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On May 25 2014 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Much better than the conditional or relative first time :> I think you're absolutely right | ||
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As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it. I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice. I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie. TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda. I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads. I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH. | ||
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On June 23 2014 04:41 HaruRH wrote: Sup there glowingbear :D Never too late you can just call me haruhi like epishade or haru. I think the first thing you should do is to read everyone's reads and comment on them. We would like to see what you think. Alright, Haru ;D I'm having lunch with parents now, so I'll do it when I get home. Expect a huge post a couple hours from now. I want to write something I've analyzed about lurking. | ||
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On June 23 2014 05:16 HaruRH wrote: Reads thus far: Nydus's scumreads on Meatpudding & KingoftheCat Templar's scumread on Nydus Lord Tolkien's lynch policy on non-contributers Haru's scumread on Lord tolkien Epishade's reads Teemu's overall reads Mysterymeat's overall reads and scumread on KotC Scott's overall reads Meatpudding's scumread on Haru Haru's scumread on Meatpudding Templar's reads & scumread on Meatpudding Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy. That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now. *On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim. *On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me. *On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read. *On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now. *On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads. *On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have. That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok. Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point. The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy. Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility. Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum? Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments. I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler + "Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum. ##Vote: HaruRH Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me. I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off. Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here. On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info. Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here. Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads. That's all I have for now." There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner. I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding | ||
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On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  This is what appeared the most scummy for me even if it was an introduction. I'll repeat what I said in my first post: "TheKingOfCats has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town." Then this: On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? You're saying that you should be more active this game because you're town, and that you were quiet before because you didn't know how to play scum yet. It seems that you were arguing that now that you know how to play scum, you will be more active as how you act as when you are town. And what do you do next? Becomes active, but asking vague questions. Like the following: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 22:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general? On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? These, for me, looks so much like someone who is trying to cover his mafia play by saying he can't play scum at all because he stays quiet, then starts being active to justify his town, when he probably isn't. And I don't remember who tried to cover you who I had slight scumread on him atm, it sounded like this person was trying to cover you, that's what gave me more feelings that you're mafia. That's it | ||
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On June 23 2014 08:35 Hobbitus wrote: Bear, any thoughts on me or my reads? Yes Your post on *spoiler*+ Show Spoiler + On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote: Might as well do this systematically: 1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though. 2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me. 3. HaruRH-On the fence I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours. 4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers. 5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu. 6. Solar424 (crickets chirp) 7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp) 8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved. 9. Hobbitus-town obviously 10. Teemursu-leaning scum I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch. 11. Epishade-leaning town Like the logic, want more posts. 12. Scott31337-on the fence Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled. 13. The_Templar-town A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn. 14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence His post just seems careless. Need more info. 15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) 1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. 2) I've got to read more on Jabb's posts, I don't have a read on him yet. 3) I've already said that I have leaning town reads on Haru. I think he is really contributing and pointing out contradictions out there 4) He's been contributing more, but I've got this bad impression of his introduction. I'd say my read on him is slightly scum 5) I think I'm null about Nydus, haven't got any strong scum signals on his posts until now, gotta re-read 6) Solar424 made his introduction then disappeared. It's not just lurking, he wast contributing, then... poof... disappeared. Just a little suspicious. Null read. 7) I love bears and I love lights and GlowingBears are cute 8) I've already voted for meatpudding as I've got the most scumreads on him... so I respectfully disagree with you 9) Hobbitus, I have a slight town read on you, but I've got to see more posts from you to consolidate this opinion 10) Teemu... sometimes he is scum for me, sometimes he is town... can't have a good read on him yet. Really hard 11) Epishade seems really townie for me. I like his logic and his efforts to contribute. 12) I share the exact same opinion about Scott 13) Not a strong town vibe for me, I need more "food" from him XD. Null read 14) Agreed about Mystery Meat. Few information gathered. 15) Le Lurk is Lurking | ||
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On June 23 2014 08:59 The_Templar wrote: What? Did you just say I haven't posted enough? O.o Nope, you've posted a lot, but I still need more to define your positioning. I'm not risking to say your alignment because I still don't have a stein argument although you've already posted a lot. That's what I meant to say | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: First of all in the intros people were posting people were stating how many games of mafia they had played, i was just doing the same. Saying that i'm pre-emptively trying to sway peoples votes by pointing out that i may have a bit more experience then them is stupid because a bad push by a more experienced player will still be bad at the end of the day and people aren't going to say "well he was X so obviously he's right this time". As for the second thing people don't miraculously "know" how to play play scum overnight. As town you have no idea of peoples alignments where as scum you know that the people you're pushing are town and you have to twist things to get them lynched, they demand two completely different playstyles and it's difficult to make your scum game look like your town game unless you've played scum a lot. As for "asking vague questions" well at the beginning of D1 you have nothing to go on, you can't get reads on people if they don't post anything so you have to ask people anything for the simple goal of getting them to post and giving out information, even if it seems trivial it's something to try to get the ball rolling. Also that last post of mine you quoted wasn't trivial. I get your point, but it sounded like you were really trying to set up this "atmosphere" (English is not my first language and I'm missing the word here, but I think I could give the right idea). You have a good point and I may have to re-read your posts, specially your recent posts so I could get a better idea of your possible alignment, but I can't, by now, change my read based on the assumptions I have presented. I still have a bad impression of how you opened your game. (Also, I'm on mobile now, drinking beer, so it will be hard to organise and make deeper posts ATM XD) | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want. I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me. meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru. MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green. It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote: Also, Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok Beer may have slaughtered my brain. Anyway, as Tolkien cited the guide article, that makes a weaker scum reading. Have in mind I'm new and I'm using solely my impressions. If you think my reads are weak, that's fine. If its full of null reads, that's because I can't make an impression of what has been told ATM. I only vote for people who impress me, and I made clear it was meatpudding and Cats. (Btw, if I'm being rude at any point, I'm sorry. As I said before, English is my second language and by no means I wish to offend) | ||
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Maybe not slightly You may ask anything you want. I'll do my best to answer it properly. I'll keep my vote as I don't have enough time to reevaluate my decision and I'm confident on my read, although some may find my reads weak. | ||
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I'd like Tolkien and Hobbitus to post their reads on me, also. | ||
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On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL | ||
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But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. | ||
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Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. | ||
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But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?
please don't think of me this way
