EPTThrawn I'd love to hear your answers to this too. I'll do mine as well.
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Thrawn I'd love to hear your answers to this too. I'll do mine as well. | ||
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Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there. Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him. Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you. JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. | ||
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On April 01 2014 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote: why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) | ||
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On April 01 2014 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. I don't think the case against you is terrible. You were on my radar earlier but have mostly fell off since I feel like kita scumslipped about the 2 of us being town earlier. And yeah I talked to him alot about aslam and I think his stance there is pretty awful. I have no idea why anyone would think slam is town @ this point. So JJD I'm curious did you think I was town before kita made his "scum slip"? I'm confused by your wording. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight. I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today. The biggest thing about rayn right now is how sure he is. I know that even with the case I have made, I'm not completely confident. He is sharing his reads with certainty with no evidence that he has looked at my past mafia games or questioned me at any point prior to me presenting the case. The biggest thing to address for him regarding my alignment is the shadow connection that I tried to make. Yet rather than suggesting that I tried to duplicate the town meta so that he would develop a town read on me, he ignores it completely. Onto hopeless: + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 21:50 Hopeless1der wrote: nothing personal slam  ##Vote: Alakaslam On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote: because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now. On March 30 2014 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote: whered you go kita? do i need to go through the motions of "totes serious voting" to get a response? I didn't really think too much of the post that Toad/Foolishness pointed out. Hopeless shows signs of guilt with his slam vote. As a town player, I'd expect annoyance from slam's play, yet this comes off as slightly apologetic. His defense of rayn at the start I found scummy and these posts sound as if he is writing them as mafia to sound town, but I admit that is a weak line of reasoning here. These posts seem like the ideal mafia scenario if rayn is indeed town, which would be opportunistic from his perspective. He makes the assumption that if rayn flips town, I must be mafia. This is scummy because up until this point, he hasn't hinted at having a mafia read on me or having a problem with my case. In fact, he defends me explaining how I could coast along with the slam lynch. So there is a gap in logic here if he would be so open to my death. At first, I really thought that rayn and hope could be scum buddies. rayn exploded with anger about Toad's post. He then showed a defeated attitude, as if he had no choice but to vote hope for an incredibly, incredibly weak reason. As buddies, he would have to anticipate a huge wagon on hope at that point and I wasn't feel the sentiment at that time. Since then it seems less likely that they are both mafia, with a shifting read on hope to town from rayn and an attack on rayn from hope after my case. I would say that hope is scummy to me, but the discussion about the town vs town is all speculative, pre-flip analysis, which I'd want to avoid. The biggest point is how open he would be to see me die to enforce the 1v1 trade, without making any argument as to why we must be of opposite alignments. There wasn't enough here to make me move off of rayn here. I'd like to do vivax/djo next and see if austin's points have any merits. austin himself I've ignored for the most part and I'll likely continue to do so until a red flag pops up. Thrawn this is the scumslip that JJD is thinking he found. Basically kita saying he knows me and JJD are both town is the assumption for JJD's claim. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia. this is the other "slip" that JJD found btw. He pointed it out in the first post not sure which slip you meant thrawn I was assuming the 2nd one but this is the other one DJO was referring to that JJD referenced. | ||
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On April 01 2014 18:31 Djodref wrote: I think this one is hardly relevant The one you quoted above is thoughBut both of these posts shows that JJD is actively looking and paying attention to potential scumslips, which is rather a townie thing to do. What do you think about this poof ? So I come from video mafia and slips like that happen quite a lot and are actually probably 80% town that just are trying to talk things out and say something wrong. So for me I don't look for slips like that. Also people who jump on slips are mafia like 70% of the time plus (these numbers are super arbitrary but basically a majority of the time from video mafia slips are made by town and pointed out by mafia because they push an easy mislynch and look really bad) so my first inclination is actually to think JJD is more mafia for pointing them out. However, I'm aware some of the things from video mafia to forum don't translate very well so maybe the reverse is true here. Like if everyone in this thread posted "omfg JJD so town hes looking for slips" then I'd be willing to say that hes town too because I don't know the culture but for me the fact hes looking for slips is more of a mafia thing. | ||
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Gum please speak at some point that would be amazing. @everyone, who do you think would use the extra vote that occurred on rayn and why? There is basically a confirmed vote manipulation mechanic no one is claiming it and it was used to lynch a town blue so like no way I can see its town sided role. Also before the night ends I think everyone putting in a top 2 town/scum reads (and including Slam is automatic bullshit) would be really useful to pigeon hole people who might be converted to scum in the night. Refusal to do this will be looked upon by me as scummy. | ||
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My first thought on no deaths was a save but if we're looking at a team that can only convert and not kill that most likely means were running around with more than just 1-2 mafia imo. They would need a more realistic number to start with I feel like if they can only convert or not kill. Possibly something along the lines of they get a kill or a conversion? Or one night kill one night conversion could be possible no? I think in all worlds someone likely is mafia now that wasn't before and you guys should have put your reads in Like I suggested in my post it could have given us valuable information and pigeon hole mafia into who they must select from and leave us with good info for future days if we can get a scum flip. Again This invention sounds fun I want to know more!!! | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:22 thrawn2112 wrote: i did WE GOT EM BOYS! nice job austin on the find. | ||
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JJD I really want to know about your invention please stop by and indulge us.... Slam do you have any insight like did you get notified of receiving something? | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: My invention has nothing to do w/ my role. I got an unexpected PM saying I received it. Basically I can shoot my nuke @ anyone and they will get hit @ the end of the phase ignoring medics and vets. It doesn't specify day or night so I think I can shoot it during the day. I assume whoever gave it to me, named it that to entice me to use it on slam so I don't waste any time talking about lynching him so I'm pretty sure that's what I'm gonna do unless someone has an objection. If I'm allowed to post the exact PM I got then I will. Interesting so you received it. So there is like a gunsmith in the game? I don't think its best for your gift giver to claim cause they could be an easy conversion and since there was a no kill last night we might be looking at conversions only or like i said earlier every other night so a medic might not be guaranteed. Then again we might have just someone who got an awesome save and there was a conversion. But I think a Slam shot isnt an awful Idea. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote: Halfway around, but just discovered U.R.F. mode on LoL. This is very town.  | ||
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My top candidate is still Vivax as I pointed this out during the night he nudged along/buried rayn but voted on Slam instead. That post is below (I don't know how to link to a post yet cause I'm a n00b Can someone tell me for future reference?) + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 07:40 Tehpoofter wrote: I understand that he hasnt been super lurky my biggest concern was that he made a huge post on rayn that to me seemed like he was burying the case a townie made when I first read it. My problem with this and why I think its burying is because his point about how rayn switched on read left out two posts that basically shows the transition: This one is him still being scummy on me but he agrees some of my argument isn't bad just that I'm drawing bad conclusions based on other people's reads. Then this one a couple posts later in his filter This comes between the two quotes he showed. so the answer was there if he read the filter... like rayn did transition from scummy (although he never voted me so not THAT scummy) to well his conclusions are bad to maybe he is town and hes new. So vivax makes his post saying it was scum instantly to brave town when really the information was there. I can easily see scum doing something like this to bury someone because unless you read rayn's filter or remembered that little one line post (like i did) you would have no reason to doubt that was the case. It could be lazy town play because he didn't read the thread or didnt read the whole filter but seems scummy to me. (I screwed up the bolding thing but the parts I'm talking about in the quotes I tried to underline sorry I'm bad at quoting multiple posts) As for other possibilities who were on Slam were JJD and DJO I'm going to reread their filters to see if they pushed on rayn at all. For now: [b]## vote Vivax | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well I'm hoping that kita gets lynched. I think he's really likely to be scum but like 90%. I probably shouldn't have said confirmed scum but I wanted to let it be known that he's a real strong scumread for me. Slam is 100% not town. Plus, if slam is survivor, I think it's better to take his lynch off the table since votes on or not on him wont tell us as much as votes on or not on Kita. I agree that lynching slam is not a good move because its not alignment indicative to vote on him. I Wouldn't mind the slam shot unless we get something more confirmed. It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing. | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim. I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure. If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote: While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down. agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita | ||
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On April 03 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote: hey tehpoofter! are you around? did you get converted or something? why did you stop playing during D2  I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) | ||
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