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On April 15 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Or super duper townreads?
I read town on OneThousandWords
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus: Show nested quote +And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.
The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.
He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.
unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/
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EBWOP: what OneThousandWords said
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Also for what it's worth I like Skan's claim. Although I think it's fake and can be a detriment to town if he really is Vig or just VT scum has to deal with that during N1, and by itself I see it in a good light. I disagree with Djag in thinking that single action makes him scummy.
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EBWOP: sorry for so many posts in a row there's a period missing after town in the above. =/
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I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.
Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.
Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.
What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town.
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2) OTW questions Djag about his own self-meta and not about his reads.
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On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.
Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.
Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.
What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town.
I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far
+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that. No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.
I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but
"I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)."
I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it.
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On April 15 2014 23:59 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.
Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.
Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.
What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town. I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far + Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that. No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy. I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but "I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)." I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it.
1- Did you play any mafia game as a scum?
2- If your answer to the 1st question is no, can you tell me how you define your scum meta?
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EBWOP: As I have never played a single game as a scum, I can't define my scum play. I would probably just play survival until having enough numbers. To explain this in one word: Masquerade.
Talking about my own self-meta: I'm still as systematic, calm and careful as I described. I just didn't describe my "system".
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On April 16 2014 00:22 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 23:59 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.
Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.
Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.
What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town. I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far + Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit. Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there. Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n. You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him. The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking. On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum. This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through. I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point. Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that. No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy. I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but "I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)." I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it. 1- Did you play any mafia game as a scum? 2- If your answer to the 1st question is no, can you tell me how you define your scum meta?
I was referring to the soft "I'm a newbie" claim rather than not playing scum before which is hardly your fault lol
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You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.
The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?
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On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.
The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?
It was actually 2/3. Both were pretty obvious :D lurking, bandwagoning, not helping town at all. Obvious scum tells, consistent for all 4 game days.
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On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.
The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?
I noticed, why else would it bother me that he starts going back to being so inexperienced when it suits him? you contradict yourself with those two sentences if you are getting on my case about being irked by the soft newbie claim.
If you are asking just for clarification though then yes, to repeat myself for you it does.
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On April 16 2014 02:47 Koshi wrote:
How did it suit him?
how does it not suit somebody to tell everybody how they think they play town/scum and then say "ah but I'm too new to hazard a guess about myself guess we'll never know" after it's already been pointed out that he's doing the exact opposite of what he said his town play is like.
you serious with these questions Koshi? They're really bad dude
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I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.
And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.
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On April 16 2014 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.
The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim? I noticed, why else would it bother me that he starts going back to being so inexperienced when it suits him? you contradict yourself with those two sentences if you are getting on my case about being irked by the soft newbie claim. If you are asking just for clarification though then yes, to repeat myself for you it does.
I filtered myself and looked at every single post of mine and I don't see where I "go back to being so inexperienced when it suits me".
On April 12 2014 21:10 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: OMG I have to remember not to edit.
This post comes the closest and it was a considerable time before role pms were distributed. Can you please explain how you got that impression?
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On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.
And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.
No, I blame him for playing it period.
Also On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.
The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?
you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.
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