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On July 20 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh fuck that song is awesome! I have almost forgotten it even exists. Right? After answering this I had to go listen to it and it was just as good as I remembered. | ||
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On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch. Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote Xatalos Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another. | ||
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On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote: fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote ##vote harurh reasons? | ||
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On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote. Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? | ||
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Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active. Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through. + Show Spoiler [Weird Defenses] + On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote: hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? ^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? ^this also seems weirdly defensive to me, Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum. So ##Vote: kushm4sta | ||
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But looking past that he still looks pretty bad. He has almost no posts that push a read or are particularly constructive, he argued with you on that haru vote but he seemed to just sheep and add one sentence and since then all we've gotten is anger at you (he didn't even try to really engage with what you said to me about him) and him answering my question with a lot of soft reads. I think we're far enough in that he should be either trying to poke people for reads or trying put out reads that he has and see what happens. He's not doing either he seems content to just post a lot. | ||
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Now for non-palmar people voting me, chopin: I'd really like to here what you think about some other people, and Vivax: joking about being scum is one of the least townie things i can think of. You're joking around and avoiding doing literally anything constructive, whether or not I'm scum you should be willing as town to give some reads, it can only be good for town. I've seen enough people dick around as town to know this doesn't guarantee that you're scum (though it really should because there's no way this helps) but if you keep going like this I think you will be one of the best lynch options day 1. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote: Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest. Seriously? Because what? I was supposed to actually argue about whether someone posting first or fourth was a townread? I read your posts, categorized you as useless, and put down that if you continued like this you would be an excellent lynch target, it's asinine to think that I didn't care about those questions because I didn't respond to your ridiculous non-answers. Now are you going to actually start talking about your reads? | ||
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Also I have to go to sleep soon but chopin I would point you toward the thought that maybe I didn't press my questions because I got literally 0 sort of answers from most people. I've posted my strongest reads, I think kush and Obi are good lynch targets. I'm more on the fence about Xata, and I don't have any other reads to put out right now, I need sleep. But I will say that my questions have been generally me trying to get more people talking about reads I have thoughts on, I didn't ask people because I was suspicious of them and wanted to confirm, I want the beginnings of conversations and if people aren't complying I can't bully them into productive conversation. One of the first people I asked was vivax who seems content to fuck around and point back to the same post that palmer pointed at. I am going to keep trying to get conversation about things that I think I can make reads off of, but my last thought is the votes on me happened very fast with not much said. Palmer seems fine, he made a real case and I honestly agree with his points for how that post looks, it's a bad post. But not bad enough to deserve 2 or 3 people immediately bandwagoning with literally no elaboration. | ||
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On other people: Vivax looks a lot better to me, messing around with a different way to start the game isn't really alignment indicative and he has pushed reads aggressively since then. Koshi in that exchange is kind of a mixed bag for me. Of course I was relieved to have someone pointing out that I was posting pretty clear reads on who I thought was scum, but vivax does notice something weird. Koshi saying at the time of my shitty post I was posting really well doesn't look totally true, after that I had clearer reads and better posts. On the other hand the way he was talking easily could have just been him thinking generally about the posts I had been making which I think he does accurately categorize as pretty clear and unambiguous reads. I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now but I don't have a strong town read on him. On the other hand I do have a couple scum reads... | ||
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But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example: On July 24 2014 01:07 Xatalos wrote: Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable. Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive. Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD. ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though. Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum: On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote: GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read: On July 24 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote: LOL Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum. There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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First looking at Obi's actions since I made my post going after him I feel he's even scummier. The vote on Vivax looks pretty strongly like he got some pressure, decided he needed to vote someone/make a read, and then just went with the first one he could think of. The argument there is flimsy at best and he hasn't done much else substantial. So at this point I would actually put Obi at number one for who I'd like to lynch. I won't be changing my vote because I don't expect enough people to switch to him, especially while I'm asleep and unable to push my read. Now before someone accuses me of distancing from Xata's lynch I still feel comfortable with that, I've had reservations like vivax about this lynch, more related to how this lynch seems to be going through too easily, but I don't think that's a strong enough reason to switch. And I do think his lack of attempts to avoid being lynched does lean more scum than town. Both can do it, but I think you can definitely see it out of scum who don't really know how to move a lynch that they know is accurate. So I feel comfortable saying lynching Xata is one of our best options given what we have today. Vivax I just read through koshi's filter and honestly don't know what to make of it. On the argument about me like I said before him saying I was giving a ton of reads at the time of my bad post isn't totally accurate but I think on the whole what he saw was accurate. Since then he's been fairly active and he's made votes, but the vote on you seems largely because you argued with him and on obi was I think because of "attitude" or something about him getting angry. While I obviously agree obi is a good vote I actually think him getting pissed in an argument is the one thing that's not at all alignment-indicative. These things make koshi look weird (i.e. kind of scummy) to me and while I wouldn't vote him now I will focus on him over the next day. Lastly people need to stop lurking. Like it's really frustrating that I can't give reads on like half the people here because they have so few posts. I can't tell anything about Damdred, Glowingbear, VA, Palmer, and batnats because they have so few posts about concrete stuff. (if you're wondering the people I haven't named there and haven't pushed are the people I think look fairly town, I haven't been ignoring them) At least one of those is almost certainly scum just because they realized how easy it is so far to get away with it but there's no way for us to know until the town ones become more active. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:42 Vivax wrote: Wouldn't call batsnacks a lurker, and Vayne has to be vigged, Palmar is readable to some extent. Glowbear I don't think is scum atm. re: batsnacks I see some jokes, a poem, a sheeped vote, some questions and some discussion that's not even close to being about his reads or thoughts on people. I'd invite you to reread his filter because I literally cannot find anything I'd call scumhunting there since xata's list post. | ||
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I'm trying to figure out why one lurker is a better lynch than another, if we could collectively lynch them all I'd be cool with that but failing that I'd rather lynch someone I actually have a read on. Now Palmer, it's really nice for you that you can call me mafia because I've posted enough to be readable, do you care to reciprocate? | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:56 Vivax wrote: Ye but your perception seems to be a lot different, it's not just cause he's a lurker, I mentioned some other stuff too, but somehow you reduce it to the reason just being that he lurks. Honestly? I don't know what else you said, I looked through the people that I called lurkers filters and decided for myself that I couldn't read them. When you pushed one I was curious why he was better than the others, that other stuff you mentioned is what I was asking about, I wasn't saying you're wrong I was legitimately curious. I'll go back and reread your post to see if anything sticks out now that it's pointed out to me but that's why I asked. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:57 Palmar wrote: To produce cheap correct content. Idk. Maybe dude is scum too. But navillus is mafia Palmer I'm not calling you scum, but I'm kind of pissed off that you get to show up with almost no content before now and call me scum for asking a question then pointing out that bats looks bad too, I didn't even say Damdred wasn't bad, I don't remember what his filter looked like beyond that I couldn't get reads and I was pointing out that bats+you+VA+glowbear looked unreadable to me too so it seemed weird to me that one was singled out. | ||
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Anyway gg and good luck town. | ||
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