Doctor Who Mafia 2

On March 30 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:


I start most games out with a random vote. Why is this your biggest concern when I clearly voted for rayn at the point where he hardly even has a post? Are you unfamiliar with the concept or do you think that my vote had malicious intentions?

On March 30 2014 12:33 kitaman27 wrote:

Probably not. He clearly isn't aware, so why ask twice whether he should be expected? Doesn't seem very relevant to me.

On March 30 2014 12:39 kitaman27 wrote:


I don't find it to be a real issue?

Is that something you're trying to spin as scummy by getting me to say as much or what?

On March 30 2014 12:44 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm actually questioning your statement about the slam vote.

On March 30 2014 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
i agree

On March 30 2014 17:47 kushm4sta wrote:
LOL. insta caught rayn again. Last time this happened his response was identical. "i dont care about this game"

On March 31 2014 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush lynching a third faction has nothing to do with scumhunting.

On March 31 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Maybe you are mafia because you seem to know Slam is not.

On March 31 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Where the fuck do i say i believe his claim. Maybe you are mafia because you are lying.
You have now 2 bad posts.

On March 30 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am now telling everyone that survivor claims should always be lynched unless there is 100% scum because:
1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming
2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping"

Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed.

On March 31 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
maybe you should all vote for me because that case is awesome!

On March 31 2014 03:28 kitaman27 wrote:
For someone who doesn't care about the game, you sure do like to waste time defending yourself.

On March 31 2014 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:


Hey, I'm not the guy pushing a mass claim in a recruiter setup.

On a side note, it's quite possible that mafia numbers are going to be nerfed on day one if there is a alignment changing mechanic. We could very well be dealing with 1-2 at the start.

My policy on slam is that if he refuses to role claim, he doesn't care about winning with town and should be lynched. The "I hate my role, I'm just going to quit" attitude is worthless.

Vivax, you know you have a reputation for not posting as mafia, so what gives?

Do you have a mafia read yet hope?

On March 31 2014 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is one person who can meta me and they are not in this game so your question is useless poofer.

On March 31 2014 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Well I voted Rayn so for posterity

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

On March 31 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yes i am trying to find mafia lla the time.

On March 31 2014 04:53 Amiko wrote:


@Alakaslam
Slam I think right now my feeling for voting you is, at worse we lynch someone who isn't town, at best we lynch mafia.
We can look at your reads after you are lynched but let's look at them now instead.

I see your reads as:
rayn -> you see as scummy, you voted him
kitaman -> his vote was suspicious
thrawn -> scum with rayn
djo -> likely scum

so I am wondering why you didn't answer me with kita/thrawn/djo?


Also if it cheers you up alakaslam, I looked for on the Dr. Who creature list to see if there was a creature like a planar dragon. There isn't a planar dragon but there is a dragon. It that lives on "Svartos" and that made me happy because the word is a little like Svengali.

On March 31 2014 05:16 Amiko wrote:
@raynpelikoneet More from me


I can talk a little more but don't think it'll interest you much:

I took kitaman27's vote on thrawn2112 as somewhat scummy. I'm fine with writing off kita's initial vote as RVS, but his later vote on thrawn for joining him seemed late. I don't feel that committed, though, because I have trouble pointing to where exactly RVS does end in this game.

I thought Vivax's post here was fine (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#426) but his post here felt out of place given the thread direction (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=26#502)

Although I disagreed with tehpoofter on his vote on you, I don't read him as scummy from the post.

If you want to drop discussion of massclaims that's fine, but if you think it'll help town I'm glad to engage on that topic more.

@tehpoofter Slam as Survivor or Mafia


I think it is more likely he is a survivor than a mafia. It's not based on much, but I the way he claimed felt more like an offhand comment and not in a defensive post to try to get votes off of him. I don't know Alakaslam meta besides that he uses unusual words so I'm willing to sheep somewhat on reading him while asking him some questions myself.

@tehpoofter What do you think of my comments on your vote on Alakaslam in this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21089733)?

On March 31 2014 06:09 Amiko wrote:


@tehpoofter: What do you think the chances are that Alakaslam is Survivor vs. Mafia vs. VT?
Right now I'd guess, like, 70% survivor or traitor / 30% mafia / 0% vt. I guess there's also a chance he is some other 3rd party role.

On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless

On March 31 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote:



Any reason why?

On March 31 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:

I never said I give up, but I'm not going to "defend" myself from anything when rayn is out for slam's blood and will likely get his way.

On March 31 2014 06:28 Hopeless1der wrote:


Yeah but maybe one day rayn will learn to tone it down a notch instead of pulling stuff like telling everyone they're bad/shit/stupid for simply disagreeing with him. In the meantime, he insists we can totally scumhunt while we circlejerk around slam's impeding doom.

On March 31 2014 06:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i'm starting to believe in kita's theory about # of scum on D1 because there really aren't that many scummy people around

eh. i hope austin posts soon

On March 31 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:

not particularly.

On March 31 2014 06:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm not reading everyone as town. i'm reading a lot of people as town and I have a few null reads.

about the slam stuff, i literaly don't want to talk about it any more. but I will answer this question. i do not think that his wincon interferes with my win con. if he is survivor then he knows that he needs to obey town or else possible town kp will remove him. so i don't think that lynching him is the best way to deal with him.

On March 31 2014 03:56 Vivax wrote:
What if there's a traitor in the game and he can claim survivor cause town doesn't know that it's possible?

On March 31 2014 12:20 austinmcc wrote:
Hey slam, I have the ability to make up an item every day and pretend to give it to someone. I will pretend to give you a made-up item if you will assist me.

Today I have made up the Cerulean Rectangular Prism



I will pretend to give you the Cerulean Rectangular Prism in exchange for you completing the following mission. All relevant information for your mission is contained in the following points:

(1) I have read the thread.

(2) I have summoned forth a mighty frowny face at the focus on slam's claim, mass claiming, and whatever rayn is doing or not doing.

(3) Lo, I am not particularly townie on the filter of one tefpoofter. I believe it shows a lot of tiny questions that appear to have little followup or little reason to really be asked, they appear to be questions asked just so that questions could be asked.


Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sally forth into The Hinterlands and report your findings to me.

On March 31 2014 13:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey, I just caught up to everything but sorry my weekend has been busy and I don't have much time tonight. Will be able to participate all day tomorrow when I get to work but gonna give some initial reads:

Rayn - I don't think scum would have the balls to push hard for a massclaim. I also agree w/ alot of what he's saying. In particular the stuff about alaska. top town read atm

alaskaslam - Yeah I don't see how we don't lynch him. I'm always about the low risk play. Basically he's either mafia or not town. Lynching him is pretty automatic IMO

tehpoof - it's been kinda mentioned, but this really sounds like a scumslip to me
like my first thought after reading alaskas claim was "What if he's lying?" poofter doesn't even seem to consider it. Which is even stranger since he had a pretty strong scumread on alaska to begin with:
Like, how does he go from that to "Oh ur 3rd party? ok lets lynch rayn for pushing you!" ???

More tomorrow.

On March 31 2014 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if every scum have a role what scum claims blue in their first post?

On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying.

tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game.

I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town.

JJD also looks okayish.

so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe.

On March 31 2014 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities.

and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta?

On April 01 2014 06:00 kitaman27 wrote:
You guys are aware that gumshoe hasn't voted right?

On April 01 2014 06:34 austinmcc wrote:
No I wasn't there and now I am.

I feel no different and still think it's a bad idea, especially when everyone gets fakeclaims anyway.

I think tehpoofter is the scummiest bro on D1. And as of now, since nothing much has happened since lynch. I expected to be in thread at deadline but was pulled away by a phone call, was not around for a gumshoe swap.

I have not been super pushing his lynch the last couple hours, because people seem unreceptive. We'll see what pops out of chatting with him during the night.

On April 01 2014 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim.

Do you believe him?

On April 01 2014 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:

I will be lynched tomorrow and the general attitude.

And I want an example.

Treat me like trash for no reason and I will return the favor to an unreasonable extent.

On April 01 2014 07:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Also I am still pissed because rayn was town...

If rayn had been scum I would probably have cooled off and definitely would have started plugging through filters to do my best.

but feh

see this was started for no reason by town.

On April 01 2014 07:12 austinmcc wrote:
Nono, I want to say do you believe him for fun. Did you believe him doesn't matter, because the situation has changed and his claim has been proven so it doesn't really matter what you thought previously.

Nono, no need for specific posts. When you say you're a meta-based player, he was acting differently than previously, you have only played one game with him? Did you go and check other games of his?

Vivax has posted enough on hopeless and toad that he looks like he actually found a thing he's been interested in and was trying to do stuff with it. If you like magical meta, this is NOT A TREMENDOUSLY GOOD EXAMPLE, but vivax was just scum in III Titanic, and did not post very much at all. Here's he's posted more than there, and him following a train of thought about specific players reads okay for me. He's not a shining beacon of townieness, but I lean town on him and I don't want to drop a Cerulean Rectangular Prism on him.

On April 01 2014 07:17 austinmcc wrote:
re: vivax

It's not just the amount of posting or that he's found a thing, but ... if he was lurky he'd be lurky. If he were causing havoc he'd be posting more and about stranger stuff. If he were just trying to comment and get by then he would be doing that without speaking a bunch on toad and hopeless.

His actions look more to me like a townie who has a train of thought to pursue, and don't really fit any pattern of scum behavior that I'd particularly expect.

[B]On March 31 2014 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh maybe poofer is town after all. He has probably the most posts and to a relatively new player it's highly unlike he is scum.

On April 01 2014 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere?

You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late.

But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else.

Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period?

On April 01 2014 09:55 Alakaslam wrote:

Get scum to piss me off without NK me

On April 01 2014 10:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Kira probably town but not strong

Kush saw as I do and made his famous meta point on me

Hopeless1der is probably town

Vivax is null

On April 01 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
if you have some way to influence the vote secretly and don't tell us now, and we find out later, you are fucked. so best come clean now

On April 01 2014 12:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think we can deduce if the vote changing is mafia or townie based on what effect the votes have on the game

fact: rayn is town
fact: whoever caused the extra vote did not claim it
(future fact: the voter will probably not claim his vote)

seems like a mafia power to me.

On April 01 2014 17:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i am bored and drunk, but oh well.

what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening?

hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough!

anyways, anyone want to chat?

On April 01 2014 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you

On April 01 2014 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Yes. I don't think the case against you is terrible. You were on my radar earlier but have mostly fell off since I feel like kita scumslipped about the 2 of us being town earlier.

And yeah I talked to him alot about aslam and I think his stance there is pretty awful. I have no idea why anyone would think slam is town @ this point.

On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight. I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today.

The biggest thing about rayn right now is how sure he is. I know that even with the case I have made, I'm not completely confident. He is sharing his reads with certainty with no evidence that he has looked at my past mafia games or questioned me at any point prior to me presenting the case. The biggest thing to address for him regarding my alignment is the shadow connection that I tried to make. Yet rather than suggesting that I tried to duplicate the town meta so that he would develop a town read on me, he ignores it completely.

Onto hopeless:

+ Show Spoiler +

I didn't really think too much of the post that Toad/Foolishness pointed out. Hopeless shows signs of guilt with his slam vote. As a town player, I'd expect annoyance from slam's play, yet this comes off as slightly apologetic. His defense of rayn at the start I found scummy and these posts sound as if he is writing them as mafia to sound town, but I admit that is a weak line of reasoning here.







These posts seem like the ideal mafia scenario if rayn is indeed town, which would be opportunistic from his perspective. He makes the assumption that if rayn flips town, I must be mafia. This is scummy because up until this point, he hasn't hinted at having a mafia read on me or having a problem with my case. In fact, he defends me explaining how I could coast along with the slam lynch. So there is a gap in logic here if he would be so open to my death.

At first, I really thought that rayn and hope could be scum buddies. rayn exploded with anger about Toad's post. He then showed a defeated attitude, as if he had no choice but to vote hope for an incredibly, incredibly weak reason. As buddies, he would have to anticipate a huge wagon on hope at that point and I wasn't feel the sentiment at that time. Since then it seems less likely that they are both mafia, with a shifting read on hope to town from rayn and an attack on rayn from hope after my case.

I would say that hope is scummy to me, but the discussion about the town vs town is all speculative, pre-flip analysis, which I'd want to avoid. The biggest point is how open he would be to see me die to enforce the 1v1 trade, without making any argument as to why we must be of opposite alignments.

There wasn't enough here to make me move off of rayn here. I'd like to do vivax/djo next and see if austin's points have any merits. austin himself I've ignored for the most part and I'll likely continue to do so until a red flag pops up.

On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote:


I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia.

On April 01 2014 18:31 Djodref wrote:


I think this one is hardly relevant The one you quoted above is though
But both of these posts shows that JJD is actively looking and paying attention to potential scumslips, which is rather a townie thing to do.
What do you think about this poof ?

On April 02 2014 06:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
i did

On April 02 2014 06:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
My invention has nothing to do w/ my role. I got an unexpected PM saying I received it.

Basically I can shoot my nuke @ anyone and they will get hit @ the end of the phase ignoring medics and vets. It doesn't specify day or night so I think I can shoot it during the day.

I assume whoever gave it to me, named it that to entice me to use it on slam so I don't waste any time talking about lynching him so I'm pretty sure that's what I'm gonna do unless someone has an objection.

If I'm allowed to post the exact PM I got then I will.

On April 02 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote:
Halfway around, but just discovered U.R.F. mode on LoL.

On April 02 2014 11:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Well I'm hoping that kita gets lynched. I think he's really likely to be scum but like 90%. I probably shouldn't have said confirmed scum but I wanted to let it be known that he's a real strong scumread for me. Slam is 100% not town.

Plus, if slam is survivor, I think it's better to take his lynch off the table since votes on or not on him wont tell us as much as votes on or not on Kita.

On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.

On April 02 2014 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure.

On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote:
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down.

On April 03 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey tehpoofter! are you around? did you get converted or something? why did you stop playing during D2

On April 03 2014 18:08 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm not saying I'm confirmed, I'm saying there's no reason to consider me mafia or town because I'm not really playing the game and you're not listening. And no I didn't know that.

On April 04 2014 05:59 austinmcc wrote:
Toad you care to reveal what you're hiding in the hopes of pushing people elsewhere?


This is kind of what I'm talking about. Even if you're not reading, you just reveal a role name, hide information, get lots of votes, and do nothing. It's not just inactivity.

On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
austinmcc - hella town
kitaman27 - hella town
Hopeless1der - probably town
thrawn2112 - possible scum
JarJarDrinks -possible scum
Vivax - probably town
Djodref - possible scum
Amiko - possible scum
Tehpoofter - possible scum

On April 04 2014 06:11 austinmcc wrote:
Things to do:

- make everyone take stances on some people, we all need a few townreads and scumreads. Someone pointed out earlier that this was good because then folks have a hard time post-conversion. We're two days in, buncha dead people we don't want dead, we NEED people to make reads because then we can laugh at them when/if they get converted and we can murder their faces. Their red, red silver faces.

- sorry toad

- I'm serious about some kind of cyberman alert thing IF we have an inventor. I don't expect this to be a no-KP game, given we had a medic, but protection is good and stopping conversions is good.

- we should look for awkward phrasing from people D1 on slam. It's a minor thing, but scum would KNOW he wasn't scum, and was likely 3P (or town, hi austinmcc). They may have overly used 3P language, undersold the chance he was scum. It's NOT A MAJOR THING AND IT'S NOT CONCLUSIVE, but there's a chance someone looks particularly odd.

- Djo seems more townie because of the first popcorn. This is stupid, but I continue to find him townie.

On April 01 2014 19:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
Thread is dead again. I'm going to bed.

Gum please speak at some point that would be amazing.

@everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role.

Also before the night ends I think everyone putting in a top 2 town/scum reads (and including Slam is automatic bullshit) would be really useful to pigeon hole people who might be converted to scum in the night. Refusal to do this will be looked upon by me as scummy.

On April 04 2014 14:11 Amiko wrote:
@tehpoofter
I'm going to bed soon but if you are still here let me know if what I am saying about hopeless makes sense or if I'm just sleep deprived or something

On April 04 2014 04:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

Here's the real reason i wanted ot lynch vivax:
I'm a modified watcher

A targetted B
Vivax Targetted B

I know the role name of A.

I do not actually know who A is or who A targetted.

On April 04 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
"You are Mickey Smith, ex-boyfriend of Rose Tyler. You hate it when she leaves on her escapades with the Doctor and have even taken to following her for what little time you see her. You are a watcher, but you target whoever Rose Tyler targets. (You never see Rose visit someone and if Rose isn't in game, it is a random selection of who you watch).

You win with the Town."


Rose targetted "someone". Vivax also targetted "someone". This is all i know

On April 05 2014 10:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would prefer a check only on one of kita/me, especially if it's an insta-check

On April 05 2014 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.

When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?

(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff)

On April 05 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote:


why was djo the random kill and not jjd?

On April 06 2014 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
just post your role pm please!

On April 07 2014 04:06 kushm4sta wrote:
it's okay. my army of cyberzombies will kill you all

On April 10 2014 02:36 austinmcc wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT BE SCUM I WILL #SADSQUAWK AND #RAGESQUAWK AT YOU AND IT WILL BE LOUD

Hope illness clears up

On April 10 2014 02:42 austinmcc wrote:
There couldn't have been 4 alive, and 2 are gone. Hopefully just the 1, or we're in big trouble. The numbers would depend on exactly what they do at night, and whether converting is something that can be RBed or not. If only Kush could convert, we should just have 1. If ALL can convert, we have 1 or 2 depending on RB.

On April 07 2014 12:39 Amiko wrote:


I'm gonna be honest and say I did consider this.

On April 10 2014 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I leave this game in austin's capable beak. Roleblock thrawn and hope kp is not factional. Good luck, I wont bother doing anything else.

On April 10 2014 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:

you'd like that wouldnt you. If I find out you are scum, "excuses" are my new policy lynch.