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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 19 2014 20:17 GMT
#44
/in

composer: John Williams

song: Jurassic Park Theme

(I feel so uncultured, but I don't really know any classical music )
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 19 2014 20:39 GMT
#46
On July 20 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 05:17 Navillus wrote:
composer: John Williams

song: Jurassic Park Theme

Oh fuck that song is awesome!
I have almost forgotten it even exists.

Right?

After answering this I had to go listen to it and it was just as good as I remembered.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:36 GMT
#292
Just got here, my 2 cents on xatalos is that the list does look bad and I got the same weird feeling when he said that we shouldn't lynch kush because he's a good scum-player, especially after he posted:

On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.


so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch.

Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote Xatalos

Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:41 GMT
#293
Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:54 GMT
#295
On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote
##vote harurh



reasons?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:55 GMT
#297
any reason that harurh is the placeholder?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 04:29 GMT
#305
vayne you have a reason separate from what kush said?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 07:12 GMT
#349
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.

On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.

Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:13 GMT
#378
Teem if If you're asking me what that post said about chopin I'm saying I want extra content out of the hydra because it's going to be a bitch to try to mix reads of two people and I will push their lynch if them being a hydra prevents me from getting a clear read on them.

Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active.

Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through.

+ Show Spoiler [Weird Defenses] +

On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
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On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?

On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


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we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?

^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru
On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
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On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


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It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.


wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?

^this also seems weirdly defensive to me,
.
Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum.

So ##Vote: kushm4sta
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:18 GMT
#381
Teem I have a somewhat scummy read on Obi. One thing I think should be clear is getting angry and abrasive with you probably isn't a tell either way, both town and scum players do that and I think it's probably more related to the player than the role.

But looking past that he still looks pretty bad. He has almost no posts that push a read or are particularly constructive, he argued with you on that haru vote but he seemed to just sheep and add one sentence and since then all we've gotten is anger at you (he didn't even try to really engage with what you said to me about him) and him answering my question with a lot of soft reads. I think we're far enough in that he should be either trying to poke people for reads or trying put out reads that he has and see what happens. He's not doing either he seems content to just post a lot.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:21 GMT
#383
Oh and I almost forgot, vivax what are your reads on kush, xata, obi, or teem. I don't care who or what combination you answer, it's just that you haven't posted much since the game began so I'd like to hear what you think.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:25 GMT
#386
Have we played together before? Cause I haven't played mafia in probably a couple of years... or are you just referring to me earlier in the thread?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:40 GMT
#395
Wow, insane memory, I forgot I ever even tried that game, and that was over two years ago, I can't believe you remembered I played much less anything about my play. Well anyway pretty much every game I've played here previously I just didn't have the time/energy to commit to it what I should have so I've waited until I did. Now I have unlimited free time so I'll be keeping up.

Now for non-palmar people voting me, chopin: I'd really like to here what you think about some other people, and Vivax: joking about being scum is one of the least townie things i can think of. You're joking around and avoiding doing literally anything constructive, whether or not I'm scum you should be willing as town to give some reads, it can only be good for town. I've seen enough people dick around as town to know this doesn't guarantee that you're scum (though it really should because there's no way this helps) but if you keep going like this I think you will be one of the best lynch options day 1.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:54 GMT
#412
Hey xatalos, nice to see you also think that palmer's analysis is enough and you don't need to contribute, so what do you think about Kush's defenses of you and what do you think of Obiwan?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 09:56 GMT
#414
Koshi I'm more interested why damdred and batsnacks are bad lynches, neither of them seem to have been contributing a ton so far, so this seems like a pretty early call for that.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 10:13 GMT
#428
Yeah I think I agree with Chopin, confirmed townie is nice but unless they're people who we are sure can make great reads it doesn't actually help that much, they can still be wrong. Also with 3KP to start the mafia can do a lot of damage, and it would be 6 VT 5 blues so not even difficult to blue snipe at that point. So yeah we probably want the extra lives, a prepared passenger should probably claim if they will be lynched and then the other can choose whether it seems smart to also claim (letting us know the first told the truth unless a third claim happens, which means we'd narrow a scum down a lot). But until that I think it's a bad idea for both to claim.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 10:13 GMT
#429
So Haru do you like the idea or no? Should we do it?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 11:22 GMT
#466
On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:54 Vivax wrote:
Koshi do you dislike Palmar's case.

I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town.


Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post.
It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters.

I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest.

Seriously? Because what? I was supposed to actually argue about whether someone posting first or fourth was a townread? I read your posts, categorized you as useless, and put down that if you continued like this you would be an excellent lynch target, it's asinine to think that I didn't care about those questions because I didn't respond to your ridiculous non-answers. Now are you going to actually start talking about your reads?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 11:32 GMT
#478
Well, xatalos ninja'd me with his common sense.

Also I have to go to sleep soon but chopin I would point you toward the thought that maybe I didn't press my questions because I got literally 0 sort of answers from most people. I've posted my strongest reads, I think kush and Obi are good lynch targets. I'm more on the fence about Xata, and I don't have any other reads to put out right now, I need sleep. But I will say that my questions have been generally me trying to get more people talking about reads I have thoughts on, I didn't ask people because I was suspicious of them and wanted to confirm, I want the beginnings of conversations and if people aren't complying I can't bully them into productive conversation. One of the first people I asked was vivax who seems content to fuck around and point back to the same post that palmer pointed at.

I am going to keep trying to get conversation about things that I think I can make reads off of, but my last thought is the votes on me happened very fast with not much said. Palmer seems fine, he made a real case and I honestly agree with his points for how that post looks, it's a bad post. But not bad enough to deserve 2 or 3 people immediately bandwagoning with literally no elaboration.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#877
Okay so I'm back and I've looked at a few filters. First off ##Unvote kushm4sta I still think kush's early stuff looks off but nothing since has popped out to me and the vote didn't gain any traction.

On other people: Vivax looks a lot better to me, messing around with a different way to start the game isn't really alignment indicative and he has pushed reads aggressively since then.

Koshi in that exchange is kind of a mixed bag for me. Of course I was relieved to have someone pointing out that I was posting pretty clear reads on who I thought was scum, but vivax does notice something weird. Koshi saying at the time of my shitty post I was posting really well doesn't look totally true, after that I had clearer reads and better posts. On the other hand the way he was talking easily could have just been him thinking generally about the posts I had been making which I think he does accurately categorize as pretty clear and unambiguous reads. I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now but I don't have a strong town read on him. On the other hand I do have a couple scum reads...
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
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