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hmm, initially i put him in my town circle and eden in my scum circle as i misread his post. So far in this game, it is quite obvious the town is losing since we haven't even managed to lynch a single mafia. Now, when i didn't post for a couple of days i got a warning saying that i needed to be more active.
However, if i was mafia, and by posting just a little, why would i be concerned with posting more. its LYLO i believe, and i want everyone here to believe i'm town. Before i started posting i wasn't really even on your guys radar. I was mentioned in a post here and there but nothing really concrete. I'm town, and i want to win, i think the people who are lieing low at this point have to be mafia like dfs just becasue he would feel no need to post. I mean why would he, there is no suspicion on him, he doesn't need to contribute to anything. When the time comes for us to lynch somebody, he can just place his vote on a town which he ended up doing on sqrt.
I think at this point i would take him out of my town circle and switch him with eden. I also think epishade is scum, but i'm much more confident of dfs being scum the epi is.
##:unvote Epishade
##vote: dfs
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On May 06 2014 11:26 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 08:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys its blowing my mind right now that ritoky is dead. Like it doesn't make any sense. If i was mafia, i would either kill bunny or mtamburini, The reason is that they are both pretty town and mtam at this point is pretty much guarenteed vigi. As a mafi I would like to get rid of a guarenteed town to put the remaining town into more confusion. At this point we have 9 people left and 3-4 mafias.
I'm vanilla town which leads me with almost a 50-50 chance of lynching a mafia.
I think its interesting that ritoky died he didn't like eden or epishade, i think this is probably a big indicator of why he was killed during the night.
Thinking about it any other way doesnt make much sense to me. Also i would like to say that i dont' have a role but got a pm saying that i was roleblocked.
in his posts ritoky is also suspicious of ahswtini, so i would like to lynch one of these 3 today.
Town circle
-Me
-bunnies
-tam
-dfs
fenced
-dravernor
scum
-epishade
-ahs
-eden
-yellow I don't think many people here suspected Ritoky as being scum. (I may be wrong, I'm going off memory here and don't want to look through the whole thread to see people's thoughts on Ritoky) So it's not entirely unlikely for mafia to kill Ritoky as he was town-viewed by many people and probably wouldn't have ever been a lynch candidate. However, I think it's interesting to note that you think Ritoky was killed because he viewed me as scum, instead of the above, that he was town-viewed by majority.What about a scenario like this: Ritoky thinks I'm scum. Mafia kills Ritoky. Someone (mafia) steps up and says that Ritoky must have been on the right path to have been killed. Person that steps up thinks it's suspicious of me since Ritoky died and he suspected me most. I think it's a little suspicious on yourself to point that out and state that that was probably a big indicator of why he was killed, when I think the bigger indicator was how people viewed his alignment.Also, just as an aside, I think it's funny that you place yourself in the town circle, as if that wasn't implied already lol, despite the fact nobody sees you as town right now. I know it wouldn't make any sense to place yourself in scum or fenced pile but I laughed at you doing that.
Even though he may have been town read by the majority, i don't really remember, bunnies is playing more town than anyone, which is why i'm sure she should have died, or even mtam as a vigi claim. Both of those people would be much higher on my hitlist than him. You say that he probably wouldn't ever have been a lynch canditate but i gaurentee that neither bunny nor mtam would be either. And why would you not kill a vigi? Unless you knew that you could just roleblock him to death. Like I also stated above the only reason you would not want to roleblock mtam was because you knew that he would kill yellow. If he had killed yellow then the game would have been over because yellow is town.
Because of this i don't think that it is odd or suspicious to point that the reason he died was because of the people he viewed as scum. Why would the mafia kill him over bunnies or mtam who is obviously more town? It would have to be because of his reads in his earlier posts. I think its really suspicious that you try to sweep this under the rug, and then further by making fun of my overall post. Ahs also comes to your aid. Which makes sense cause i believe both of you to be scum. If it was bunnies or mtam who had made this post, i doubt he would have come to your aid.
Why? its because they are both considered to be almost 100% town by everyone here. However against someone who hasn't been very active, its relatively safe to come out and stand together, because i'm a much easier lynch. We have to lynch a mafia today, and becasue of that mafia really only has two options. Its going to be me or one of the inactive people as those are the easiest to make a case against. The town isn't going to lynch bunnies or tam. And out of Eden, ahs, and Epi 2 of you will turn on the one who isn't mafia. However this could be a little risky so the safest option is to choose an inactive town.
in response to the second part as well
I don't think its suspicious at all, i think its a very valid read, his reads are the primary reason that set him apart from bunny and mtam.
I also find it weird that ahs thinks it weird that i would like to know the thoughts of someone who hasn't posted in a whole 2 days. Its LYLO, and you think its weird i want someone to talk. Ya, i cleared him as two days ago, but if he isn't gonna post and help town then i believe i should rethink my position on him. The fact that ahs is calling it out makes me think that EPI, Ahs, DFS are scum allies.
It would be a huge town mistake if we don't lynch one of these three
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I'm probably going to change my vote to either epi or ahs from dfs. While i do believe that all three of them are scum, i would be more comfortable lynching epi or ahs
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On May 07 2014 02:21 dfs wrote:
Well, this sucks.
Meat - roleblocked, which suggests he's town (except if mafia held off their roleblock to call it themselves and appear as town)
mtamburini - wasn't roleblocked, which is interesting, because when it was clear that he's going to shoot Yell0w he was blocked, but when he expressed his thoughts on being paranoic and wanting to shoot Bunny he wasn't blocked (instead it looks like the block was used blindly in the hopes to hit another power role, because no one else called their roles).
Simple conclusion from that alone:
Yell0w - mafia.
Bunny - town.
Meat - can be either.
Now I regret not voting mtamburini first day because he's been useless just like I anticipated. His day 1 vig flip would have given us Yell0w flip earlier as now I am sure he is mafia.
Also I find it a bit ironic that I called Meat mafia for not talking and now I get accused of the same thing from Meat. I get it and i'm sorry, but I can't help it.
lol, dfs is sooooo mafia. yell0w has to be town. It was apparent to everyone that tam would shoot yellow. This is why he wasn't roleblocked. If tam had shot yellow the game would have been over. Instead mafia used their roleblock on me just in case i was a role and could do something.
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I think its also apparent who the scum is
-dfs
-epi
-ahs
-drav
if there is a 4th mafia.
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On May 07 2014 03:45 dfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 03:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:21 dfs wrote:
Well, this sucks.
Meat - roleblocked, which suggests he's town (except if mafia held off their roleblock to call it themselves and appear as town)
mtamburini - wasn't roleblocked, which is interesting, because when it was clear that he's going to shoot Yell0w he was blocked, but when he expressed his thoughts on being paranoic and wanting to shoot Bunny he wasn't blocked (instead it looks like the block was used blindly in the hopes to hit another power role, because no one else called their roles).
Simple conclusion from that alone:
Yell0w - mafia.
Bunny - town.
Meat - can be either.
Now I regret not voting mtamburini first day because he's been useless just like I anticipated. His day 1 vig flip would have given us Yell0w flip earlier as now I am sure he is mafia.
Also I find it a bit ironic that I called Meat mafia for not talking and now I get accused of the same thing from Meat. I get it and i'm sorry, but I can't help it. lol, dfs is sooooo mafia. yell0w has to be town. It was apparent to everyone that tam would shoot yellow. This is why he wasn't roleblocked. If tam had shot yellow the game would have been over. Instead mafia used their roleblock on me just in case i was a role and could do something. It was apparent he was going to shoot Yellow day1, yet they blocked him. day2 he talked about bunny as possible target, and they didn't block him, which is my point here. They can possibly be both town, just like you can possibly be bullshiting everyone with your rolecall, but i'm going with what fits better in my mind right now. And why would mafia target you? You don't stand out (expect for the beginning of the game), at least Bunny is a better target. I don't think a random roleblock makes sense.
Think about it this way. Bunny and Yellow are both town. He was roleblocked n1 to see if mafia could push a mislynch on either yellow tam. N2 Tam is either gonna shoot bunny or yellow, why block him? He isn't pointing his gun at any mafia. We where all suprised that tam didn't bother shooting anyone. So who do you roleblock next? There is no point in roleblocking bunnies, as she was probably put in jail, so there is no point in wasteing a double roleblock on her. Obviously there is no point in roleblocking ritoky who is going to die in the night cause he can't save himself. If we have 4 mafia then out of the 2 people remaining your only roleblock choice is either me or eden.
I've been posting since the begininning of the game as someone who has a role. I.E. posting little but still letting everyone know i've been keeping up with the thread.
Anyway, you chose me over eden, as in because you only had one of us to choose from as their is no point in roleblocking your own mafia, if you think you were going to win during the night. So just roleblock someone who could potentially do something.
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TROLOLOLOL: My coach got temp banned for a week.
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On May 07 2014 04:14 dfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 03:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On May 07 2014 03:45 dfs wrote:On May 07 2014 03:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:21 dfs wrote:
Well, this sucks.
Meat - roleblocked, which suggests he's town (except if mafia held off their roleblock to call it themselves and appear as town)
mtamburini - wasn't roleblocked, which is interesting, because when it was clear that he's going to shoot Yell0w he was blocked, but when he expressed his thoughts on being paranoic and wanting to shoot Bunny he wasn't blocked (instead it looks like the block was used blindly in the hopes to hit another power role, because no one else called their roles).
Simple conclusion from that alone:
Yell0w - mafia.
Bunny - town.
Meat - can be either.
Now I regret not voting mtamburini first day because he's been useless just like I anticipated. His day 1 vig flip would have given us Yell0w flip earlier as now I am sure he is mafia.
Also I find it a bit ironic that I called Meat mafia for not talking and now I get accused of the same thing from Meat. I get it and i'm sorry, but I can't help it. lol, dfs is sooooo mafia. yell0w has to be town. It was apparent to everyone that tam would shoot yellow. This is why he wasn't roleblocked. If tam had shot yellow the game would have been over. Instead mafia used their roleblock on me just in case i was a role and could do something. It was apparent he was going to shoot Yellow day1, yet they blocked him. day2 he talked about bunny as possible target, and they didn't block him, which is my point here. They can possibly be both town, just like you can possibly be bullshiting everyone with your rolecall, but i'm going with what fits better in my mind right now. And why would mafia target you? You don't stand out (expect for the beginning of the game), at least Bunny is a better target. I don't think a random roleblock makes sense. Think about it this way. Bunny and Yellow are both town. He was roleblocked n1 to see if mafia could push a mislynch on either yellow tam. N2 Tam is either gonna shoot bunny or yellow, why block him? He isn't pointing his gun at any mafia. We where all suprised that tam didn't bother shooting anyone. So who do you roleblock next? There is no point in roleblocking bunnies, as she was probably put in jail, so there is no point in wasteing a double roleblock on her. Obviously there is no point in roleblocking ritoky who is going to die in the night cause he can't save himself. If we have 4 mafia then out of the 2 people remaining your only roleblock choice is either me or eden. I've been posting since the begininning of the game as someone who has a role. I.E. posting little but still letting everyone know i've been keeping up with the thread. Anyway, you chose me over eden, as in because you only had one of us to choose from as their is no point in roleblocking your own mafia, if you think you were going to win during the night. So just roleblock someone who could potentially do something. Yes, I though of it. That Yell0w mislynch attempt option was too obvious for everyone on day2 so most people left him alone (me included, i was betting on vigi, which, again, was a mistake) and some even though he was clear town. You were acting like mafia if anything. Power role whould act as much less as mafia as possible, not super quiet and suspicious. I forgot the fact that Bunny was jailed, so that makes sense. Then again, a random roleblock? Not just random, but on a person who was acting suspicious. A roleblock usualy indicates that that person is town. That's a stupid thing to do if you want an easy misslynch later. So your fake call is a legitimate option in my mind.
What about it was random, if your mafia, you were pretty much guarenteed the win if mtam had shot. If there where 9 people,
we have 4 mafia that you won't role block
so we are down to 5. You are going to kill someone and your not gonna roleblock your kill, so we have 4 people. Bunnies is going to get rollblocked so we are down to 3 people. Your not gonna roleblock yelloW since he is going to die. we are down to 2 people.
AKA me or EDEN, which is hardly random.
I also find it strange that you say gambling on tam was a mistake when killing yell0w would have cost us the game.
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oh, thats true. Bunnies is my most uncertain town read. She was really active early game, and then hasn't really done much. However i would like to lynch her later, in the hope that she gets shot at night.
For todays lynch, epi, ahs, or dfs
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I voted for epishade a bit earlier
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Eden if i was mafia I would have no reason to start talking this much. I've also justified my logic on the previous page as to why i believe i was roll blocked, but for some reason that doesn't count.
So lets go back to my earlier statement that if i was mafia i wouldn't be talking. We've managed to mislynch twice now and we are in LYLO. Up until now i've been under the radar, probably lynches for today wouldn't include me because there are better lynch targets. I can see why people are hesitant to lynch epishade but i guarentee you that he is mafia. At the very least i'm willing to change my vote to DFS when you look through his filter he hasn't really participated at all, and in his last post he says that we should have lynched mtam day 1 who is guarenteed to be vigi at this point. Why would you ever want to lynch a confirmed town?!?!
As for being town, i don't believe town's job is to post a ton. I wasn't very active day 1 but i've been reading the thread the whole entire time. I want to scum hunt and not witch hunt. All those people who where trying to lynch yell0w day1 cause of his claim. I see where they are coming from, but imo scum hunting is different than witch hunting. As for my reads i could say who i think the other roles are but that doesn't help town. A town's job isn't to say who they think the power roles are. I think a towns job is to post when it matters, and right now it matters. It matters sooo hard that we post and converse, but where is dfs and dravernor? I don't see them posting.
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@bunnies, i explained my logic on why i was roleblocked mutiple times. Please read my previous posts...
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Thats false, if i can identify town roles, then i know who the mafia are, i have my town circle, so everyone else is mafia
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yell0w claimed he was mafia and people tried to lynch him
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honestly both, however i didn't make my final PR until just recently,
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@Yellow, tam us 100% vigi, there have been no counterclaims and due to flips, we can see a vigi hasnt died. Its also super risky to claim a role d1 since no one has died. Tam is vigi. Also im about to get bandwagoned soo hard. My reasoning is sound which is why they are trying to lynch me. I switched my vote from epishade to dfs. Both are 100% mafia but people would be more willing to vote for dfs.
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@epishade, your obviously scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=956&topic_id=447955
If you think Eden is scum, why are you voting for the person that eden votes for in MYLO, if eden is scum then he isn't going to vote for another scum... But since your scum your reasoning will be to clear me as town or something.
You also say that you might give your reads on ahs if you had time, only to post an hour later with nothing about him.
I would also say my reasoning for ritoky's death was thought out, and that it seems really scummy that you would sweep it under the rug like that.
I also don't get your reasoning on eden,
You told everyone he was scum, he made even more moves you disagree with such as asking for tam's shot during the night, and then suddenly you say that you are going to hold off on eden and that you will decide later whether he is town or not?!?!?
Your whole entire town play this game has just been a series of fake pressures and being incredibly inconsistent with your claims on whose town and whose mafia. In fact you only call out people who are town to place them under suspicion. I appluad your efforts, but when it comes to people who i know are mafia like ahs, you say you will post your thoughts and then never talk about them again.
I'm soo coninced epi is mafia, I switched my vote from epi to dfs, but im just going to switch it back to epi.
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wow ahs, voting for me in the thread, but not voting for me here... obvious mafia is obvious
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guys i would rather vote dfs then dravernor
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