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Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#263
I need to sleep so ill be going off.

I want to see val and sqrt post more. It has been 18 hours and they haven't done anything of note. Val promised to post something earlier, so I expect to see something when I wake up.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 00:37 GMT
#351
- The slip in the followup post. I never said anything about whether this is the right or wrong day. Looks to me like lies are piling up on top of lies here.


Why are you dodging answering this? Context: this is point 5 of eden's agurement. Here's your answer to it:

5) You just made a case about my second post being 20 minutes following up my first post. sqrt had 3 and 1/2 hours since VALENIUS posted his question to OK, and 15 minutes to Robik's WTF to OK's post, and had time to make a joke post referencing Robik joking about never being mafia on TL. Perhaps it's just me, but I really dislike that.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:15 GMT
#371
yo, my sleep post was like really long ago and before I asked you another question. This is so many mistakes that you have made in reading the game... please step it up if you are town, because that's what im leaning on the moment. More elaboration on my thought process soon.

I haven't posted much today since some unexpected stuff came up, and I haven't had the time to follow the thread/post (only skimmed through). Reading it now of course.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:16 GMT
#372
EBWOP: reading the game refers to him reading what people are saying, not his reads on others
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:37 GMT
#373
I believe that LT's trap is actually legitimate despite how bad it looks initially.

The first point that supports this is the trap itself + Show Spoiler +
I still need to read the LIII mafia game thoroughly. However.

OnceKing sounds town as all fk. I was originally suspicious of his initial "serious" post due to OK's early Day 1 behavior versus early Day 1 LII newbie mafia game and was going to comment on it, but I re-read the old thread and reversed my initial opinion on it (originally thought it was inconsistent, but I reread his case on Amiko and it didn't mention the lurker lynch policy). He's been pushing town towards active discussion since then, asking for reads, and generally steering conversation towards positive goals, so he's establishing himself as town thus far.

IAmRobik also feels town to me, though I still question why he feels OK's post is out of place given the context (unless it was scumbait, that was my first thought). The post is still useful pressure and discussion for town, though, and there is no reason for scum to be so forward, so early on in the day, especially with the possible game-states (no godfather game-state). And his posts subsequent read fairly town.

Valenius is super town in my eyes, he's cleared for me.

Pixelated is neutral or slightly scummy to me.

Eden feels even more town for me. He's actively pushing the Cavalinho case and scumhunting aggressively in Day 1, while being the most active contributor to the thread thus far. Clearest town poster in my mind, as he's giving reasoned arguments here.

Cavalinho sounds...well, aggressive in all his posts. And he's OMGUSing without presenting a case, period. But given his past game behavior, he also does this when he's town so I'm not sure if my scrumread on him is wrong. Like, this is almost a repeat of LII Day 1 in terms of the Cavalinho lynch progression, however without any substance from him. I'm leaving him as possible scum atm tho I'm confused by it. Maybe the most scummiest read I have, even his past town play aside. Like
I'll answer your question when you answer mine.
and
No, I simply felt like you were dodging the question.
should mark him as clear scum, but...might just be his playstyle.

I also happen to think his OMGUS vote is him trying to look innocent because he's aware of his meta (not the post beforehand he noted that Robik townread him in a previous game because he OMGUS'd then), but that can go either way. What's telling is that he fails to develop his vote, he just puts it down and insists it'll be me or him today. That's dumb and not what a town player should be doing.

This is actually a strong analysis of what I was trying to say.

You know what, Cavalinho isn't angry and pissed off enough to have the righteous indignation like his LII newbie game, nor still tries to contribute. Or hell, contribute an actual case for his OMGUSing.

sqrtofneg1 has thus far been fairly disconcerting to me. I indulged him with the Hearthstone convo, and I think that's irrelevant to the thread thus far. It was a fair shot at getting something going, if inflating his filter/post. After the first actual serious post to pop up Day 1 (the OK policy lynch), he posted this
Fun fact: I've been mafia once, only once, in my fair amount of irl games.
and didn't respond to the looming topic at hand, then had a sleep post. Like, its non-contributive lurking at best. There was definitely things available to comment on at the time of his sleep post. Hell, by the time of that post, IAmRobik had already made his wtf post about OnceKing's lynch policy post. It piggybacks off IAmRobik's joke posts, but he at least follows up with substance after there's clearly something to respond to. He still has time to become an active contributor, but seems to be a scum lurker to me. Probably my primary lynch target today because I'm still fking confused by the signals given off by Cavalinho's playstyle and posting patterns.

On March 26 2014 13:31 IAmRobik wrote:
RE: Sqrt

In what world does a mafia come into the game and start talking to himself for 10 posts? Mafia has all the reason in the world to sit back and not do shit and contribute when something is happening and then push some random town who is on the chopping blocks. I don't give a damn if it was 10 posts of filler about how he's doing today and how his HS run was going.

The exact same reason you were pushing on OK for: because it's good to make the appearance of contribution. idgaf about the HS posts too much, but the fact he continued the joke posting and made a sleep post before contributing anything useful makes me unhappy.

Quick point to RolandJarvis before the plunge, that was a continued joke post. I was jokingly referencing the LII newbie game where I was OMGUSing OK hard for focusing on me Day 1 (mostly for some inconsistencies in his case). Posted that and the correction right as OK was posting the policy lynch post (note the policy lynch post being nestled between that post and the edit), which is the first serious post of the game, which should have been a clue. I'm overall happy with your contribution, however, and I would recommend you read the LII newbie game, since quite a few of the players here were in that game (and should give you a general idea of our playstyles as town (I think all of us present played as town that game), so you can get a feel for us. You voiced the concern about OK only voicing his read on IAmRobik, but his playstyle is (at least, going off his LII and stated gameplay) to only give his strongest reads. So this isn't inconsistent or scummy for me, just how he plays. Just like how Cavalinho still confuses the fk out of me.

Or you might have and the mistaken use of punctuation in the post confused you.



Overall, I'm quite happy with the way this thread activity has been. no ded gaem

Also, my sleep schedule is fked up, so I may be responding at odd times such as this.


Looking at the reads, what one will immediately notice is that his read on me and val are really, really different from the rest. The rest he gives some reasons, whilst mine and val's are simple one liners. This is to me an indication that this is at least planned, because I really don't think mafia will craft a reads list and not put in effort to classify two people for no reason at all, especially since I did have some posts (enough to comment on imo). He has also explained and given his rationale for all 5 of eden's points, and I do feel that they do make sense.

Point (1) is okay in my opinion.

Point (2) I agree that the entire thing is a retarded trap, and I don't agree with it. Problem is - why would he do such a thing when he knows (or at least ought to) that it would bring alot of attention? (Lying will catch attention and openly admitting to doing so is thus bad for scum to do since it brings the spotlight onto them) On the other hand, bad townie might be a plausible explanation for the derp.

Point (3) I really don't agree with Eden on this one, I think that LT's explanation is clear enough. My statement can be inferred as a null read, which I feel is valid enough.

Point (4) Could be townie being derp. Again I don't see why mafia will want to bring uneccessary attention to himself.

Point (5) He took a really long time to answer this one, and his excuse was that he derped and saw the question wrongly. How he does that I really question, but I feel this adds to the possibility to him being a townie. Why? This is because mafia when under pressure will undoubtedly be much more frantic, and is more likely to re read and ensure that their counter agurements make sense, and that it answers any doubts that town will have. (Unless of course they can give no logical explanation - but LT gave one in the end. (sort of))

The main crux of my agurement towards him being town is this - The original structure of the trap seems to me that it was planned, and I think he has done a decent job explaining his motivations for doing so. Basically, I feel that the scumbait, however bad and poorly planned it was, is legit. Sure, there are some holes, but oftentimes I feel townies will make logical errors as well. This is why I rather not go for a LT lynch today, because this play doesn't make any sense as scum. Sure, it could all be an act as bad townie to appear innocent, but I don't think that he will make such a play considering how high risk it is.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:39 GMT
#374
I still need to do more reading before I come to a conclusion on who I want to lynch for today. Will follow up with more later.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:44 GMT
#375
Robik: I really want to hear your thoughts. I'm not sure if I can stay till lynch time since thats really late (6am) for me (its already quite late now and im quite tired). Do you think my opinions on LT make sense?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 15:58 GMT
#378
Cav opinions on my read on LT?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 16:32 GMT
#384
His reaction to that just seemed like pissed off town to me. Its really similar to you I think. Eden was tunneling both of you really hard, and his reaction is kind of similar to yours, just expressed differently. He tried to respond at first (and did so for very long), yet Eden refused to accept many of his points, and I think at this point he just got annoyed and posted that. I really don't think he was intending to vote himself. You on the other hand were also definitely annoyed (I inferred that from the tone of your posts, correct me if im wrong) at him tunneling you, but you just expressed it as Eden being possibly scum.

Obviously I understand that you would prefer him to yourself, but who else do you think is scum?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 16:42 GMT
#395
@Robik's case.

I didn't have any major reads at that point because I am quite uncertain of things. LT's trap crap initially had me going wtf, why would town do this, but after some thinking I came to that conclusion that I recently posted (wasnt as strong at that point in time since he hadn't finished explaining himself). I didn't post it before I went to sleep because I wanted to see him defend himself more, and other people's opinions on him.

Cav's lynch looked good to me because I don't understand why he felt that OK's initial post was weird, found his responses to pressure as off, and a minor point which I dont think I mentioned, he seemed to want to dodge direct pressure (asking you why you were targeting him specifically with that question). His recent responses actually give me the impression that he is pissed off town, and I thus dont really think he is scum anymore. Doesn't mean he is clear as this is simply something that I feel off his posts and I really can't pinpoint what exactly it is. The only thing I dont like is his initial read on sqrt who I dont really like atm.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 16:46 GMT
#401
Sqrt why? Also thoughts on LT.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 16:56 GMT
#408
Sqrt, I haven't played with robik before but I think you have. Do you think he has been playing similarly to how he was when he was town?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 17:17 GMT
#423
He voted me.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 17:42 GMT
#428
Okay, im really tired and need to sleep. Since I am not really feeling like LT and Cav are good lynches anymore, I am placing my vote on val, as I like onceking's case against him the most. Wanted to wait for val to get back to respond before deciding intially, but I had a long day and my brain is kinda fried.

I don't like sqrt as well, but I think I prefer val

##Unvote
##Vote: Valenius

I will try to wake up an hour before lynch, but I will probably sleep through my alarm so don't count on it. Will be here for awhile more can answer any quick questions.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 27 2014 23:30 GMT
#525
...

@Onceking, wasn't around as lynch was 6am for me, and i had a long day yesterday and was really tired, and had school today as well. Slept through alarm. Wanted to wait for val to respond to your case actually, but decided to just go sleep.
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 28 2014 12:18 GMT
#538
On March 28 2014 06:59 Valenius wrote:
night everyone


This post stood out to me. This is one minute before the flip. Why would val not wait a few minutes to find out the flip, but instead go to sleep? (I am sure that any townie would wait 5 minutes to check the flip, for obvious reasons) Like, would you go to sleep wondering if the lynch was correct when you can easily confirm it if you wait a very short period of time?????

My interpretation is this - he went to sleep because he already KNEW what cav was going to flip, and thus did not need to see it. This reeks to me of 'okay I did my job, mislynch secured, now I can sleep.' And yes, he did indeed leave due to the fact that he had no posts after the flip. I expect some reactions like 'damm' or something or maybe some thoughts on the flip if he was around.

What do you all think of this?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 28 2014 12:34 GMT
#540
Why? Is it too much of a stretch?
Pixalated
Profile Joined March 2014
Singapore38 Posts
March 28 2014 13:00 GMT
#543
I inferred that as a sleep post since you didn't post anything after that. If I interpreted it wrongly my mistake.
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