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On April 07 2014 14:01 Amiko wrote:Also @hopeless Sorry if we are overwhelming you a bit, but what is this post trying to say? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21139682Reading it, it felt like you were scumreading kush but I didn't understand why since he had already flipped. I don't see it as particularly scummy so this is a lesser priority for me, but I want to make sure I didn't miss a point you were trying to make.
Reasons to be suspicious of kita: the entire "claim" and use of the scumometer was a planned scum event to fool the town. (possibly)
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On April 07 2014 13:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 13:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 13:45 Vivax wrote:
Precisely, that's roughly 30 minutes after that post. He uses a connection based argument that involves a supposed null read. That read had nothing to do with my read on you, it had to do with my perceived read on JJD and what a scum-JJD might do vs what a town-JJD might do. Scum JJD lies to get one of us lynched. Town JJD does not. You say he's town cause he doesn't want to lynch me. That implies scum would want to lynch me. That implies you knew or at the very least knew I'm town, after a post where you call me null. So no, the read didn't have nothing to do with your read on me. Next you say TP is scum for not mentioning kita after you said he was working towards a town objective.
I didn't intend to infer anything about your alignment, I wanted to infer that scum love chaos and pitting town against itself, which is achieved by calling my check/your actions into question, something that JJD did NOT do, hence town points.
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I need to go to sleep, good night guys.
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so we're cool here to chill until deadline right?
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On April 01 2014 21:22 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 19:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
Thread is dead again. I'm going to bed.
Gum please speak at some point that would be amazing.
@everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role.
Also before the night ends I think everyone putting in a top 2 town/scum reads (and including Slam is automatic bullshit) would be really useful to pigeon hole people who might be converted to scum in the night. Refusal to do this will be looked upon by me as scummy. None of this makes sense.
This is the only thing I saw on a quick glance through kush's filter.
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#sqeuakt
If I were a betting man, I'd say kush knew poof was town when he said "makes no sense". Thats as much thought as i've put into that. I'll give things a better look tonight after kita flips and whatnot.
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I don't have actions, my role is passive. There is a good chance that i still get a (useless) check. Whatever as long as you refrain from changing your tune to kp/convertions are factional and roleblocking me proves nothing.
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On April 08 2014 04:47 Amiko wrote:Not happy that tehpoofter isn't in thread - I'll try to look through interactions myself regarding him tomorrow. On the other hand, feeling relatively good about the kita nuke since he hasn't chimed in. We'll see. My preference is that tomorrow hopeless claims what he saw before anyone confirms their night actions. Since according to his role, as claimed,  the watched person should be randomly selected, this information has a fair chance of being useless. But, if he does see anyone I'd like to have that information handy since maybe it'll be inconsistent with other actions and help us get potential scum down to two or three people. Stay safe and stay town :3
I'm fine with reporting my claim asap
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I have no results to report. I assume I was successfully roleblocked.
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On phone, but I want to look at the timing of that quotr I called 'fishy'from poofter under the assumption that kita was converted n1.
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On April 09 2014 01:04 Amiko wrote:
@hopeless1der
If original scum is likely between you and thrawn, is there anything specific in thrawn's filter that you feel most suggests that thrawn being scum?
I promise to do this within the next 12 hours. If I dont, lynch me without remorse.
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yeah im around but havent dove filters yet.
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On April 09 2014 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Can you just give me like....rough sketch of where everyone is? You are currently of the belief that Poofter is le mafia? Or someone but unsure?
I still have it PoE'd to thrawn and poof, poof is winning in my mind atm. You are too BIRDGOD, Amiko addresses almost everything, gives thoughts and is basically completely transparent.
To me one of them has to be original scum for things to make sense. Otherwise, I expect Kita would have vigg'd N1, so yeah...poof or thrawn.
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thrawn, we explicitly tried to abuse that meta read in I think LXIII when we were both scum and wanted to pull a fast one on rayn iirc. This makes me have bad feelings about thrawn now. I should get his filter open in the next hour or so to start going through it under the assumption that thrawn is the last scum (as per amiko's request)
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On April 09 2014 06:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does lxiii have to do with anything? we didn't try to abuse it, i tried to abuse it, you weren't even reading the qt qhen it happened. and you didn't get upset in there, you got angry.
->From LXIII
On November 18 2013 14:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Fuck it, Yolo
##Vote: iamperfection
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lol wrong game
##unvote
##Vote: thrawn2112
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From our Mafia QT: /m308
hey hopeless, really go crazy on my "u mad" post
remember the town tell I'm looking for is sadness or depression, not anger. town hopeless gets sad in these situations
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Thrawn's Read Re: tehpoofter, some quotes highlighted red for emphasis, Things that I think are general inconsistencies based on the same information.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 31 2014 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities.
and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta? On April 05 2014 11:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
also, I can no longer feel that special "tehpoofter" tingly feeling that lets me know he is 100% townie On April 06 2014 05:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
except that I love poofter's D1 and don't like him too much since On April 08 2014 15:21 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 15:13 Amiko wrote:
I see the game state like this:
It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand.
So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch.
After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita.
After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet.
I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though.
Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct?
Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two? Yes, tehpoofter's D1 looks incredibly townie. I think there's no possible way for him to be original scum. I played with him in a game right before this, and I immediately recognized him as town based off his first post. His D1 in this game felt close enough to that other game for me to give him the same read. Not only that, but his activity in this game was like 3x his activity in the other game. He's a new player and I don't think many new players are capable of having a more active scum game than town game. I haven't looked much into hopeless filter yet but that's just because of how strongly I feel about tehpoofter's D1. BTW. There is no way that I'm original mafia and I make this post during N1: Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
yep, what slam just said. You and austin are both pretty strong town reads for me. Toad seems town, i guess? He made a pont about him becoming less worried about me after i started responding to him normally, and now i'd like to make the pont that I like that he likes that i started responding to him normally. The only voter not on the rayn wagon was gumshoe. Simply due to the number of town reads I have, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia. Austin made a good pont earlier n that his inactivity shouldn't be alignment indicative becasue he posts more as scum and town, but it's his willingness to troll about flavor and be absolutely useless when he does post that makes him scummy.
I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town.
So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon.
kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5)
hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct
I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo.
So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game.
and that leads me to.....
KUSH get the fuck in here note that I was the first person to notice and call out the extra vote mechanics. i talked about the extra vote for much of N1, talking about how scummy it was and how the person who did it needs to claim, etc. do you really think I would do that if I were kush's scummate? I know that when he finally announced that the extra vote was his, I townread him for it even after saying the extra voter is probably mafia. But I think my reasons for doing so were justified, and if you read the post where that happens it should come across as pretty honest because I was speaking very directly about the weird state of my read on kush.
Stuff about Kush's double vote + fake scumometer
+ Show Spoiler +Initial reaction to Kush's doublevote claim On April 02 2014 09:53 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 09:47 kitaman27 wrote:You still think kush is sketchy? When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game. On September 16 2013 20:56 kushm4sta wrote:
OP might not be survivor but he is probably 3p of some type. All the scum are going to be dying to kill him because he is an easy lynch with obvious reasons for wanting to lynch him. On September 17 2013 23:05 kushm4sta wrote:
If i was cop I would defend a survivor in TWO SECONDS because it's a dumb lynch if he's a survivor. On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:
yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit. It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well. so my read on kush is kinda fucked 1) going into N1 i was more interested in hearing from him. i town read him early, but he hadn't done much so I needed to see him post more. AND since I was townreading so many other people and felt more confident about those reads, I thought he muight just be scum because of PoE 2) i thought that the hidden vote mechanic must come from mafia 3) kush claims the hidden vote 4) now I think kush is town again lol it was the way he claimed it that made me think he's town. he wasn't defensive about it and didn't seem to understand that people would find him suspicious for using a hidden vote to lynch town rayn. if he was scum he probably would have not claimed it or the claim would have been at least a bit defensive -> Kush town for doublevote claim Later on On April 05 2014 05:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm most interested in hearing kush's full claim. in fact I think i will be policy voting him until he posts it, becasue I don't think the sneaky extra D1 vote sistuation has been resolved adequately On April 05 2014 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
why didn't you inform town that your vote was going to count twice on D1? note that its like 3 days later before thrawn wants to question Kush for his double vote...but he's already given kush a townread so....what? Conspiracy theory: Since Kush faked his check, this quote looks bad On April 05 2014 10:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would prefer a check only on one of kita/me, especially if it's an insta-check After Kush fakes his check: On April 06 2014 10:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush why did yu check kita after townreading him all game Seems like a pointless question when the thread consensus was calling for a check on kita.
Also, please click on this for context:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21138271
Discussion around this post gives me pause.
Thrawn initially says "lol" at the notion that Kush faked his claim, then seems to come around to kita being scum, then wants to nuke poofter in a very nonchalant, non-committal way.
This kind of brings me back to his read on poofter:
Currently, poof looks scummier than me, but thrawn's day1 read of poof outweighs everything else. Why was this not the case when the nuke was up for targeting? Why is it reasonable that for Day2 its reasonable to consider poof for scum but Day3 poof's Day1 play trumps everything else?
On April 06 2014 15:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont remember if i've played with mafia hopeless. i do remember playing with town hopwless, and most of the time I am very very certain about him being mafia at some point in the game until I realize that it's hopeless to scum read hopeless for the kinds of things that town hopeless is capable of saying
so it's based on past experience. i basically just gave up and decided that scummy hopeless doesn't equal a scum hopeless... which is a lesson i've had to learn over and over again.
and I was sheeping rayn a little
Maybe I jogged his memory, but thrawn was pretty quick to recall the details of how he told me that I got angry in LXIII and had to coach me (in the qt that I wasnt even reading at the time) that I should look sadder
This post made me sketchy on thrawn, and only recently do I have some proof that he was (kind of?) lying.
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I leave this game in austin's capable beak. Roleblock thrawn and hope kp is not factional. Good luck, I wont bother doing anything else.
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On April 10 2014 04:00 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I leave this game in austin's capable beak. Roleblock thrawn and hope kp is not factional. Good luck, I wont bother doing anything else. I hope this is a mafia surrender
you'd like that wouldnt you. If I find out you are scum, "excuses" are my new policy lynch.
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