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On June 23 2014 07:00 Hobbitus wrote: Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion. Or teemu could just post some more. Alright, reviewing it from the top, I really just don't feel he's been forward with his opinions in the second half. The majority of his posts have been pressing questions and opinions from people, which is fine, but he hasn't done much after that. On June 22 2014 16:15 Teemursu wrote: TOWN: Nydus jabber LEANING TOWN: Scott Templar FENCE: TheKingOfCats LEANING SCUM: Meatpudding SCUM: Get to posting! Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him. Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber. Also, quick response to Glowbear: I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point. The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy. Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility. Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum? Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafia When you find out that you have a blue role, the general knee-jerk reaction is that you are too important to the town to risk being lynched or shot by the mafia. This can cause people with blue roles to lurk and exhibit posts that suggest “fear”. However, a good player with a blue role will appear exactly like he is a townie, though this is not easy to do. When you have a blue role, you should be posting as if you are a townie. The only difference is that you are more well-informed than other townies. Use that knowledge to aid the town without letting a feeling of your importance as a blue role alter your posting habits. If you are lurking as a blue, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WELL. All you're doing is drawing attention to yourself by conspicuously not posting anything. There is no tangible benefit to lurking for town, as we can't figure out alignment and shit. PLAYING BLUE IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PLAYING BAD. So if I have to light a fire under your arses, fine. For D1, this is a perfectly sound policy. Anything regarding my push onto Scott is well-tread ground, so unless you have anything new to ask or to add, that's a beaten horse. It's a difficult vote for me right now. Until I get an acceptable defense that isn't an OMGUS, meatpudding is a pretty scummy candidate no matter my potential misgivings of Teemu. The only other option for me I is jabberwocky given the aforementioned discrepancies in his filter and shifting opinions. I want an explanation for it, but it's far less egregious than meatpudding's posts. Which are basically just OMGUS, and pretty useless from a town standpoint. A vote on meatpudding would additionally clear up my muddled picture of Teemu, and a few others, who are currently on him, based on his flip. But it also feels bluntly plausible that' he's just a poor newbie who's struggling to learn the game, since he's pretty blatantly OMGUSing here. But then again he'll be useless in that case so... Well, actually I really like Cats' recent posts and I agree with him on MysteryMeat's apparent discrepancy about our lynching policy towards non-contribution and lurkers. I'd like him to respond to it, because it's a pretty glaring difference when I was way more over the top with my stance on the issue. Probably a D2 case to bring up overall, but I actually VERY much like the case Cats brought up. I also didn't notice that we both proposed the same policy, him bringing it up first. Outside of the apparent frenzy over his introduction, he's leaning town to me now. Noticeably: King of the cats: I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment. tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. Ok you know what, fuck it. It is a VERY glaring inconsistency for MysteryMeat1 to condemn Cats for the possibility of a mislynch and not my push. The post is too reminiscent of my experience with N1k0 in my first TL mafia game. As much as I hate it since I really do want to lynch meatpudding for being a useless fucker, but... ##Vote MysteryMeat1 It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor. But this is what my gut says. Also, glumly awaiting modkills on the 2 inactives (or a swap; 2 modkills is fucking brutal). | ||
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But my scum read on MysteryMeat1 outweighs what I feel about meatpudding. | ||
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what the flying fuck. Nydus: Nothing concrete. Which is why he's strarting to trend scummy for me. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote: Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm Neither did I until I read Cats' rebuttal post. <_<;;;;; | ||
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I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me. meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru. MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green. It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. | ||
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Still waiting on a response from both of them: I need to hear something as I'm very much willing to change my vote here as it was difficult for me to choose. | ||
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Let's agree to consolidate on EITHER meatpudding or MysteryMeat1, until we hear something back, alright? No stray votes anywhere else, let's do our best not to let mafia influence the voting. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote: Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Read above. I'm talking about MysteryMeat. idgaf if you think I'm scum or not for pushing a lynch-all-lurkers policy. I've already cited the section of the Mafia guide which touches on it specifically. If you think it's scummy, fine, w/e. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote: whats OMGUSing? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck AKA voting for someone or thinking they're scum because they voted for you. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:35 Hobbitus wrote: I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that. The general advice I've gotten is that town should generally aim to consolidate voting onto a few bandwagons. Having votes everywhere gives mafia the power of a unified voting block. The more disparate the voting, the easier it is for mafia to hide their influence on the actual votes. If everyone consolidates, they have nowhere to hide. Vote for who you think is the most scummy, but who else is an option besides the meats for you? While I very much dislike jabber's schizophrenic opinions, voting for jabber gets us nothing, in my opinion, at this stage. meatpudding gives us insight onto the people who started the vote and push onto him, and I would say taht MysteryMeats' lynch will give you insight as to Cats' (and my own). If you can compile a case, do it already: we're running out of time. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:42 The_Templar wrote: GlowingBear did something similar to you. Yep. Interesting. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Clearly he isn't town. | ||
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On June 23 2014 11:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok, now please answer the other three. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. This is where I mention blue roles. I later linked to the general mafia guide for how-2-play blue roles in forum mafia, which can also be summed up as DONT LURK. | ||
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I'm not going to change my vote after the recent clusterfuck. I'm even more convinced now. And more confused too, but I digress. | ||
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