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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 10:27 GMT
#2961
Oh i am sorry, the cop in fact COULD vote. rofl.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 12 2014 10:34 GMT
#2962
seriously though, everything you say about balance is invalid.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2014 10:36 GMT
#2963
I didn't follow the game but it looks pretty meh that there is 1 scummer that can't communicate with the other 2 scummers. It's just strange to do something like that.

If it would be like in Sicilian mafia in which there are 7 or so scummers and there are 3 scummers in a QT and 4 scummers in a QT then I would somewhat see it could be "cool".

1/3 scums not in scumQT is kinda uncool.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2014 10:37 GMT
#2964
Not talking about any balance. Just about the coolness level.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 10:43 GMT
#2965
On March 12 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
seriously though, everything you say about balance is invalid.

Well i suggest you try playing a game like this.

Hell the host can make me an unkillable observer cop so i can just give reads and scum need to guess which guy that would be, individually.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 10:44 GMT
#2966
For example from what yamato said he caught Grack purely because he was in fact not in the game.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 12 2014 10:49 GMT
#2967
fwiw, I figured that the message was likely from somebody out of game on the first one. From the way it talked it didn't fit any player in the game, plus the clear lack of emotional involvement.

I just didn't mention it because, well if scum go off in search of the cop, and maybe do retarded NKs trying to bluesnipe, it's all fine by me.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 11:18:02
March 12 2014 11:05 GMT
#2968
On March 12 2014 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
seriously though, everything you say about balance is invalid.

Well i suggest you try playing a game like this.

Hell the host can make me an unkillable observer cop so i can just give reads and scum need to guess which guy that would be, individually.

I've played mafia in games the host blatantly admitted were town-favoured (Death Note) and won anyway. One of my scumbuddies was a traitor I could not talk to or recruit...

If this game did have imbalance, it certainly wasn't serious. The fact that no-one is really backing you up suggests others don't really think so either.

edit: perhaps if it needed to be tweaked at all, it could have been allowed for you to send a message to scumQT like Hari could message town. That might have been logical.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 12 2014 11:19 GMT
#2969
I don't see any reason why Rayn shouldn't be allowed to communicate in the scumqt though. Balance seems like it'd be fine if that were allowed. His role and seldon's role even eachother out, and then town has one medic for an 11v3 setup with some mason groups. Seems fair.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 11:27 GMT
#2970
If i could access scum QT and Hari Seldon was one of the players in the game i think it would be fair.

Not being able to communicate is the biggest imbalance in mafia game for scum.

Also marv, think about it, what if you had been Hari Seldon without mafia knowing it. You would have totally caught me on D1. Because as scum you are supposed to evaluate what you can get away with based on who the players are. I didn't know i was playing against yamato, why should i assume so? Also not being in game gives you an edge over other people because you can just tell what you see, you don't have to think about if you get lynched or if people believe you or not. You don't have to defend yourself in any case. You can just tell what you think.

Because i was playing against people in the game i wanted to see what this Sheldon guy does on N1, to get clues on who they are and from there on HOW TO DISCREDIT them. I made a plan, and i think it could have won us the game. Except that it would not because the Sheldon guy was not in the game. So we were TOTALLY an uninformed minority, whih in my opinion is NOT balanced.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 11:31 GMT
#2971
Also i think the scum extra vote should cancel town extra vote (make it so that Sheldon moves his vote). Otherwise it's nothing but a proof that there is a scum role that can fuck with the Sheldon guy, which in fact helps the town...
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 15:15:04
March 12 2014 15:12 GMT
#2972
On March 12 2014 20:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i think the scum extra vote should cancel town extra vote (make it so that Sheldon moves his vote). Otherwise it's nothing but a proof that there is a scum role that can fuck with the Sheldon guy, which in fact helps the town...


i say it's GOOD for scum that town learns that they can't always trust seldon

like that's the main thing you aren't understanding about your role. even if it's blatantly obvious that a seldon vote is supposed to help scum, that still helps you destroy seldon's credibility
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 15:15 GMT
#2973
How do you suggest i should have proceeded to do it this game so that it's good for scum given that i thought he was someone in the game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 15:23 GMT
#2974
Like you can't just say "wow you are so bad you should have done something".
I am perfectly capable of admitting i am wrong if i am in fact wrong and someone can tell me why. But given the information and the tools i had i do not see how i could have done anything that does not hurt my team in the long run.
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
March 12 2014 15:24 GMT
#2975
What's the re playability of this setup thrawn?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 12 2014 15:26 GMT
#2976
On March 13 2014 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How do you suggest i should have proceeded to do it this game so that it's good for scum given that i thought he was someone in the game?


yeah i will concede that i probably should have told you that. (actually the original version of your role PM contained a copy of seldon's role PM, but I decided it was probably to much info for you to have.) however i wouldn't say it's unreasonable for you to be able to guess because people in the game and in the obs qt were able to figure out what was going on.

and no, the game probably isn't balanced if i were to have rng'd everything because the average scum player probably isn't capable of using the mule's abilitties effectively. i specifically gave you the mule role because i thought you'd be able to use it more effectively than anyone else in the game. same goes for the seldon role.

also I think some of your frustration at your loss needs to be placed where it deserves... on your teammates who did absolutely nothing for the majority of the game.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 12 2014 15:26 GMT
#2977
On March 13 2014 00:24 Balla24 wrote:
What's the re playability of this setup thrawn?


pretty much none lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 12 2014 15:27 GMT
#2978
On March 13 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you can't just say "wow you are so bad you should have done something".
I am perfectly capable of admitting i am wrong if i am in fact wrong and someone can tell me why. But given the information and the tools i had i do not see how i could have done anything that does not hurt my team in the long run.


as per my last post, yeah i probably would at least tell you seldon is a non player if i were to do it again. but i don't think it's as hard to figure out as you're saying, because several others were able to

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 12 2014 15:28 GMT
#2979
Well idk, maybe it's my fault because i just couldn't assume there would be another player who is not really in the game because i think it's just completely BS.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2014 15:29 GMT
#2980
rayn is always mafia when it is the most fucked up mafia setup.

It is known.

I gave him a scumread for it in Suspicion mafia but the set up was not crazy enough. Evul scummers lying and stuff.
I had a good night of sleep.
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