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On June 24 2014 09:47 Koshi wrote: Scum won. I cant believe this. Everybody can be scum really. I have no reads anymore. I also dont care anymore. Dude just sheep me then.
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Apologies Kurumi.
I'm going to do other stuff now as to not lose composure and spam the thread. Hopefully people will reread VE's filter with fresh eyes, and understand how the game has been developing. Thank you for your consideration.
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Artanis, I find it quite unlikely that both Lazermonkey and Koshi could both be scum. Do you agree?
If so, who do you think is the second scum after Koshi?
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On June 24 2014 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Please consider lynching BH when I flip town. PLEASE. He's playing a super manipulative game, and given the circumstances, I think it makes him scum. He has no reason to be manipulative with things going his way as they have been lately - he's playing manipulative for a reason - to push an agenda. PLEASE consider him tomorrow.
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A strong mutually antagonistic posturing against each other.
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On June 25 2014 04:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 04:16 slOosh wrote: A strong mutually antagonistic posturing against each other. You might be right. I think BH can be scum as well. Tunneled on two townies now. If I am, and Chezinu is town (I think so), then by process of elimination, BH must be scum. Between Lazermonkey and Koshi I still believe Lazermonkey has a higher chance of flipping scum than Koshi does.
You may disagree, and ok, that's fine. What we can agree on, is that if at most one of Koshi / Lazermonkey is scum, then the other scum must be somewhere. So you order your town reads and whoever is at the bottom is probably scum.
For me, it's BH. Who is it for you? Because if it's BH, I think it's in our best interest to lynch BH.
Additionally, VE maintained throughout that BH was lynching him in a "wrong manner". If you've ever been mislynched / lynched, you have the strongest sense of what seems reasonable and what seems terrible. VE pointed out that the manner in which BH pushed was very off. I can't speak for VE's recent meta since I took a hiatus for a while, but assuming he is still a good town player, I'd really put more weight on his reads, especially his read from his perspective on BH.
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On June 22 2014 06:30 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 17:45 slOosh wrote:So ... I don't know how to feel. My reads feel like the garbage VE I'll get back to you on the Lazermonkey read. Just wallowing for a while. Right, slept it off, feeling fresh. From what I recall D1, Lazermonkey felt decent. It seemed like he was involved in some discussions and talking, so I waived him as probs town and didn't read too carefully. On a reread, his vote on mderg came right before deadline when it was reasonably clear that bunnies would be lynched. It also isn't clear why he thought mderg is scum - the one time he voted he backed off the next post reasoning why he isn't scum. His D2 play looks far worse and I feel is best summed up by this quote (for which I read strong town on Koshi prior to flip) Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:03 Koshi wrote:On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. Please be more disconnected about what is happening this day. He makes no effort to understand any of the wagons and instead opts out of discussion, picking on Koshi and soft defending mderg: Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 22:56 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 20 2014 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BH, I'm not a newbie player. I know that similarities does not necessarily mean the same alignment, but previous games can give you insights into their mind. Particularly a scum qt can be enlightening. It told me mderg is someone that thinks before he posts as scum, which is a point against him being scum this game.
I'm not up for a mderg lynch at this point in time. I am up for a Koshi lynch though. ##Unvote ##Vote Koshi This is also a good point brought up. Everyone that is voting mderg should explain why they vote him very very clearly and why the reason you vote him makes him scum. Explain how that action isn't likely to have come out of a newbie town player also. After all is said and done, his final vote lands on YKZ: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ...
I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ "w/e". Votes are flying everywhere, people are scrambling to figure stuff out and "w/e". No reads on YKZ anywhere, still holding onto the mderg town read all the way from D1, no engaging in any discussion of D2. Very good chance of scum. Also, VE, I'd rather a YKZ read than a Snickers read given how D2 went down since I suspect the same kind of resulting observations, but you can do whatever since you've earned it.
On June 24 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 09:02 Kurumi wrote:Night 1 The People's Committee has decided. 27ninjabunnies had a short walk with the Sheriff, confessing her sins. Burning dolls, stealing change from the laundromats, eating pie before it was cool. Nothing bad. Was it all? + Show Spoiler +27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch!Final Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma YouKnowZhou (1): Release mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey Currently Not Voting (0): None! 27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes! 24 hours, actions to both me and OnceKing. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 09:00 Kurumi wrote:Night 2 The People's Committee was a very hot place today. The evidence seemed to be daunting on couple of the villagers, but consensus was hard to reach. The rules were clear for every person in the room. Kill so we have a chance before they kill us. The two candidates were both very scared of the verdict. One of them had that fear fulfilled and changed into true terror. It was mderg. He left the room with The Sheriff. After couple of minutes and most likely mderg begging for his life a shot pierced the village. + Show Spoiler +mderg the Mafia Goon was lynched! Final vote tally mderg (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou, Chezinu - Unvotes (1): Snickers YouKnowZhou (5): slOosh, VisceraEyes, Snickers, mderg, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Release, Artanis[Xp] VisceraEyes (0) - Unvotes (3): Chezinu, mderg, Lazermonkey Koshi (0) - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonkey Snickers (0) - Unvotes (4): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou mderg was first to 5 and so was lynched. 24 hours for actions to both me and OnceKing. So I think there's at least one mafia between me, Lazermonkey and Snickers because we all WERE on mderg on D1 and WERE NOT on mderg D2. Of everyone, I think it's probably LM because Snickers' case on me, while wrong, doesn't feel like effort scum put into trying to get a mislynch. LM is skating, sheeped the vote onto me and I think he's mafia here. ##Unvote ##Vote: LazermonkeyEveryone voting for me should really just stop and vote for Lazermonkey or Snickers. I prefer Lazermonkey. BH if scum can wait. I'm not even reading his shit anymore because it's all nonsense and wrong.
On June 24 2014 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Lazer is the best lynch because he is on a short list of people I think could be mafia based on the voting on D1 (myself, Snickers, LM) and now he's opportunistically voting for me NOT based on his own observations but based on the findings and mutterings of others. I've answered any points he's raised against me, and he's just ignored. I think Snickers is town and I KNOW I'm town so I think LM is the best lynch today. Here is why I'd rather lynch Lazermonkey than Koshi.
Artanis, this is also why I'd rather lynch BH than into Lazermonkey / Koshi if you feel so strongly on the Koshi read. Also both BH and LM want to lynch Koshi. I am totally not down for a Koshi lynch.
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On June 25 2014 06:35 Snickers wrote: So sloosh what is your read on me. And I just read it quickly but I do not see how ykz koshi and Lazermonkey are related.
I forgot to type this when I had time but lazer and sloosh both "happened" to not be on the main lynch twice. So have I but I think it is understandable why. Not saying they are both scum, just something that I will try to look into later and something I thought people should know.
Also not sure if they voted town or scum. I believe you town from the nature of your posting and the way that the lynch happened on D2, where mderg unlurked to try to get a counter wagon.
They are related (in the sense that everyone is related) because we know for a fact that there are 2 scum in the game. We can find these by the process of elimination, where if you are reasonably sure that group X is town, then whoever is leftover must be scum.
For instance, I think Artanis, Snickers, Release, Chezinu and Koshi are town. That means by process of elimination that Lazermonkey and YKZ are scum.
Artanis thinks that Koshi could be scum. I think that between Lazermonkey and Koshi, that there is at most 1 scum, due to their feuding nature. That means, depending on who Artanis has a town read on, that someone else must be scum.
I'm proposing to Artanis reasons why I think we should lynch YKZ rather than into Lazermonkey / Koshi.
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Right. Let's do this guys.
##Vote Lazermonkey
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Yea can we just pile on the votes on Lazermonkey? Like, it's the cool thing to do.
It's evident that he isn't doing anything to figure the game out, and even the last reads post he says concerning me and Koshi "nothing really changed since yesterday as I see it. Will try to figure out which one of these guys I'd be most happy to kill though." but has done absolutely nothing in thread to figure it out.
He is acting like caught scum who has run out of easy targets and is waffling around.
Also Chezinu.
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Also, for your entertainment, watch how Lazermonkey and YKZ try to distance themselves away from each other. It's quite amusing.
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On June 26 2014 06:04 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 4: Lazermonkey (2): slOosh, Chezinu Koshi (1): YouKnowZhou Currently Not Voting (4): Snickers, Lazermonkey, Release, Koshi Currently Lazermonkey is set to be lynched with 2 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here.
Sorry about the quick succession of posts. I believe you missed Release's recent vote on Lazermonkey
On June 26 2014 05:12 Release wrote: FFS his late vote was inconsequential, and I had initially thought not alignment indicative. However, under further consideration, the vote will certainly generate discussion about itself, not particularly useful information (I believe), so I see it as an impetus for increased chaos in our discussions. I think Lazer tried to brush off the vote with the few posts after his vote, and stop us from ascribing responsibility to him. However, if you believe that the vote was a well-informed decision (and I don't believe that anything says otherwise), then I have to believe that Lazer intended to cause chaos with the vote.
In addition to his vacillating nature, ##Vote Lazermonkey
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Yea, so I defended mderg a couple times during day 1, and once during day 2 to vote for YKZ. Since YKZ hasn't flipped, me voting YKZ over mderg isn't alignment indicative.
I pushed Artanis and backed off. I pushed VE and backed off. I never pushed bunnies, I just preferred her over mderg at the time. Clearly Lazermonkey hasn't been following the thread.
Convenient? Did I also setup the Chezinu cop claim as well? Wowzers.
Still hasn't voted for me despite thinking I'm superscum. A doy.
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I was framed, you're insane. Npnp.
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Or one godfather and one framer who framed himself? Possible.
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I've been here the whole time. I just haven't found anything worth talking about, since I've been nagging town about YKZ for quite a while, and people are coming around to see my point on Lazermonkey, so all is well.
The checks are easy to interpret for me since 1, I'm part of it, and 2, I've been calling YKZ Lazermonkey scum team for a while so it makes sense.
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Like look here,
On June 27 2014 03:20 Lazermonkey wrote: So, who do I want to lynch then? Koshi. By process of elimination I know that YKZ is likely town. Chez and Snickers are likely town (and also are the guys that will get shot, thus wasting lynches on them is bad). SlOosh I dislike but his green check means that he is likely town. This leaves Release and Koshi. The fact that Koshi has been scummier in general this game makes me want to kill him over Release. But I'm obviously willing to kill anyone in order to survive at this point...
Lazermonkey is spending time trying to convince Release that his town read on me is flawed. This is totally inconsistent with what he just said a page ago, that he likely finds me town based on checks, and Release more scummy than me.
If anything, he should be convincing me why Release is scum. But he isn't, because he is scum and flailing around.
I mean, I don't want to cut down on anyone, but I think it's really really super duper evident that Lazermonkey is scum, and I don't need to point out how everything he says indicates so.
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Release, I read your posts all the time and I really like them
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On June 27 2014 06:47 Release wrote: Forget the check. Stance on YKZ? (goes to everyone) Still scum.
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Do you understand what insane means, herr doktor?
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