought both were mafia indeed you gave xata a lot more attention in your filter than qnyone else and the chances of his lynch were decent.... I thought Xata was scum, I thought Yamato was scum. If the voting had been different, say it was tied between yam and someone I thought was town then I would have switched over to Yam to make sure that vote went through and mafia didn't force through a ML. I ended up not switching because Xat tried to really push through a lynch on Yam (who he had read town and shared the same reads as) and Xat felt so unbelievably scummy that by the deadline I was thinking Yam must be town.
Oh ugh is that really his explanation?
Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town.
And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato?
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:WaveWhen he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game. Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh shit if that's Prome and he also thinks Hapa is scum then we're getting somewhere. That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow.
SO many things wrong with this, but I'll get to it after I'm done.
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:WaveWhen he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town.
I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically.
He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him.
He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read.
I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read
His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true.
Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early.
He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine.
TLDR - WoS is really town
SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game. Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh shit if that's Prome and he also thinks Hapa is scum then we're getting somewhere. That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow.
Actually no, you know what?
On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
Have a look at my filter again Hapa. Where did I take a break from thread again?
And I'd also like to know how picking a scummy target and sticking with it when close to deadline is scummy. I'd REALLY like to know. While you're working on that I'ma read Damdred.
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Hmm. Not really sold on scum WOS atm. And as WOS mentioned there's a big time gap between those random suspicions and being aimless again.
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Damdred
This one's shorter.
Firstly, his vote yesterday was by far the worst in the thread:
On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:
##Vote Xatalos
This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch
He's voting Xatalos because he thinks Yamato is town, and Xatalos scummy but Damdred "could be misreading him."
Yeah no.
He also posted a lot in the Night 1 discussion and literally all of it was irrelevant.
Start at the bottom of Page 6 of his filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=6
...and work your way to page 7.
He's asking questions to Xatalos, commenting/replying to random things... but that's it. No attempt to analyze vote counts, no attempt to make sense of the lynch, and really no attempt to do anything but a very awkward tunnel on Xata.
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On August 25 2014 09:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 25 2014 00:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:
Why is everyone trying to explain everything for xatalos? Its quite annoying frankly I'm not a idiot i understand why it has to be the people who didn't go to robik. I didn't ask for that explanation i asked him why those three and to develop cases.
@Kel but why switch to yamato you had just as strong a scum read onxata and you thought both were mafia indeed you gave xata a lot more attention in your filter than qnyone else and the chances of his lynch were decent.... I thought Xata was scum, I thought Yamato was scum. If the voting had been different, say it was tied between yam and someone I thought was town then I would have switched over to Yam to make sure that vote went through and mafia didn't force through a ML. I ended up not switching because Xat tried to really push through a lynch on Yam (who he had read town and shared the same reads as) and Xat felt so unbelievably scummy that by the deadline I was thinking Yam must be town. Oh ugh is that really his explanation? Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town. And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato?
The vote was between Xat and Yam who "earlier" I both thought were scum and I was happy with my vote
I had no reason to doubt my yam read until Xat really went balls deep on the lynch yam train which happened really close to the deadline.
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On August 25 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, why is rayn town?
Good question :/
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Actually I can't even concentrate now. I'm really angry at the misrepresentation here. Funny you seem to have a knack for messing with people this game.
The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order)
a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him
b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT
c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all
d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story
e) VA is VA
Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists.
I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me?
It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible.
Like honestly hapa what is with you this game?
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I hope the NK's wont just hit GB/turtlevine so that they'll reveal something new.
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LOL I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING HILARIOUS
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On August 25 2014 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually I can't even concentrate now. I'm really angry at the misrepresentation here. Funny you seem to have a knack for messing with people this game.
The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order)
a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him
b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT
c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all
d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story
e) VA is VA
Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists.
I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me?
It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible.
Like honestly hapa what is with you this game?
What about his point on the timing. the break then "who are we lynching?" then going at yamato.
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@ Wave
Firstly, it doesn't matter whether or not you took a break from the thread. It was under my impression that you did. But if you did not, no matter.
The issue is how you went from a mentality to being "skeptical of everything" to not considering anything other than lynching Yamato very quickly. Like, you were pretty skeptical of me and Xatalos even after you voted for Yamato. And it's so strange for you to have no doubts about Yamato being mafia after this exchange:
On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
On August 24 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
Vote yamato
On August 24 2014 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
Yamato obviously.
On August 24 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey, so 1.5h to go.
Who the fuck are we lynching?
Vote yamato lol, really?
Yeah.
And on top of all this, you still have to explain to me how voting Yamato, then calling like 5-6 people mafia and antagonizing one of yoru town reads is remotely town-motivated.
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On August 25 2014 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING HILARIOUS
plx share
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On August 25 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, why is rayn town?
His behavior is consistent with him going off the deep end as town. He's not pushign objectives. He's just flailing. And that's pretty townie.
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