On July 06 2014 07:04 Amiko wrote:More co-host thoughts:
Coaching-Related NotesIn newbie games the use of coaches really varies. I always tended to try to talk with my coaches a lot, even to just share some of my current thoughts.
It’s up to players if they want to reveal their coach QT, but I’ll state that the coach usage was relatively low. Partly this is because of modkills & replacements (replacements had more experience, so didn’t have coaches).
As a co-host, I really enjoyed skimming Glowingbear’s CoachQT with Iamperfection.
I don’t feel any of the coaches were bad (most players didn’t use their coaches much, if at all) but I give Iamperfection particular credit because (1) his coaching immediately encouraged his players to see vanilla town as a powerful role for town, and (2) he gave really thought-provoking answers without tying them into the game at all . To be more player-focused, I really felt GlowingBear’s play evolved a lot once Iamperfection asked open-ended questions like “What would be a scum mindset?” and helped think explain the idea as:
In this game, the mafia had a lot of presence on Day 1. Most players seemed to feel the scum players were towny – even the exceptions like meatpudding didn’t seem likely to push to lynch any mafia players as suspects. I really felt that this shift from GlowingBear (along with suspicions from GlowingBear and Epishade) was
vital to build enough of a consensus to start lynching into the scumteam.
I don't say this as criticism of the players at all, but I'd really encourage you guys to engage your coaches when possible! You won't get direct answers, but sometimes they'll help you analyze some things in the game you might not have thought to analyze.
Some ScumslipsI wasn't actively looking for scumslips, but I there were two things that caught my eye:
- Haru on MeatpuddingI mentioned above that coaches can help you analyze things you might not have thought about.
I felt the players in this game did not really attempt to analyze Haru's cop claim. People didn't seem to look to consider whether the people he checked made sense, or whether he seemed to act in accordance with the only check he obtained.
So, Haru claimed to have copchecked meatpudding as green on Night 2.
But on day 3, he lists meatpudding in his top scumreads.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=86#1719- The_Templar on jabberwockzerghttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=84#1666This is arguably not a scumslip. But, The_Templar justifies putting jabberwockzerg as scummy because “Jabber has been more scummy recently” on page 84. The last time jabber had talked was on page 67 – he really hadn’t done anything recently, scummy or not. This isn’t as much of a direct red flag (maybe jabber is more scummy because he hasn’t been talking?) but it really looked like a fabricated read to me.
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