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On April 15 2014 21:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? I see no reason to think he is town. That doesn't really answer the question. Exactly. I am going to be very upset if this is a game in which I have to drag every piece of information out of you. You can clearly see I am considering Omni as scum, you say he is towniest town that towned and don't give a single reason. Who is at fault here? I am trying to scumhunt here. You are trying your best to be obstructive. Not pressuring Omni at all, calling everybody who thinks there is a slight possibility he is scum bad (as you don't think there is a reason to share your 100% townread on omni) and you are wasting our time. So. Can you give all your reads so far this game and give me an explanation for those reads? I want to go forward.
(1) Why would I pressure Omni, I think he is town?
(2) I haven't called anyone who thinks omni is scum bad. Why are you making up things that are clearly not true?
(3) You don't want to drag every piece of information out of me, but you admit to not answering my questions properly on purpose, and then try to say I'm the one being obstructive? What?
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On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...
If I get rb'd then it's fine, the DT gets a check at least
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On April 15 2014 21:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. Don't like. The supposition that he is pushing a scum agenda by pointing out scum slips is ridiculous.
There is no supposition. His own definition of his play denotes that he is not impulsive but instead is systematic and decisive. I don't see that in him calling 2 people scum so early, especially Skanjab1s who is most likely town for that claim.
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On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.
I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.
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On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.
"I am going to be very upset if this is a game in which I have to drag every piece of information out of you."
How is that bullshit?
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On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.
Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.
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On April 15 2014 21:54 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:26 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? I see no reason to think he is town. That doesn't really answer the question. Exactly. I am going to be very upset if this is a game in which I have to drag every piece of information out of you. You can clearly see I am considering Omni as scum, you say he is towniest town that towned and don't give a single reason. Who is at fault here? I am trying to scumhunt here. You are trying your best to be obstructive. Not pressuring Omni at all, calling everybody who thinks there is a slight possibility he is scum bad (as you don't think there is a reason to share your 100% townread on omni) and you are wasting our time. So. Can you give all your reads so far this game and give me an explanation for those reads? I want to go forward. (1) Why would I pressure Omni, I think he is town? (2) I haven't called anyone who thinks omni is scum bad. Why are you making up things that are clearly not true? (3) You don't want to drag every piece of information out of me, but you admit to not answering my questions properly on purpose, and then try to say I'm the one being obstructive? What?
(2) You are by not explaining your reads.
(3) I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
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On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.
Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n.
You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him.
The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking.
On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB
But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.
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If he is mafia he isn't forced to have a RB on him at all.
That's my point.
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On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.
This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through.
I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.
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On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.
Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that.
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On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that.
No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.
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On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that. No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.
I wasn't doing that at all. I was explaining why I thought you shouldn't add "needs to be RB".
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So back to useful things.
Any scumreads anybody?
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Or super duper townreads?
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On April 15 2014 22:23 Koshi wrote:
So back to useful things.
Any scumreads anybody?
Does Alakaslam always post like that?
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On April 15 2014 22:25 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:23 Koshi wrote:
So back to useful things.
Any scumreads anybody? Does Alakaslam always post like that?
It's mostly "worse" or shall I say stranger.
There is a serious lack of Chupazis, Hijoles and lampshadings currently.
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On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.
You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:
And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.
The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.
He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.
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