@yellow: Regarding your opinion on mtamburini, it may just be a difference of opinion. But you were highly defensive and highly concerned with appearance. And I think it is very right that you are pressured heavily based on that fact.
Regarding what you said about sqrt, I could not agree more with "he did seem to be trying to start conversations when there wasn't one, I just don't think he was doing anything when there was one". And in my mind he just did it again. He said there is nothing going on when you and I were clearly interacting. He just seems to be waiting for everyone else to play the game so that he can pick the winning side. Again, maybe it's a stylistic thing cuz basically nothing he says seems town to me so far, but I just can't find any reason to put him on the good side of the tracks
Regarding Epishade, of course we are going to disagree. He came in to defend and deflect for you, that's how I got my scum read on him; but I understand that is the same exact reason why you read him town.
I don't really like your scum reads, as I think I have made it clear multiple times I don't read scum on tamburini and I feel that his play thus far, if he is scum, will lead to his own demise. Sweetfrost, after reading his filter, seems to me to be someone who didn't like the direction of the game, and when he saw me doing something different than what was going on got behind it. To me it is either a townie who has similar concerns as me or a mafia trying to dig deep in my pockets early. I can't really say I have enough info to call him mafia, so for now he is more townie.
I personally don't see tamburini's lynch or sweetfrost's lynch as better than yours currently.
Barring some other evidence the 4 people I am most comfortable lynching as of now are epishade, yell0w, sqrt, and mysterymeat (in somewhat close to that order).
@Epishade: Before I really start typing in response, I have a simple question for you. You find a common thread to be that all of us don't like sqrt. What has sqrt done to make you think he is town?
Sorry for not responding last night, Epishade took a bit too long to reply and I ended up having to go to sleep then work. Going to catch up on everything and give my input.
@Epishade: Well I think the majority of what Epishade was accusing me of was predicated on tamburini being scum and his accusation of yell0w being crap, at least half of which I believe is 90% false at this point. I think Sweetfrost clearing me so easily is something to be wary of and I even said so, but I also think you have done very similar things for just as little of reasons in this game.
I think you're shady for 3 major reasons: 1) You have been non-stop deflecting and trying to get all the attention off of yell0w. When the pressure turned back up you tried to throw it on tamburini. 2) You're respond to those who are reading you town with only positivity and to those who are reading you scum with aggression. 3) I read your filter and almost every post has the word bunny in it or is a response to a post made by bunny. In my reads earlier I told bunny to be wary of people lining their ducks in a row up behind her, and you're very guilty of doing this. You even agreed that tamburini looked a bit weird when someone pointed out that he kept appealing to bunny to get on board the yell0w train. I think you have been doing similar things but in a more subtle way.
I also think there are redeeming qualities to you: 1) I think you really are looking at people's posts and trying to figure out alignments. 2) You do legwork rather than the stuff that Ashtwini is doing where it is regurgitation and hopping on a BW 3) You're willing to be and admit to being wrong.
Those redeeming qualities are some of the reasons I haven't pushed heavily for a vote on you thus far, even though I have said you are scummy.
On May 01 2014 07:37 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah this claim is fucking stupid. - If there's a mafia roleblocker, mtamburini just wasted our vigilante for literally no gain. - Even if he's not roleblocked, we have no way of knowing he's not the serial killer. In fact, his specific suggestion that the parity cop check him tonight and someone else n2 would fit perfectly with a serial killer planning to pick investigation immunity tonight. - I think an actual vigilante would have thought through these problems before claiming. - Even if we ignore the above, look at the context. This claim is basically "I'm just gonna claim because yolo didn't read." What purpose does this serve? How does this advance the town agenda?
I don't think mtamburini is mafia, but I'm thinking there's a good chance he's the serial killer. I'm going to reread the whole thread and see how I feel about everyone else; I don't think this changes my scumread on Yell0w because mafia/sk is, from what I remember, a decent explanation for their interaction.
While I'm reading, I want everyone online to tell me what they think about mtamburini's claim.
@Eden: I mean, I thought everyone else saw what I saw when tamburini claimed he was leader of the town. I thought it was him softing a role that was going to come out early (such as cop) or a role that is self-proving (such as vigi). Hence why I was buying his cool-aid a bit more. I guess maybe that was only me that read into that.
So instead let's do a Cost-Benefit Analysis (CBA) of this situation: The world where tamburini is vigi: In the world where tamburini is vigi, he claims he will shoot tonight. If he does shoot tonight there are a couple possible results: 1) He shoots mafia, 2) He shoots a town, 3) He gets roleblocked, 4) He shoots into protection. In the event that he doesn't shoot, then he doesn't shoot and will be under heavy pressure and asked to explain himself. In the event of outcome #1 or #2 occurring we have a CONFIRMED townie for as long as he remains alive which results in a humongous boon for town. Essentially meaning that not lynching him gives us probably somewhere around a 50% chance (based on how you guess the game is set up) of having a confirmed town tomorrow, and probably a 15-20% chance of having a dead mafia + confirmed town tomorrow. (warning: these numbers are not actual calculations, they are made up in my head)
The world where tamburini is sk: In the world where tamburini is sk, he MUST kill tonight (at least from when I have previously played sk's must kill every night), and thus the same 4 outcomes will happen: 1) He shoots mafia, 2) He shoot town, 3) He gets roleblocked, 4) He shoots into protection. The major difference between these two worlds won't actually happen during day 2. I think that if outcome 3 or 4 happens, he will have some explaining to do; if outcome 1 or 2 happens then he will be essentially confirmed town for day 2, BUT when 2 kp happens again on night 2; it will be 100% confirmed he is sk and he will henceforth be lynched.
The world where he is neither: I see 3 real outcomes to that: 1) he logs on in a few hours and claims this was a reaction test and makes reads predicated upon that, 2) the vigi shoots him in the night for false claiming, 3) he comes back day 2 admits he was fake and trying to save himself from a lynch, and we have to judge him from there.
I will let you make your own determinations in regard to what you feel is best, but personally I think there is 0 reason to lynch him right now. His claim is such that he will demonstrate who he is over the course of the next 2 night phases if he lives that long. Plus he gives the town potential for a night kill on a mafia AND a confirmed townie by tomorrow. I just don't see how you don't want that potential. Unless you are claiming vigi over the top of him, in which case he is 100% mafia or sk and we have to decide who we believe.
Also, as I mentioned briefly in the above post, Ashtwini has climbed up my scum list quite rapidly. His posts were all basically summarization and voting on players for other people's reasoning. He was also 3rd on the vote against tamburini, and for some reason I am always skeptical of the 3rd person. 1 is skepticism, 2 is suspicion, 3 is the beginnings of a BW.
On May 01 2014 13:06 Eden1892 wrote: I'm running through the possible scenarios and not getting any non-obvious conclusions. If he's the serial killer we want to lynch him, if he's the vigilante we don't want to lynch him, there's no surefire way today to know the difference, and the serial killer and vigilante are identical as far as the mafia's incentives go -- a source of additional nightkills that could get targeted at them but are statistically more likely to hit town -- so the mafia aren't going to do anything that would let us discern the difference. Hell, he could even be the vigilante and plausibly survive the night depending on whether or not there's a jailkeeper or town roleblocker in the game -- if the mafia player sent to kill the vigilante was roleblocked or jailed, then there'd only be one kill and mtamburini would be alive, in which case we'd probably assume he's a nightkill-immune serial killer and mislynch him anyway. There's just too many possible role interactions to verify anything with certainty.
No, I don't think there's any "policy" decision to make, so to speak; the logic from role interactions doesn't give any absolute conclusion like it does in some cases (ex: don't lynch a d1 normal cop claim and make the mafia play around it). It comes down to whether or not you believe his claim. As I've argued before, his claim makes no sense from a town POV. He was completely unprompted. It was way too early out to be claiming to avoid a lynch. If he wanted to confirm himself as town he'd have waited until d2 to claim and then he'd have shot tonight, then claimed the kill on d2. No one asked him for his claim, and it distracted us for the last few pages. Furthermore he's done nothing substantial besides this to scumhunt or make any progress toward clarifying the game state.
I guess it doesn't come as a surprise to me because I felt he was softing it since the very start if the game, hence why I find it more believable. I agree with you that his contributions to the town thus far are fairly low outside of what I feel still was a decent call out on yell0w. But I disagree with you that he was "unprompted"; he had the most votes in the game at that point and suitable momentum headed toward him. I think it was a case of claiming earlier to avoid it looking like a desperate and made up claim.
As for what you said in regard to scenarios I am still mulling that over in my head and thinking about possible outcomes, so I will take a rain-check on responding to that part.
On May 01 2014 14:22 Yell0w wrote: Also, ritoky, I am pretty sure mysterymeat1 was third to vote against tamburini, not ahs.
On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote: I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out you said this.
On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote: So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia.
Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia?
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
Wow... Just wow...
Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.
##VOTE: Yell0w
On April 29 2014 11:53 mtamburini wrote: I need to prove to myself and the others that have played with me that I am not a donkey and can find scum. My piss poor performance from last game mis hammering on Moose had bothered me for a while and when I heard there was another noobie game I was excited to come back and gain redemption.
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
Wow... Just wow...
Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.
##VOTE: Yell0w
I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table. It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.
Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened.
1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny.
These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.
On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote: Right, then, time to get to work.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost
I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck?
Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once?
Just to point it out, how is this question better? She's basically asking the same thing, wondering what she did that was scummy so she can stop doing it.
I'm just saying.
She didn't ask how to be more towny, she asked why is she getting slack for pushing on you and voting on you when Eden just casts a vote on someone who has not said a word and has no accusation towards then.
If you can't see the difference in questioning and tone from your question to hers then I don't know what to tell you.
On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote: @sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them. What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far.
I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too)
Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else?
It is way tooo early in a mafia game to start trying to pocket someone this hard. Literally at least half of his posts are bunny lets do this, bunny lets do that. She ain't your gf bro. Also I like how in the last post i quoted, dfs points that yellow has been cleared and tamburini asks for details on yellow first and mentions other people as an after thought. [/QUOTE]
On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote: @sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them. What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far.
I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too)
Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else?
It is way tooo early in a mafia game to start trying to pocket someone this hard. Literally at least half of his posts are bunny lets do this, bunny lets do that. She ain't your gf bro. Also I like how in the last post i quoted, dfs points that yellow has been cleared and tamburini asks for details on yellow first and mentions other people as an after thought.
I literally just brought that up in my big post 40 minutes ago or so.
On April 30 2014 15:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote: ##VOTE: mtamburini
#freeYell0w
On April 30 2014 16:03 Epishade wrote: ##VOTE: mtamburini
Ok, so I've been looking through filters for a while now, and have come up with my likely scumteam candidates: Sweetfrost, Tamburini, and Ritoky. I'll give my reasoning.
The main thing that I can see between these three is that all of them are pushing really hard for Yellow's lynch, but also clearing each other at the same time.
Sweetfrost clears Ritoky as town and is trying to kill Yellow while attempting to discredit Bunny (and Sqrt) through these posts.
On April 30 2014 05:43 Sweetfrost wrote: I can understand that it seems supicious that I don't want to voice an opinion on everyone in the game but since I'm not really sure what I think about the people I haven't talked about I feel it would be stupid to talk about them. I'm not going to give an state an opinion that I actually don't belive in.
But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum.
So to sum it up.
Cleared : ritoky Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt
On April 30 2014 04:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Other than your yellow read, what are your reads, @sweetfrost?
Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts.
As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow.
Sweetfrost's plan was to undermine Bunny by saying that he thought she was trying too hard to play townie. I disagree and think Bunny was moving town in the right direction by engaging Yellow in that initial push.
Ritoky has been slightly accusatory against Sqrt, which is in line with Sweetfrost's opinion on Sqrt as well, as shown in the post above. They are slowly building up support against Sqrt to lynch him at a later time it seems to me.
On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote: sqrt:I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.
My biggest problem with Ritoky though, is how quickly he changed his opinion on Yellow. He first decided that Yellow was likely not Scum when it seemed that pressure had been taken off Yellow. However, when Yellow was pressured again and started piggybacking off of what I said earlier, I think he saw an opportunity to bandwagon people against Yellow.
On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote: I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure.
^Ritoky said this before Yellow got suspicion on him again. His wording here is what throws me off a bit. "I don't think Yellow is scum right now at all." He says this when pressure starts dropping off of yellow. Then, a little later on, Yellow is put back in the spotlight. Eden votes for Yellow, then Ritoky decides to join in by saying he isn't opposed to a lynch. I think he thought that, with other public support against Yellow outside of mafia, he'd be able to bandwagon against Yellow as the first lynch.
On April 30 2014 13:15 ritoky wrote: @yellow: Regarding your opinion on mtamburini, it may just be a difference of opinion. But you were highly defensive and highly concerned with appearance. And I think it is very right that you are pressured heavily based on that fact.
Regarding what you said about sqrt, I could not agree more with "he did seem to be trying to start conversations when there wasn't one, I just don't think he was doing anything when there was one". And in my mind he just did it again. He said there is nothing going on when you and I were clearly interacting. He just seems to be waiting for everyone else to play the game so that he can pick the winning side. Again, maybe it's a stylistic thing cuz basically nothing he says seems town to me so far, but I just can't find any reason to put him on the good side of the tracks
Here is where he attempts to discredit Sqrt.
Tamburini has been desperately trying to kill Yellow way too hard.
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
Wow... Just wow...
Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.
##VOTE: Yell0w
I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. This sounds like a flimsy excuse to me to lynch someone. Obviously town SHOULD care that they appear townie. You want to try everything possible to stop from getting lynched. Acting town AS A TOWNIE is the best way to accomplish that. He even continues his assault below.
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
Wow... Just wow...
Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.
##VOTE: Yell0w
I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table. It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.
Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened.
1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny.
These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.
I believe Tamburini was trying to get Bunny back on Yellow's case so that she might rally other people in support against Yellow so that he and his group would be able to vote for Yellow with the majority of Town.
On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote: @sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them. What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far.
I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too)
Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else?
When dfs comes into the thread and says something against Sqrt, Tamburini says "I like this fellow" and basically nothing else. Once again, he's working one small step at a time to get support against Sqrt with his team. Then he asks dfs what he thinks about Yellow and/or anyone else. He doesn't just say "Can you give more details on anyone?" He makes sure to include Yellow outside of that 'anyone else' so that dfs would be more likely to respond specifically on Yellow. Then, if dfs thought that Yellow was scum, Tamburini would have even more support to lynch Yellow.
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I believe that Eden had some good reads to come up with on Yellow (like that he wasn't actively scumhunting) that led to him arriving to vote at Yellow at his own discretion. I still wouldn't classify Eden as scum, but I do disagree with his vote.
tldr: I think Tamburini, Ritoky, and Sweetfrost are all scum for a couple of factors. They all want to get rid of Yellow. They've shown distrust in me and Bunny, whom I would consider the most town player here so far. They have cleared each other at different times (Tamburini as an exception, hasn't cleared Ritoky and Sweetfrost, but has been cleared by them). And, they've all shown support against Sqrt as well, which I assume is to lynch him easier down the road.
This is a great post. I have nothing insightful of my own to add to the analysis there.
However, out of the three, I think mtamburini is the best lynch here. ritoky and sweetfrost's posts are better in that they talk about many different people, whereas mtamburini seems to be gunning straight for yell0w. Therefore it'll be handier to keep ritoky and sweetfrost around for longer as we can get more information out of them provided they continue their way of posting.
I have to go to sleep, and in the event that I don't get back in time for right near the deadline I will go ahead and vote now.
I am going to ##vote: ashtwini. For me, he is currently a combination of non-helpful play and slightly scummy. I don't like how he was 3rd on the tamburini train citing only someone else's reasoning as justification.
I also find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone wants to lynched a claimed vigi with no current counterclaim to him. The potential gain of having him alive is so much more valuable than almost anything anyone has typed thus far. It is an utterly bad idea for town imo.
I couldn't make it home before the vote is going to expire, I skimmed the thread from my phone; and will read when I get home.
I believe tamburini's claim. I don't really read sweetfrost as more scummy than a lot of people. I am down to lynch epishade, ahswtini, and sqrt. If I need to move my vote off of ahs to one of the other two, then hopefully I can in time.
I am home now and going to post real quick before I make some dinner.
Now that I can sit down and actually read through what I missed, I don't know how those of you here didn't 100% read him as town. If he is mafia or a role in that scenario he would have been wayyyyyy more desperate to stay alive. I simply don't understand how you read his posts and don't think he is town. On top of that there were basically 3 votes in rapid succession on Sweet for what I thought was the worst reasoning of the day.
On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
I think this post is funny because: #1 the only person that Sweet seemed to have a particularly strong scum read on was you.
And I also think that you missed the context in which his early posts came. He liked me a lot, partly because he liked my reads but I felt mostly because my reads were independent and different from the momentum of the game at that time. There was a lot of anti-tamburini people at that time and a lot of people thinking what he found on yell0w was complete crap. I find it suspicious that the same people who were primarily leading that charge early on were the same people that lynched him. So either they are a group of townies who are just straight reading the game wrong or we got some scum pushing agendas.
On May 02 2014 09:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Rit, I would like you to tell me what you think of the sweetfrost lynch.
Did you not read my last post? Or anything I have posted for that matter?
I think it was a BW that happened quickly and for the worst reasoning of the day. Particularly after he started typing toward the end. I think there was certainly 1 mafia on it, being Epishade, and potentially 2; second being you. If I had enough time to check my phone 1 more time before the voting ended I would have taken Amiko's advice and switched my vote to you.
Outside of that I feel my stances on everything that happened during the day phase is pretty plain, you just have to read my posts.
On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts.
You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that.
Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts.
You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that.
Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player?
If you explain what you are thinking and the direction you want to go during the night phase, from my previous experience it can result in disaster. For example: say you're completely right in everything you believe and you say it all during the night, then the mafia can simply kill you to try and nip it in the bud. Say you're completely wrong in everything you believe, then the mafia can kill you and say "hey look that person is confirmed town, let's look more closely into who they were suspicious of".
The positive is that it gets more information out there which is good for town, the negative is that it gives the mafia more options and paints larger targets on people. At least that is my personal opinion on the matter. I can understand if you disagree.
On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts.
You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that.
Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player?
Well, generally you just don't. Unless you're me, and you think you're gonna get killed N1, and you're vanilla town, so you have nothing to be afraid of.
This too, in the first game I ever played and some subsequent ones after that there was no talking at all during night phases. It was kinda a stylistic/storytelling thing, that town sleeps at night and most people don't speak in their sleep.
At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this.
Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer:
1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages.
2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post.
3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse
On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think we can. No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town.
4) You wait around for other's to make cases:
On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Good. Now, someone should do a vote analysis. Or anything really, I want to talk.
"Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them.
On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go!
On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again.
On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him. I'm gonna push an ahs lynch. ##Vote: ahswtini
Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it.
And not buying you as town.
I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later.
but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1
On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote: At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this.
Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer:
1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages.
2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post.
3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse
On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think we can. No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town.
4) You wait around for other's to make cases:
On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Good. Now, someone should do a vote analysis. Or anything really, I want to talk.
"Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them.
On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go!
On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again.
On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him. I'm gonna push an ahs lynch. ##Vote: ahswtini
Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it.
And not buying you as town.
I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later.
but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1
#1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing.
#1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at.
EPT
