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You could have voted epi if you weren't so distracted by tamburini. In fact, that's really the only "frivolous" thing you've done this game, everything else has pretty much made sense.
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On June 28 2014 00:05 Hobbitus wrote:
You could have voted epi if you weren't so distracted by tamburini. In fact, that's really the only "frivolous" thing you've done this game, everything else has pretty much made sense.
I admit I was distracted by mtam. I considered him as a bad town, one that may screw our logical thinking aspect part up. Someone that I do not one with town (with that attitude) during later days. but he changed a bit. So i'm willing to wait to see how he changes and no longer be a distraction of town.
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid.
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On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid.
Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town.
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Vote Count – Day 3
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, Hobbitus
Epishade (1): HaruRH
Not Voting (6): TehPoofter, MeatPudding, Teemursu, Epishade, mtamburini, The_Templar
Currently, The_Templar is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 3 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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OK, I left 5 minutes early, reading posts that have occurred since I awoke.
On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment.I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
So why do you suspect him as scum?
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On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
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All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM.
Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.[quote] [quote] Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:
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"Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open.
(Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote.  ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches.
1) Why does the mafia start the mislynches? You don't explain this at all, only that the lynches aren't necessarily contradictory.
2) Can't you make your own list? Go ahead and do it, it might help your point better than if GlowingBear (who disagrees with you at this point) did it, so why bother asking for one? It's not terribly difficult or time-consuming either.
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On June 28 2014 01:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:
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I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:
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Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:
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This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. 1) Why does the mafia start the mislynches? You don't explain this at all, only that the lynches aren't necessarily contradictory. 2) Can't you make your own list? Go ahead and do it, it might help your point better than if GlowingBear (who disagrees with you at this point) did it, so why bother asking for one? It's not terribly difficult or time-consuming either.
1) Mafia probably started the mislynched (like this one) so that they could get away with responsibility.
2) My list would be something like my scumread list. After all, vote analysis affects it.
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On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. (1) What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. (2) Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. (3) And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have (4) came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. (5) And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. (6) Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches.
(1) Thank you for stating the obvious.
(2) So, what I'm reading here is that "townies will play incorrectly but mafia probably won't, so we can catch them because they're playing well." This makes no sense.
(3) See point 2. Keep in mind that scum is liable to play incorrectly just like town does.
(4) *may have
(5) Why were you so worried about being the victim? You hadn't been really on the map, and the kill of Lord Tolkien seems to show that whoever killed him wanted to either pick off possible scum (and you weren't) or aggressive players (again, you weren't). So it was very unlikely that you were going to die.
(6) Exactly the opposite of Hobbitus's point on the matter. She said I over-explained and felt a need to clarify and perfect my posts concerning my votes (which is very obvious), while you're saying that I don't want to at all.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. so Templar's 'no confrontation' behaviour was scummy, but your 'push Templar with different reasons but tried to link them' behaviour isn't scummy? Didn't understand your question. Are your asking if my push on him is scummy?
He asked you to identify the difference and why one is scummy while the other isn't.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5)
(1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear.
(2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment.
(3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors.
(4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town!
(5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here?
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On June 27 2014 23:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. What. So your new method of thinking is accurate because kotc flipped town and your new thiking put him as town? Why? So who are your townreads and scumreads now?
He posted his town and scum reads at the end of last night, don't act ignorant.
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On June 27 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:
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Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right?
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I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:
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Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:
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This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. I've said they don't compromise themselves, they follow the mislynches. I'm not saying that mafia is starting those mislynches, I'm saying the mafia is identifying these mislynches and are following them.I'll expand what I wrote at the end of N1 as soon as I get to my pc so I can clarify it better
Ironically, this is exactly what you've done up until now.
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
1) I think it's a bit odd. I'm not going to go OMGUS but the more I read it, the more they seem they're both going after me at different but very similar angles and trying to look like they're both town that have arrived at the same, obvious, conclusion.
2)
I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet, because I want to see the reaction to my questions and my reads are pretty weak at this point, but:
The_Templar
Tehpoofter
Epishade
Haru
Hobbitus
Teemu
GlowingBear
mtamburini
Meatpudding
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Well, I didn't really have much to say during Night 2. Still don't really. Cats seemed like an objectively good shot, to me, unlike Token, which nobody else seems to care about why Token was shot.
I really don't feel like I have much to add now. Nobody but me thinks Teemursu is scummy, so I guess arguing for that is a lost cause. Whatever...
If anybody cared to want to know my current scumreads, I could only tell you who I think is mafia, but I really have nothing to back that up with. Just hunches right now.
Hobbit seems a little suspicious to me, but nothing to really go on for him, and I don't feel like filter diving anymore.
mtamburini, I kind of change my mind right now. I think he's just trolling, and I was with Haruhi for lynching him over that, when it's not exactly the right move to make, as much as I think he deserves my vote.
Teemursu I haven't changed.
Poof I also think may be scum, for finding things that I'd do regardless of my alignment alignment indicative, such as caring how others perceive my posts and taking time to word my posts carefully.
meatpudding I've never seen as clear town, and, though I've never seen him as clear scum either, I think he has the possibility to go either way. His lynch would probably give the most information (outside of maybe Haruhi or Teemursu imo) if he came up scum, so I wouldn't mind voting for meatpudding at this point. He was on Token's scumlist too, which is partially what I've been relying on this whole game for forming my opinion.
Everybody else except Templar, idk about. I still think Templar is town. Also maybe GlowBear.
##Vote: meatpudding
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Vote Count – Day 3
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, Hobbitus
Epishade (1): HaruRH
Meatpudding (1): Epishade
Not Voting (5): TehPoofter, MeatPudding, Teemursu, mtamburini, The_Templar
Currently, The_Templar is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 3 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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On June 28 2014 04:12 Epishade wrote:
Well, I didn't really have much to say during Night 2. Still don't really. Cats seemed like an objectively good shot, to me, unlike Token, which nobody else seems to care about why Token was shot.
I really don't feel like I have much to add now. Nobody but me thinks Teemursu is scummy, so I guess arguing for that is a lost cause. Whatever...
If anybody cared to want to know my current scumreads, I could only tell you who I think is mafia, but I really have nothing to back that up with. Just hunches right now.
Hobbit seems a little suspicious to me, but nothing to really go on for him, and I don't feel like filter diving anymore.
mtamburini, I kind of change my mind right now. I think he's just trolling, and I was with Haruhi for lynching him over that, when it's not exactly the right move to make, as much as I think he deserves my vote.
Teemursu I haven't changed.
Poof I also think may be scum, for finding things that I'd do regardless of my alignment alignment indicative, such as caring how others perceive my posts and taking time to word my posts carefully.
meatpudding I've never seen as clear town, and, though I've never seen him as clear scum either, I think he has the possibility to go either way. His lynch would probably give the most information (outside of maybe Haruhi or Teemursu imo) if he came up scum, so I wouldn't mind voting for meatpudding at this point. He was on Token's scumlist too, which is partially what I've been relying on this whole game for forming my opinion.
Everybody else except Templar, idk about. I still think Templar is town. Also maybe GlowBear.
##Vote: meatpudding
so what do you intend to do from now on? Lurk?
Answer my 2 questions.
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Just found out i've been killed.
Thank Christ for that.
I'd completely given up on this game.
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On June 28 2014 04:30 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 04:12 Epishade wrote:
Well, I didn't really have much to say during Night 2. Still don't really. Cats seemed like an objectively good shot, to me, unlike Token, which nobody else seems to care about why Token was shot.
I really don't feel like I have much to add now. Nobody but me thinks Teemursu is scummy, so I guess arguing for that is a lost cause. Whatever...
If anybody cared to want to know my current scumreads, I could only tell you who I think is mafia, but I really have nothing to back that up with. Just hunches right now.
Hobbit seems a little suspicious to me, but nothing to really go on for him, and I don't feel like filter diving anymore.
mtamburini, I kind of change my mind right now. I think he's just trolling, and I was with Haruhi for lynching him over that, when it's not exactly the right move to make, as much as I think he deserves my vote.
Teemursu I haven't changed.
Poof I also think may be scum, for finding things that I'd do regardless of my alignment alignment indicative, such as caring how others perceive my posts and taking time to word my posts carefully.
meatpudding I've never seen as clear town, and, though I've never seen him as clear scum either, I think he has the possibility to go either way. His lynch would probably give the most information (outside of maybe Haruhi or Teemursu imo) if he came up scum, so I wouldn't mind voting for meatpudding at this point. He was on Token's scumlist too, which is partially what I've been relying on this whole game for forming my opinion.
Everybody else except Templar, idk about. I still think Templar is town. Also maybe GlowBear.
##Vote: meatpudding so what do you intend to do from now on? Lurk?Answer my 2 questions.
More than usual, yeah. Nobody seemed to care about my points made about Token's death, Poof's claim that I have a scummy mindset because I generally think about how people will view my posts before I post, or Teemursu's dismissal of just about everything I say,. Everything I brought up was just discarded as wifom, which I still thought should be taken into account for. If you're going to treat everything as wifom, why even bother conversing with each other, when surely a mafia could say anything to sound townie and someone could dismiss that as wifom, too. If I have something to say, I'll say it, but don't expect me to do anymore digging, as much or as little as I may have been doing this game.
I answered your question about my current reads right now up above. Though as for Hobbit and Glowbear, I change my mind on Hobbit right now. I reread what he said last night. I think they're both town.
On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate.
Makes sense to me. Is town. No reason for mafia to bother switching votes and changing opinions. Oh wait, that's wifom...can't take that into account...
+ Show Spoiler +For clarity, I do consider Hobbit town right now. Screw wifom.
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