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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor.
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On May 29 2014 04:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor. nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
Oh i must be thinking of a different game where nydus played as mafia. Either way, you have a point.
Well, i guess til i see it, i cant really comment on it then, just giving out my thoughts.
But mayor isnt useless. Im still going to fight you on that point.
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On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.
Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!
Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.
And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?
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On May 29 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless. Yeah!!! What he said HF!!! Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't. And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad? when have i said i wanted it badly? Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care Show nested quote +As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.
Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you.
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Alright, now im leaving to go swimming. Ill be back in a couple of hours.
I still think ritoky is best for mayor, regardless of his freedom thing.
I hope, ritoky, you take into account town's cell order.
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On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.
Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.
I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order?
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On May 29 2014 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
didn't tambo just troll in golden sun as town?
I'm not sure if you would consider that trolling.
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On May 29 2014 06:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.
Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win. I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order? I think Cell A is obvious, Cell C will generate a lot of alignment indicative information, Cell B will be obvious, E I have no Idea, and D I don't trust in final LYLO. Do I think you're mafia because of your cell order? No, but I think it drops you below mderg into 2nd most townie in your cell as of now.
You dont trust cell d in a lylo, i get. I didnt put that last. And yet you dont know about my cell, but would put us in a lylo position?
These are the stupidest reasonings i have ever heard.
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On May 29 2014 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
you see, odin is trying to figure out other people! he's playing the rest of the game! Half of you are just sitting back and debating cell orders and not trying to figure out what anyone is saying at any point at all
I was actually gonna comment on odin.
I like that he is posting now and asking questions and reading into things.
I think because many people auto viewed him as scum because of thrawns lackof posting is stupid.
I also think mz and ritoky took advantage of this fact and one of mz and ritoky could be scum in their cell.
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On May 29 2014 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
ABCED or lose
I almost thought you were putting this in alphabetical order
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I officially hate ritoky. Do you know how much pressure tht is?! What if its lylo! What if I choose WRONG!
Gah.
Doesn't matter now.
Let's get this show on the road.
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On May 29 2014 07:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ you'd better get back here and make me feel better about leaving those shitter groups till the end.
You too poofter. We have 3 days to solve this game bro. You and me.
While i agree d is shitter (i mean tamburini didnt even vote), show me a little respect brah 
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On May 29 2014 07:37 layabout wrote:
i brought it up when i got here and voted for the other guy
If that was bringing it up, that is the lamest most unproductive way to bring it up.
One post, and you didn't even push on it.
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On May 29 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote:Is anyone around to chat? OR is it post election blues? 
Im around. Reading through your stuff now. Might have some questions after.
Do you agree with the cell order ritoky picked?
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On May 29 2014 09:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote:Is anyone around to chat? OR is it post election blues? Im around. Reading through your stuff now. Might have some questions after. Do you agree with the cell order ritoky picked? The cell order is okay for me. I'm worried about cell D the most I honestly would have rather been around for that one if we get to that point because I feel like its going to be kind of a crapshoot. If I was making a scum list based not on grouping but just reads I'd have 2 of the 3 as scum and one as fence. I also know tambo is a good player scum or town so if he finds the time to play and he isn't town I can see us losing on that day. Aside from that the order is fine. I think it will be interesting to see after we get some more info from flips where people stood on the order and what it might mean. For example the latish votes from Shaiopi and layabout onto bat's mayor thing his order might be good info. What do you think overall of the order? I know you don't like to be last but you did win last time you were in LYLO and I'm reading you as town so I'm confident with you being there. What are you reading on today's lynch group? Ask away bunnies. Feel free to tell me how awesome my reads are.
Your reads are actually really good, and i don't have much question to them. I like you as town, but i know how good of a mafia player you are. Cell D is actually the one I'm most worried about as well, but with the forum games i have played with tambo, i think i can read him pretty well. The other two however might be a little harder. So if we make it that far (which it would be awesome if three scum got lynched in a row), then with the information I have now, it is going to be super difficult to pinpoint mafia in that cell.
Yeah, Being last puts a lot of pressure on me, and i didn't want to mess up. I won last game because of someone's gut read on who scum was. I almost lost, so don't put too much faith into my lylo play.
As for today's lynch, i'll go through each of my reads on them.
Ritoky- I don't really like his whole "freedom" thing. I felt as if he pocketed many people with that, you and MZ included. I also didn't necessarily like the order. Here's why. I don't understand why, one: you would put a cell with 2 high town reads as last. I mean, in a way I guess it would be okay, but to him, shouldn't it seem like an easy town win there? Then he also goes as far to say as my cell and cell d are the least contributing and hard to read, yet he had 2 town reads in my cell, so i am a little iffy here. Other than that, ritoky has been contributing, posting his reads and explanation, and i like him for it. But im still a little suspicious.
MZ- he is the one im most suspicious on for his immediate buddying of ritoky. He says he has a good town read on ritoky, which I commend him for going with his gut, but I'm suspicious of this. Also, MZ and Ritoky both tr each other, and with thrawn not talking, this put immediate suspicion on odin for when he subbed in. I feel like one of MZ or ritoky (more leaning towards MZ) could be using to get a mislynch on odin, if odin is town.
Odin- I like odin's posting. He has been questioning and seems to be tying to figure out the game. I believe, as stated before, with thrawns lack of posting, odin has a lot to live up to, and i feel this (being the immediate suspicion placed on him because of thrawns lack of posting) might be his downfall if he is town.
So for me it would be between MZ/Odin as well.
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On May 29 2014 10:06 Tehpoofter wrote:@bunnies Can you explain what about the whole freedom thing makes ritoky more mafia? I mean you're one of the people that brings it up but to me its neutral (funny) but neutral. @Odin can you explain to me in this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. what made Palmer "obvious in cell B"? Why are me and WoS town? @ MZ - What do you think of Odin's entrance to the game? Why is Shaio PI confirmed scum here? + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 09:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
man, read shiaopi's filter and tell me that guy isn't either super tunneled 5 minutes into a game or mafia!
i answer all his questions pretty well and often and then he just asks more and more which I still answer and he doesn't comment on any of them and then fecks off calling me mafia for answering questions too slow lol :DDD HF ShaioPi is already confirmed scum by the founding fathers, not that I'd expect a limey git like you to understand The next post in your filter, you actually say you Don't like bat's first post I might have missed something in context but this is weird to me explain to me how you got to that point. @ritoky Where do you stand in your cell? I realize you gave reads saying you thought it was Odin as mafia or MZ and me. Can you explain why if MZ is mafia I'm auto mafia?
Im not saying the freedom thing makes him more mafia. I said I felt as if he pocketed some people (specifically people from the US) with the freedom thing. If he is mafia, he can use that to advantage, but it doesnt make him mafia. I found it funny, too, but i am being open to ideas.
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On May 29 2014 10:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 10:42 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 10:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 29 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
i am scum and im gonna take potshots at you 'cause you found me so fast.
i am also a terrorist. geez calm down already someone help this guy is pointing out my scumpartner and i need to figure out how to save him. wat. im actually going to post a big fun case on you in like an hour or two or so.
Actual meaning: i'll post a big case on you if I figure out something you said was scummy or not/ use the things you post within the next hour. And if i cant find anything i did say an hour or two...or so... So maybe even more.
Btw: if you cant tell by this post, obi, i dont necessarily like you.
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On May 29 2014 10:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 10:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 29 2014 10:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 10:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 29 2014 10:42 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 10:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 29 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
i am scum and im gonna take potshots at you 'cause you found me so fast.
i am also a terrorist. geez calm down already someone help this guy is pointing out my scumpartner and i need to figure out how to save him. wat. im actually going to post a big fun case on you in like an hour or two or so. Actual meaning: i'll post a big case on you if I figure out something you said was scummy or not/ use the things you post within the next hour. And if i cant find anything i did say an hour or two...or so... So maybe even more. Btw: if you cant tell by this post, obi, i dont necessarily like you. i thought what we had was special. ebwop. also good luck pushing on me, newbie.
Haha. Sorry hun. What we had wasn't special enough. Plus there is someone I like a lot more in this forum than you.
Who said I was pushing anywhere. And even if I was, I can take you.
I may be a newbie, but don't underestimate me.
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On May 29 2014 11:08 layabout wrote:4th because i actually want to play this game but i didn't want to be last cell, tehpoofters town>scum could read High activity>low activity and pretty much all of the colors would be the same If ritoky is town that putting himself first is moronic but if he is mafia it makes total sense. He is cashing in his towncred early on rather than using it to get listened to and then try to help with multiple lynches. He has to tryhard for 72 hours and it seems the majority of people are willing to give him a free pass for "contribution" Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 07:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 07:37 layabout wrote:
i brought it up when i got here and voted for the other guy If that was bringing it up, that is the lamest most unproductive way to bring it up. One post, and you didn't even push on it. what was the point? i arrived pretty late rito had 6 or 7 votes and the next closest was a single vote.
The point was that you could have tried to convince voting ritoky was a bad idea, and push who was the idea for mayor.
Instead you sat back, didn't even give a real read on why you chose bat over ritoky, and the go afk again.
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On May 29 2014 16:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol sloosh that was so bad
You commented on how sloosh's post was so bad, but you never actually gave what about it was bad.
Can you enlighten us please?
Also, I'll have more questions for you on odin's posting after i get off of work in a couple of hours.
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